Guns Everywhere

[mackie1]

Here's my .22 "AR-15":



It's semi auto and I've got a 50 round drum magazine on the way.

Or how about this:



12 gauge, semi auto and completely UK legal.

As for a total ban in the USA. It's completely unworkable and would likely result in some form of civil war.
If you were going to compensate people then it'd also cost in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

Edited by mackie1 on Tuesday 29th April 10:25

[croyde]

Another anomaly. In the UK you are allowed bigger magazines than the US.

BTW imagine turning up at the Squire's pheasant shoot with that AK

[Lost soul]

croyde said:

Another anomaly. In the UK you are allowed bigger magazines than the US.

BTW imagine turning up at the Squire's pheasant shoot with that AK

I thought there was a 3 round limit on pump shot guns in the UK

[croyde]

Not sure about shotguns but you can have large magazines and even drums on rifles, well the .22 ones.

[mackie1]

Lost soul said:

I thought there was a 3 round limit on pump shot guns in the UK

On a shotgun certificate, yes. If held on a FAC then capacity is unlimited and you can also use solid slugs.

Most clay grounds will only allow you to load 2 at any one time though.

[Pommygranite]

mackie1 said:

If you were going to compensate people then it'd also cost in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

Edited by mackie1 on Tuesday 29th April 10:25

And another problem with the US - why would anyone need to be compensated?!

[mackie1]

Because you're taking away their legally held and often quite expensive property? As another poster mentioned, it cost the UK £2bn to buy back a relatively small number of handguns.

[Clivey]

Pommygranite said:

And another problem with the US - why would anyone need to be compensated?!

Oh that's just great. - Take away legitimately-owned firearms and leave the owners out of pocket plus, if they live in a more remote region, unable to defend themselves or hunt.

What else would you like to ban whilst you're at it?

[smack]

croyde said:

Another anomaly. In the UK you are allowed bigger magazines than some States in the US.

Plenty of Republican States that you can get anything you want.

[Pommygranite]

Clivey said:

Pommygranite said:

And another problem with the US - why would anyone need to be compensated?!

Oh that's just great. - Take away legitimately-owned firearms and leave the owners out of pocket plus, if they live in a more remote region, unable to defend themselves or hunt.

What else would you like to ban whilst you're at it?

I never said that. I said dont sell any more new guns.

Also, why has everyone in America 'got to defend themselves'? Oh yeah, thats right, from all the responsible law abiding citizens with guns

[mackie1]

So would all existing guns remain legal to possess? Could old guns be sold? Given away? What about ammunition? Would you ban commercial sale of that too? Would people still be able to make their own?

[Corpulent Tosser]

Pommygranite said:

I never said that. I said dont sell any more new guns.

Also, why has everyone in America 'got to defend themselves'? Oh yeah, thats right, from all the responsible law abiding citizens with guns

More likely to protect themselves from the scrotes with illegally held firearms, ban all firearms and only criminals have them.

[unrepentant]

Rovinghawk said:

The ban on legitimate handguns has not prevented the use of illegal ones- it's fundamental to the concept of illegal firearms that laws against them don't affect their use. All a ban does is cost an awful lot of money to get rid of the guns that aren't the real problem.

That's not true. Just about every mass shooting here has been carried out with legally held weapons.

[unrepentant]

Corpulent Tosser said:

I am a firm supporter of gun control, but I also think responsible law abiding citizens should be able to decide for themselves if they want to own a gun.

Define responsible law abiding citizen.

Most professional people I know want nothing to do with guns and would vote for a ban tomorrow given the opportunity. They are certainly in favour of much stricter controls. The people who I know who revel in their gun ownership are pretty much all people that I'd rather had no access to any weapons whatsoever.

[rpguk]

Pesty said:

Yes I read about that Would you like to wager on how many of those were legally owned T party types getting their gun off or respec issues at the projects?

I have no idea, do you?

However I thought it relevant when the past two weekends have seen dozens of shootings with almost a dozen fatal when you're holding up Chicago as a beacons of firearm legislation!

[Clivey]

Corpulent Tosser said:

More likely to protect themselves from the scrotes with illegally held firearms...

Plus, depending on where you are, the various species of dangerous animals that don't take kindly to you accidentally bumping into them.

Corpulent Tosser said:

ban all firearms and only criminals have them.

[Pommygranite]

Corpulent Tosser said:

ban all firearms and only criminals have them.

But arent most current mass killings perpetrated by people without criminal/low level records? Take away the opportunity effect.

[mackie1]

Pommygranite said:

But arent most current mass killings perpetrated by people without criminal/low level records? Take away the opportunity effect.

But mass killings account for only a tiny fraction of all killings. Something like 0.1%. Terrible but statistically insignificant.

[paranoid airbag]

croyde said:

You can. The Colt M4 is available to buy for anyone with FAC. It will only fire .22 rimfire but it is semi auto. Amazingly it can be had new for around £500.

Other AR type rifles firing the same round .223 as the one pictured can be had but in bolt action single fire only.

You can buy AK47s converted to single fire. All legal in the UK.

Out of interest - is there any simple and reliable (no microchips etc) way to limit the rate of fire of a semi-auto to, say, 1-2 rounds/sec? (i.e. without converting to a manual action). As a technical rather than political question.

[mackie1]

You could probably implement some sort of damper that could control the rate at which the bolt moves forward. Or maybe something like a UK-legal lever-release but the release is automatic but delayed.