Big Mouth Strikes Again - Charles compares Putin to Hitler

[nyxster]

Since Putin referred to Britain as a silly little island nobody cares about i i very much doubt vlad cares what chuck thinks.

[Ozzie Osmond]

nyxster said:

Since Putin referred to Britain as a silly little island nobody cares about i i very much doubt vlad cares what chuck thinks.

Quite. He's probably falling about laughing that Charlie-boy has p155ed in his own wellingtons.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

simoid said:

So because Britain did some nasty things a century or so ago, our royals should put up and shut up about Russian land grabs and what not today?

He is welcome to his view point, but on a state visit, representing the UK, STFU would be a much better idea, or give up the tax payer funded jollies, and he is welcome to sprout whichever view he likes.

The UK would never create a fictional excuse to invade another country, 45 minutes, WMD, would they ? Do not remember him talking out publicly against that.

Pot, kettle, black, arrange as required.

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 21st May 20:47

[Thorodin]

nyxster said:

Since Putin referred to Britain as a silly little island nobody cares about i i very much doubt vlad cares what chuck thinks.

Exactly! He couldn't care less what he thinks. But what he says is rather more important in face-saving terms. Putin's remarks about UK are probably accurate in Russian terms and for him to say that incurs no diplomatic repercussions so that proves him right.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

Bluebarge said:

Erm, many of whom they killed themselves, including the many Soviet ethnic minorities who preferred to fight for the Germans than tolerate further Soviet repression and murder, including the Soviets' starving to death over a million Ukrainians in the 1930's, those killed by punishment battalions, those Soviet PoW's who were then sent to labour camps for having surrendered and those sent to attack the German lines with no weapons.

You need to read a lot more history before you weigh in with your "opinions".

Revisionist history at its best, Perhaps you need to take of your bias goggles and read some more.

The bulk of the casualties on the Eastern front were involved in the fighting between Russian and German troops, below is a little taster for you.

Stalin was a loon, and killed millions of his own people and a good chunk of his own officer corp, but the bulk of the casualties on the Eastern Front from the 22 June 1941 were from directly or indirectly the war being fought.

Some conservative Russian casualty figures.

1.2 Million killed Battle of Stalingrad
1.1 million killed Battle of Moscow
300 000 killed Battle of Rzhev
300 000 killed Battle of Berlin
400 000 killed Battle of Kursk


You need to read a lot more history before you weigh in with your "opinions"

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 21st May 20:45

[Einion Yrth]

simoid said:

So because Britain did some nasty things a century or so ago, our royals should put up and shut up about Russian land grabs and what not today?

No, it's quite simply that, being as dumb as a stump, Chuck should avoid any utterance that requires more than the intelligence of a marine mollusc.

[XCP]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Revisionist history at its best, Perhaps you need to take of your bias goggles and read some more.

The bulk of the casualties on the Eastern front were involved in the fighting between Russian and German troops, below is a little taster for you.

Stalin was a loon, and killed millions of his own people and a good chunk of his own officer corp, but the bulk of the casualties on the Eastern from the 22 June 1941 were from directly or indirectly the war being fought.

Some conservative Russian casualty figures.

1.2 Million killed Battle of Stalingrad
1.1 million killed Battle of Moscow
300 000 killed Battle of Rzhev
300 000 killed Battle of Berlin
400 000b killed Battle of Kursk

You need to read a lot more history before you weigh in with your "opinions"

Stalin was responsible for at least as many Soviet deaths as Hitler was I believe. I think that is the point.

[Foppo]

How many Germans where killed against the Russians? Always surprises me that Hitler made the same mistake as Napoleon against the Russians.The winter and the Russians destroying their own city's.Charles remark is out of order but he is allowed to make it.

[Corpulent Tosser]

I am not a royalist, I have had little time for any royals, though I have had an admiration for Princess Ann as she is a straight talker, Charles I have considered as a bit of a wet blanket, however, I agree with him, I am glad he expressed his opinion on Putin's recent actions.

[Corpulent Tosser]

I am not a royalist, I have had little time for any royals, though I have had an admiration for Princess Ann as she is a straight talker, Charles I have considered as a bit of a wet blanket, however, I agree with him, I am glad he expressed his opinion on Putin's recent actions.

[Pappa Lurve]

MarshPhantom said:

Same difference.

