Rolf Harris - trial starts today

[Frik]

You said "It's shortly going to be illegal to fondle a girls bottom. Think about it. This is a law that is going to be forced on us by do gooders and frustrated old women."

I have thought about it; it's illegal already:

Sexual Offences Act 2003 said:

Sexual assault

A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally touches another person (B),
(b)the touching is sexual,
(c)B does not consent to the touching, and
(d)A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.

[Oakey]

cardigankid said:

I'm not talking about illegal stuff. If he did that (including I would say 'tongue kissing' 11 year olds having seen this morning's Metro) then he gets whats coming to him, though I still struggle to understand why no action was taken by them or their families earlier. It may have been a different world, but it wasn't that different. I was there. I'm talking about girls of 16 and over, particularly those who have only come forward now.

PS I 'tongue kissed' a 15 year old girl when I was 17. Does that make me a criminal? I don't remember her fighting me off mind. Should I be worried about her reporting me to the fuzz, supported by her mum and a load of her mates, saying that she 'froze' that she was too scared to do anything.

Edited by cardigankid on Tuesday 20th May 08:53

Do you? Really? Are the concepts of fear and intimidation really that hard to grasp?

[superkartracer]

cardigankid said:

It's shortly going to be illegal to fondle a girls bottom. Think about it.

You can't just grab a girls arse cus you feel like it . How would you feel if some hairy shirt-lifter grabbed your arse ?

[andy_s]

Oakey said:

Do you? Really? Are the concepts of fear and intimidation really that hard to grasp?

Star-struck teenager, regrets, compensation - these are some other concepts.

Let's see what the jury say.

[cardigankid]

Oakey said:

cardigankid said:

I'm not talking about illegal stuff. If he did that (including I would say 'tongue kissing' 11 year olds having seen this morning's Metro) then he gets whats coming to him, though I still struggle to understand why no action was taken by them or their families earlier. It may have been a different world, but it wasn't that different. I was there. I'm talking about girls of 16 and over, particularly those who have only come forward now.

PS I 'tongue kissed' a 15 year old girl when I was 17. Does that make me a criminal? I don't remember her fighting me off mind. Should I be worried about her reporting me to the fuzz, supported by her mum and a load of her mates, saying that she 'froze' that she was too scared to do anything.

Do you? Really? Are the concepts of fear and intimidation really that hard to grasp?

With respect I think you are talking bks. Based on your argument everyone should be scared to do anything. I am not talking about assaulting random females on the street. If a sixteen year old girl gets an approach she doesn't want, even from a celeb, she should know what to do about it. Most of the ones I knew could sort you out, I'm sure. A few of them gave me my marching orders, then again, a few didn't.

[greygoose]

cardigankid said:

Oakey said:

cardigankid said:

I'm not talking about illegal stuff. If he did that (including I would say 'tongue kissing' 11 year olds having seen this morning's Metro) then he gets whats coming to him, though I still struggle to understand why no action was taken by them or their families earlier. It may have been a different world, but it wasn't that different. I was there. I'm talking about girls of 16 and over, particularly those who have only come forward now.

PS I 'tongue kissed' a 15 year old girl when I was 17. Does that make me a criminal? I don't remember her fighting me off mind. Should I be worried about her reporting me to the fuzz, supported by her mum and a load of her mates, saying that she 'froze' that she was too scared to do anything.

Do you? Really? Are the concepts of fear and intimidation really that hard to grasp?

With respect I think you are talking bks. Based on your argument everyone should be scared to do anything. I am not talking about assaulting random females on the street. If a sixteen year old girl gets an approach she doesn't want, even from a celeb, she should know what to do about it. Most of the ones I knew could sort you out, I'm sure. A few of them gave me my marching orders, then again, a few didn't.

Some girls might have the confidence to tell a celeb to get lost, some may be overawed, some may be shy and inexperienced and not realise what was going on, some may be embarrassed and think it was their fault. People are different and how they react will vary as a result.

[italianjob1275]

Rolf's been in court describing his early career, auditions at the beeb, describing the didgeridoo, a spot of singing etc.

Can anyone tell me the point of this? Is it in anyway relevant?

If a plumber is on trial does the barrister ask him about plumbing? Get him to describe the workings of a combI boiler?

