Big Mouth Strikes Again - Charles compares Putin to Hitler

[MarshPhantom]

Bluebarge said:

MarshPhantom said:

I think the ludicrous comparison with Hitler will be doing Putin more of a favour.

But it's not ludicrous. Putin's tactics on the Ukraine mirror those of the Nazis in the Sudetenland and elsewhere. Get down to your library and read some history.

Unlike Hitler Putin is re-occupying land that was Russian until about 20 years ago.

I still don't see the comparison frankly.

[Bluebarge]

MarshPhantom said:

Unlike Hitler Putin is re-occupying land that was Russian until about 20 years ago.

I still don't see the comparison frankly.

60 years ago

20 years ago was when Russia signed a treaty guaranteeing the territorial integrity of the Ukraine. Which they have now broken.

Even that doesn't explain why Russia is trying to destabilise Eastern Ukraine, or sent troops into Georgia in 2008 having first issued Russian passports to tens of thousands of Georgian citizens which they then claimed to be "protecting".

All straight from the Nazi playbook. Read some history - then you'll understand.

[league67]

The same 30c reason dilution Charles?




Well, it must be true then.

[league67]

Bluebarge said:

MarshPhantom said:

Unlike Hitler Putin is re-occupying land that was Russian until about 20 years ago.

I still don't see the comparison frankly.

60 years ago

20 years ago was when Russia signed a treaty guaranteeing the territorial integrity of the Ukraine. Which they have now broken.

Even that doesn't explain why Russia is trying to destabilise Eastern Ukraine, or sent troops into Georgia in 2008 having first issued Russian passports to tens of thousands of Georgian citizens which they then claimed to be "protecting".

All straight from the Nazi playbook. Read some history - then you'll understand.

Bluebarge,

Crimea was part of Russia (together with the rest of Ukraine) until 1991. So the statement of 'about 20 years ago.' is correct.

[IroningMan]

Ozzie Osmond said:

IroningMan said:

Because our Oxbridge-educated Bar-qualified establishment elite do such a fine job...don't they.

They seem to be doing rather better than the "inherited privilege" ones from Eton.

Do be brief.

[raftom]

Let's see. Starting with a basic definition of fascism, for example:

http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm

The Putin team currently gets pretty much 12 out of 14 (the unions and the intellectuals/arts are still sightly off their radar). And it will get worst soon, with guys like this as their main ideologues, with ample media presence, access to Kremlin and his books being used in the official military curriculum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin .

[Derek Smith]

What's not to like?



They don't come much straighter than him.



D'you know, I rather fancy him. In a manly, positive sort of way.

[league67]

Derek Smith said:

What's not to like?



They don't come much straighter than him.



D'you know, I rather fancy him. In a manly, positive sort of way.

All that without picture of him wrestling bear? C'mon.

[jmorgan]

Don't forget his black belt in origami.

[Bluebarge]

league67 said:

Bluebarge,

Crimea was part of Russia (together with the rest of Ukraine) until 1991. So the statement of 'about 20 years ago.' is correct.

No, it was part of Russia from the late 18th century until 1954, when it was transferred to the Ukraine. Ukraine and Russia were both parts of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics until 1991. the USSR and Russia are, and never were, the same thing.

[MarshPhantom]

Bluebarge said:

league67 said:

Bluebarge,

Crimea was part of Russia (together with the rest of Ukraine) until 1991. So the statement of 'about 20 years ago.' is correct.

No, it was part of Russia from the late 18th century until 1954, when it was transferred to the Ukraine. Ukraine and Russia were both parts of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics until 1991. the USSR and Russia are, and never were, the same thing.

Same difference.

[Bluebarge]

MarshPhantom said:

Same difference - if you are a total cretin who has no interest in educating himself.

