NHS RECRUITEMENT POLICY

[mrpurple]

iphonedyou said:

mrpurple said:

Sorry I am confused..you stated the 1 person you met disabused me....by doing so you made it your argument......

disabuse
ˌdɪsəˈbjuːz/
verb
past tense: disabused; past participle: disabused

1.
persuade (someone) that an idea or belief is mistaken.
"he quickly disabused me of my fanciful notions"
synonyms: disillusion, undeceive, correct, set right/straight, open the eyes of, enlighten, reveal the truth to, wake up, disenchant, shatter the illusions of, make sadder and wiser

I am happy to be proven wrong providing it can be substantiated, but you don't seem to want or be able to do that. Fine way for a legal expert to behave IMHO, but that is your choice i suppose.

ps It does seem others have other views and opinions that I am currently taking on board and may even end with me posting an acceptance of being wrong.

I'd imagine longblackcoat has taken exception to your starting a thread with no evidence, then waiting for him and others to post evidence to state that you're wrong.

With respect, you should have included evidence backing your assertion in the original post.

In hindsight you are probably right although based on current personal knowledge and few up to date links exist.

[blindswelledrat]

mrpurple said:

Someone close to me spent a long time in India on a recruitment drive a few years ago, her successor is now doing exactly the same in Portugal, nowhere else. It may well be this is an isolated decision and that other trusts are recruiting elsewhere in the world and will be happy to admit I am wrong if so.

That's fair enough. That wasn't clear in your OP. Is this person the only person who does her job in that trust? Or could she have colleagues who are doing the same elsewhere?

mrpurple said:

Putting the issue of why overseas recruitment is needed at all, If I am correct then why have not continue to advertise / recruit the best from wherever they are in the world and not just EU countries?

Again just a guess but I suspect they do. Perhaps they advertise as normal to whoever may apply, and when there is a shortfall of applicants then they will select a destination to do a recruitment drive? I suspect the selection of any destination takes into account qualifications etc?

[Bill]

Economic migrants come here when it suits them. The euro zone is buggered, the pound is relatively weak against the Oz and NZ dollar. In the recent past European nurses wouldn't consider working in the UK because it wasn't worth it. Now it is and it has the added bonus of the NHS not having to pay for expensive visas and work permits or travel.

ETA I know two hospitals local to us have recently had recruitment drives in Italy and Spain.

Edited by Bill on Thursday 24th April 13:15

[mrpurple]

P-Jay said:

I'm only guessing, but the Wife's a Nurse and knows lots of other Nurses from all over the globe.

It's not some clandestine policy change to bring in Nurses with from certain places and exclude others to meet any quotas or anything like that.

I'd guess it's all about effective use of budget - you could go setting your stall out in Aus and NZ, but their economy barely hit a hiccup through the recession so UK wages don't seem as good as they were pre-08 so you could spend £X on advertising poorly paid jobs (by comparison) in a rainy little island about as far away from their friends and family you can get, or set your stall out in the newest parts of Europe where a UK nurses wages looks like a lottery win.

Point taken on Aus & NZ. What about India?

[mrpurple]

blindswelledrat said:

mrpurple said:

Someone close to me spent a long time in India on a recruitment drive a few years ago, her successor is now doing exactly the same in Portugal, nowhere else. It may well be this is an isolated decision and that other trusts are recruiting elsewhere in the world and will be happy to admit I am wrong if so.

That's fair enough. That wasn't clear in your OP. Is this person the only person who does her job in that trust? Or could she have colleagues who are doing the same elsewhere?

mrpurple said:

Putting the issue of why overseas recruitment is needed at all, If I am correct then why have not continue to advertise / recruit the best from wherever they are in the world and not just EU countries?

Again just a guess but I suspect they do. Perhaps they advertise as normal to whoever may apply, and when there is a shortfall of applicants then they will select a destination to do a recruitment drive? I suspect the selection of any destination takes into account qualifications etc?

The only person recruiting for this particular area of work and was directed solely & specifically towards Portugal nowhere else. But this after lack of success recruiting in the UK to be fair.

[mrpurple]

Bill said:

ETA I know two hospitals local to us have recently had recruitment drives in Italy and Spain.

Edited by Bill on Thursday 24th April 13:15

In which case this shows it is EU wide and not just Portugal...still would like to know why not India, which has historically been used, notwithstanding others experience of a recent Filipino nurse.

[Bill]

mrpurple said:

Point taken on Aus & NZ. What about India?

Are Indian nurses better than Portuguese? (Genuine question btw, I have no idea.) Or did we used to look in India because it was cheapest?

Much as it would be great if the NHS was searching the world for the best staff I suspect money is the main driver.

[mrpurple]

Bill said:

mrpurple said:

Point taken on Aus & NZ. What about India?

Are Indian nurses better than Portuguese? (Genuine question btw, I have no idea.) Or did we used to look in India because it was cheapest?

Much as it would be great if the NHS was searching the world for the best staff I suspect money is the main driver.

Contrary to what others may think that is exactly the sort of reply I would have liked. I don't know the answer myself, but if it can be proven that it is now cheaper to recruit the same quality, experience and skills from the EU than worldwide then that is a good enough reason for me and even............wait for it......... a good enough reason not to recruit elsewhere in the world.

Why we should need to do so is another matter entirely but will leave that one to others.