Discussion
goldblum said:
I live in 'The North' and don't know anyone who wants or is in favour of this service. In fact if this line ever opens, and I hope to God it doesn't, if I ever have to use the service it will cost me more and actually take me longer to get to the big s
thole known as the capital.
thole known as the capital.Fittster said:
Birmingham, Bristol, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Nottingham, and Sheffield county council
Go-HS2 a group comprising Centro, Birmingham City Council, Birmingham Chamber of Commerce, Birmingham Airport and the NEC Group.
The Scottish Government
The North East Chamber of Commerce and the Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce.
Are there enough people from "the north" in that post for you?Go-HS2 a group comprising Centro, Birmingham City Council, Birmingham Chamber of Commerce, Birmingham Airport and the NEC Group.
The Scottish Government
The North East Chamber of Commerce and the Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce.
And why do you say that it will cost more and take longer to get to London after it is built? Do you think that high speed trains run slower than ordinary trains, and/or that greater capacity and therefore more competition increases prices?
What's it like on your planet? What colour are the clouds?
rs1952 said:
And why do you say that it will cost more and take longer to get to London after it is built? Do you think that high speed trains run slower than ordinary trains, and/or that greater capacity and therefore more competition increases prices?
The London train from Macclesfield takes 2hrs 10/20 minutes. The HS2 will only go from Crewe and will shave 20 minutes off that time. Guess how long it takes to get from Macclesfield to Crewe? 50 minutes. Only a naive fool would believe it will be cheaper than the existing service.rs1952 said:
What's it like on your planet? What colour are the clouds?
Well, Earth is a stable planet with fairly clement weather occupied by the human race and it's part of a minor solar system near the Milky Way. You must visit sometime.RichB said:
It's attitudes like that that give other people from the north of the county a bad name. 
Give over. Anyway I can't see why when most of them share the same view as me. It works like this: If people are asked if they'd like something and are offered take a hand in its inception they gain responsibility and empowerment from the act. This is the democratic process, or due process. If instead policies they don't want or don't need are foisted on them by a weak government seeking to shore up support by embarking on an unnecessary engineering project that costs money the country can't afford, will tear up parts of the countryside untouched for hundreds of years and scar the land for hundreds of miles and above all their complaints are ignored then they really don't like it. Believe it or not the majority of people don't live in London, don't want to live in London, when (if) they visit London they don't think it's a fantastic buzzing melting pot of different cultures - more a horrendously busy, noisy, expensive, hot dump populated by foreigners which seems a separate country in its own right: They'd rather stick pins in their eyes than live anywhere near the sthole.rs1952 said:
goldblum said:
I live in 'The North' and don't know anyone who wants or is in favour of this service. In fact if this line ever opens, and I hope to God it doesn't, if I ever have to use the service it will cost me more and actually take me longer to get to the big sthole known as the capital.
thole known as the capital.Fittster said:
Birmingham, Bristol, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Leeds, Liverpool, Manchester, Newcastle, Nottingham, and Sheffield county council
Go-HS2 a group comprising Centro, Birmingham City Council, Birmingham Chamber of Commerce, Birmingham Airport and the NEC Group.
The Scottish Government
The North East Chamber of Commerce and the Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce.
Are there enough people from "the north" in that post for you?Go-HS2 a group comprising Centro, Birmingham City Council, Birmingham Chamber of Commerce, Birmingham Airport and the NEC Group.
The Scottish Government
The North East Chamber of Commerce and the Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce.
And why do you say that it will cost more and take longer to get to London after it is built? Do you think that high speed trains run slower than ordinary trains, and/or that greater capacity and therefore more competition increases prices?
What's it like on your planet? What colour are the clouds?
As for taking longer that's a difficult one. It depends where the journey starts and ends so both sides will be able to give examples.
Not particularly for nor against HS2, being selfish it's a bit of an irrelevancy. The money has many more worthwhile infrastructure projects that would benefit imo.
The anti-London slant of his post is possibly symptomatic of the wider issue seen in, for example the various politics threads, that the nation seems to be splitting into London vs the rest. That's another discussion though.
goldblum said:
RichB said:
It's attitudes like that that give other people from the north of the county a bad name.