EFA

[Thorodin]

Although Charles has no formal political responsibilities, and therefore should not voice a political opinion, he unarguably does hold a position of considerable influence as, currently, representative of the Queen. Wars have been started on the back of rather stupid outbursts by irresponsible but privileged holders of lesser office. He should just shut up. His father is enough example of a big gob to be going on with.
There are exceptionally complicated diplomatic events taking place to try to mitigate a series of human disasters on these events without unqualified idiots (I mean unqualified in diplomacy - not being an idiot) muddying the waters.

Edited by Thorodin on Wednesday 21st May 16:51

[XCP]

Ozzie Osmond said:

Charlie Chuckles left school with two A-levels in History and French, grades B and C.

His son Prince "Rodney Trotter" Harry left Eton with two A-Levels in Art and Geography, grades B and D.

No wonder they're all an embarrassment to the country, not just Charlie's brother Andrew Duke of York who was reported by the United States Ambassador to Kyrgyzstan, discussing bribery in Kyrgyzstan and the investigation into the Al-Yamamah arms dealing.

They are a complete shower yet Brits keep lapping it up. Bring on the Republic.

I wouldn't belittle anyone of his age based on their A level results. Good grief!

[Zeeky]

Bluebarge said:

MarshPhantom said:

I think the ludicrous comparison with Hitler will be doing Putin more of a favour.

But it's not ludicrous. Putin's tactics on the Ukraine mirror those of the Nazis in the Sudetenland and elsewhere. Get down to your library and read some history.

What is ludicrous is comparing the two based on one thing that they have in common. Annexation isn't solely a product of Nazi Germany.

It would be just as helpful to compare the Russians with the Israelis. Or even with the Ireland being made part of the UK.

[hidetheelephants]

Thorodin said:

His father is enough example of a big gob to be going on with.

He's an old geezer who says what he likes, most of the time I suspect he's just bored and trying to get something other than glazed rictus smiles out of the endless lines of people he shakes hands with; I can't think of any time he's ever spoken on any subject that even peripherally had a diplomatic sensitivity. Brian on the other hand is just a gimp who won't stick to the safe areas of talking to plants and slagging architects.

[steviegunn]

MarshPhantom said:

Unlike Hitler Putin is re-occupying land that was Russian until about 20 years ago.

I still don't see the comparison frankly.

Some of the land Hitler took back was land that was part of the German Empire until after WW1 which was less than 20 years before he started taking it back.

[petemurphy]

Thorodin said:

Although Charles has no formal political responsibilities, and therefore should not voice a political opinion, he unarguably does hold a position of considerable influence as, currently, representative of the Queen. Wars have been started on the back of rather stupid outbursts by irresponsible but privileged holders of lesser office. He should just shut up. His father is enough example of a big gob to be going on with.
There are exceptionally complicated diplomatic events taking place to try to mitigate a series of human disasters on these events without unqualified idiots (I mean unqualified in diplomacy - not being an idiot) muddying the waters.

Edited by Thorodin on Wednesday 21st May 16:51

unqualified? i can think of noone better qualified hes been trained since birth to represent the uk and has met more people of influence than any politician

[nyxster]

Should have compared him to Napoleon. Short arsed little thug.

Good for chuck. Freedom of speech etc.

[Thorodin]

petemurphy said:

unqualified? i can think of noone better qualified hes been trained since birth to represent the uk and has met more people of influence than any politician

Take your point. However the training has been largely wasted (at great expense - ours rather than his). Given his ridiculous niavete in making highly personal phone calls on a mobile phone, to his obvious failure to grasp the seriousness of the events in Ukraine and the ongoing terrible fate of innocent ordinary people as a result, his unguarded comments to a complete stranger show a total lack of diplomatic nouse.

The possibility of escalation to a much larger conflict I'm sure is appreciated, on here at least, and you might have thought that he was privy to rather specialist advice from F&C Office updates. How much behind the scenes work do you reckon he has wrecked?

In international diplomacy saving face is paramount and likening a Russian to A.H. is tantamount to a challenge to a duel. He may be 'a good bloke' but his position as the Queen's representative reflects the precarious position he is in and ought to be a brake on his garrulousness.