[kev1974]

Don't think plumbers ever had crowds of teenage groupies, or are in the public eye for 40-50 years, or generally face a trial now based on stuff that is alleged to have happened so many years ago in a quite different era. Presumably a number of the jury are considerably younger than he is so have no recollection of what the years being discussed were like. So, only fair to let him have his say.

[P-Jay]

italianjob1275 said:

Rolf's been in court describing his early career, auditions at the beeb, describing the didgeridoo, a spot of singing etc.

Can anyone tell me the point of this? Is it in anyway relevant?

If a plumber is on trial does the barrister ask him about plumbing? Get him to describe the workings of a combI boiler?

The prosecution spent a morning describing a completely legal and consensual relationship between two adults as some sort of 'smoking gun' at the start of proceedings in an effort to prove that RH was attracted to an 18 year old women and by association would be capable of sexually assaulting children.

This case cannot be based on physical evidence because there isn't any because of the time involved so it hinges on the 'character' of the main players - so silly at it seems, everyone has to prove they're a decent sort.

[Derek Smith]

italianjob1275 said:

Rolf's been in court describing his early career, auditions at the beeb, describing the didgeridoo, a spot of singing etc.

Can anyone tell me the point of this? Is it in anyway relevant?

If a plumber is on trial does the barrister ask him about plumbing? Get him to describe the workings of a combI boiler?

There was another comedian who played to the stands, or rather the jury. It worked in his/her case it would appear despite what the CPS evidently thought was overwhelming evidence. I'm not sure that it will work with Harris.

[gjf764]

I've just read on twitter that he was sketching during previous evidence.

The sketches were taken off him, maybe a show of arrogance? Or he's just a bit of a mad old duffer?

[Welshbeef]

Not sure how many charges from different women are against him but clearly 2 have been shown to be total fallacy.


One in South of England apparently around the time of the landing on the Moon nd said he had big hairy hands. However Rolf was in Oz filming a TV show he also put both hands up hair free - awaiting judge to dismiss this and also want to know why this was allowed to be put against him only at court rather than cleared previously? Is that individual now going to be challenged on her account.

Another case again clearly proved to be lies is an event in Cambridge "its a knock out" - turns out he only went to that city a few years ago and at the dates of the claim he was in Canada (with newspaper clippings along with other evidence to back it up). Judge needs to kick this one out of court now too. But again the individual who made this claim which is false what happens to her?


If he did what is said about him tongue kissing 11 year olds hands under towels etc clearly he deserves everything coming his way. I can understand why a child wouldn't speak up during or after such a horrific crime - for the sale of justice and other genuine crimes I do hope none of the accusers are fabricating the truth (I am assuming none are BTW)

[zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz]

If the claims were so demonstrably false following the prosecution case, the defence could gave applied to have those charges dismissed before the defence case begins.

They don't appear to have succeeded if they made the application to do this. Is there any evidence they actually made an application to do this?

They obviously weren't as good at running a defence as you.

[Welshbeef]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:

If the claims were so demonstrably false following the prosecution case, the defence could gave applied to have those charges dismissed before the defence case begins.

They don't appear to have succeeded if they made the application to do this. Is there any evidence they actually made an application to do this?

They obviously weren't as good at running a defence as you.

Lol no idea how court processes work but given two of the accusers have had evidence provided which makes their claims appear to be untrue/mistaken and if mistaken the police need to find who the individual was that molested them.

[andy_s]

Derek Smith said:

There was another comedian who played to the stands, or rather the jury. It worked in his/her case it would appear despite what the CPS evidently thought was overwhelming evidence. I'm not sure that it will work with Harris.

Maybe the thus far risible prosecution testimony will.

[Jasandjules]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz said:

They obviously weren't as good at running a defence as you.

Or, they have left these witnesses in so they can subsequently start attacking the other witnesses in terms of being mistaken about their recollections...... It may be tactical. I may be giving them too much credit, I know not.

[Gareth79]

Regardless of the outcome there has been enough admitted to trash his previously flawless reputation forever :/

[anonymous-user]

Purity14 said:

It isn't looking good for Rolf now.

How come ?

[Alucidnation]

Jimboka said:

How come ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2642737/Rolf-Harriss-daughter-accused-sexually-molesting-friend-state-furiously-banged-head-against-wall.html

Edited by Alucidnation on Thursday 29th May 17:35

[KTF]

Alucidnation said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2642737/Ro...

Edited by Alucidnation on Thursday 29th May 17:35

Banging your head against the wall is always the best way to react to 'news' I find.