Give over. thole full of knife wielding football supporting scum and Newcastle is full of drunken girls spewing up outside nightclubs. On the other hand not being like you I don't harbour small-minded views about anywhere outside my home town. I've had some great visits to those cities and readily see the good in places rather than focus on the squalid parts. As for the rest of your rant; no one suggested you should want to live in London, heaven forbid, on the contrary please stay away. As for telling me to believe that not everyone lives in London, surprising as it may seem to you, my knowledge of the UK is pretty good and I do appreciate that only 12-15million of the 70 (or so) million population of Great Britain are in London – not that has anything to do with the discussion because trains run in two directions. Thanks for being the northerner who lives up to the Sun stereotype, I suppose there’s always one, please excuse me if I ignore you, I wouldn’t want to taint my view of the north. 
RichB said:
Why should I "give over"? Just because you hold such parochial, bigoted views that doesn't mean everyone's like you. Yes I was born in London but that doesn't make me vehemently detest anywhere north of Watford Gap. I could easily suggest that Manchester is a dirty sthole full of knife wielding football supporting scum and Newcastle is full of drunken girls spewing up outside nightclubs. On the other hand not being like you I don't harbour small-minded views about anywhere outside my home town. I've had some great visits to those cities and readily see the good in places rather than focus on the squalid parts. As for the rest of your rant; no one suggested you should want to live in London, heaven forbid, on the contrary please stay away. As for telling me to believe that not everyone lives in London, surprising as it may seem to you, my knowledge of the UK is pretty good and I do appreciate that only 12-15million of the 70 (or so) million population of Great Britain are in London – not that has anything to do with the discussion because trains run in two directions. Thanks for being the northerner who lives up to the Sun stereotype, I suppose there’s always one, please excuse me if I ignore you, I wouldn’t want to taint my view of the north.
Bwaaaaaaa.thole full of knife wielding football supporting scum and Newcastle is full of drunken girls spewing up outside nightclubs. On the other hand not being like you I don't harbour small-minded views about anywhere outside my home town. I've had some great visits to those cities and readily see the good in places rather than focus on the squalid parts. As for the rest of your rant; no one suggested you should want to live in London, heaven forbid, on the contrary please stay away. As for telling me to believe that not everyone lives in London, surprising as it may seem to you, my knowledge of the UK is pretty good and I do appreciate that only 12-15million of the 70 (or so) million population of Great Britain are in London – not that has anything to do with the discussion because trains run in two directions. Thanks for being the northerner who lives up to the Sun stereotype, I suppose there’s always one, please excuse me if I ignore you, I wouldn’t want to taint my view of the north. As a matter of fact parts of Manchester are still dirty s
tholes, and Newcastle is full of drunken girls over weekends. It's great. 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-30177419
"The boss of HS2, the high-speed train project, has insisted that services will operate from Euston.
Minutes from a recent meeting of rail bosses suggested plans to expand the central London station had been put on hold because of disagreements about the cost and design.
It led to fears that the controversial line might terminate at Old Oak Common in west London.
But Sir David Higgins has told the BBC that will not happen.
"It's simply about capacity. There's not the level of connectivity at Old Oak Common that you'd get at Euston, which will eventually have Crossrail 2, but also because of the various tube lines that connect with the mainline trains," he said.
Sir David also denied that the project was slipping behind schedule: "We haven't stopped anything and haven't delayed a thing."
"The boss of HS2, the high-speed train project, has insisted that services will operate from Euston.
Minutes from a recent meeting of rail bosses suggested plans to expand the central London station had been put on hold because of disagreements about the cost and design.
It led to fears that the controversial line might terminate at Old Oak Common in west London.
But Sir David Higgins has told the BBC that will not happen.
"It's simply about capacity. There's not the level of connectivity at Old Oak Common that you'd get at Euston, which will eventually have Crossrail 2, but also because of the various tube lines that connect with the mainline trains," he said.
Sir David also denied that the project was slipping behind schedule: "We haven't stopped anything and haven't delayed a thing."
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