Wow! Probably worth actually understanding history and the differences between the USSR, Russia, the Warsaw Pact countries and other related organisations, and then understanding a bit of history and politics Poland, Hungry, Germany,the Baltic states etc.

The parallels between Hitler and Putin are totally clear. As are the differences. But to simply assume that as Putin does not appear to be killing people on the same level as the Nazis did, sometime after the relevant period, would seem to suggest that the only thing the Nazis did was the Holocaust.

I tend to think that if one wishes to understand and comment on the world, knowing history should be a legal requirement!

[DeltonaS]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

The UK would never create a fictional excuse to invade another country, 45 minutes, WMD, would they ?

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 21st May 20:47

Irak, becuase a certain Texas cowboy said Irak had a chemical weapon programm.

[QuantumTokoloshi]

XCP said:

Stalin was responsible for at least as many Soviet deaths as Hitler was I believe. I think that is the point.

I would agree, but considering the condescending, snide and self congratulatory tone of the post, a quick correction was required.

[mad4amanda]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

What a complete moron, Saying something that idiotic about a country which lost over 35 million people in the WWII, without that huge sacrifice of blood, the UK would most likely be speaking German, just like "English Chas" great grandfather in fact !

There goes our next head of state, heaven help us.

One of the big players in the Ukraine conflagration is a Neo-Nazi Ukrainian nationalist organisation called Svoboda, previously called the Social-National Party of Ukraine, who happen to be opposing Putin.



Nice little symbol they got there.

And you call Him a Moron?

Its well documented that Charles` great grandfather (George V) could not speak German despite several attempts by his Grandmother (Victoria)to have him taught.
I would agree with Charles` assessment of Putin; in that there are very worrying parallels with the 1930s, but I think he wants to be a modern Stalin. Stalin was responsible for a similar number of deaths to Hitler depending on chosen source and so I think we should be concerned.

And I know who I would prefer as my head of state.

[DJRC]

I think Chuckles is bang on the ball. There are quite clear cut history lessons going on and Putin has finally been called on it. The FCO should back him up and tell Putin if you dont like it then dont act like it.

[jmorgan]

I notice that RT news are waiting for Putin to tell them what to say.

Edit. Unless of course they do not care. Looking at the site I am missing it I think.

Edited by jmorgan on Thursday 22 May 11:35

[Joey Ramone]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

What a complethe moron, Saying something that idiotic about a country which lost over 35 million people in the WWII, without that huge sacrifice of blood, the UK would most likely be speaking German, just like "English Chas" great grandfather in fact !

There goes our next head of state, heaven help us.

One of the big players in the Ukraine conflagration is a Neo-Nazi Ukrainian nationalist organisation called Svoboda, previously called the Social-National Party of Ukraine, who happen to be opposing Putin.



Nice little symbol they got there.

Talking of fascism, (and ignoring for the moment that such groups proliferate in contemporary Russian politics) the Soviet Union was allied to Nazi Germany by the 1939 Ribbentrop-Molotov pact. It used that pro Fascist alliance to invade Poland in conjunction with German forces in 1939,subjugating the population of the eastern part of that country, particularly the Jewish portion which, thanks to Russia's lovely history of anti-semitism and pogroms, came as no surpise to anyone. They subsequently executed vast numbers of the Polish officer corps in a manner not unfamiliar to German Einsatzgruppen, and shipped the remainder of the defeated Polish army to the Gulags. (It also used that alliance to, absolutely unprovoked, invade Finland). On the way back into Poland in the summer of 1944, Soviet troops were ordered to halt outside Warsaw in order to enable the SS to destroy the Uprising, so ridding Stalin of elements that might be inclined to resist Soviet control. And then they proceeded to rape their way across East Germany. Prisoners of War were routinely executed, or worked to death in the Siberian labour camps. So as far as I'm concerned, the Soviets were morally reprehensible in most of what they did, no matter what casualties they suffered (nowhere near 35m,nearer 20m).

As for the very dull accusations that the UK invaded Iraq on trumped up charges, that pales in comparison to the habitual use of such methods by the Soviets (Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Afghanistan, the Baltic states etc)

[Digga]

Joey Ramone said:

They subsequently executed vast numbers of the Polish officer corps in a manner not unfamiliar to German Einsatzgruppen

True. It's not commonly known that. I only know of it because I live just around the corner to this:



The Katyn Memorial: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

[audidoody]

QuantumTokoloshi said:

Revisionist history at its best, Perhaps you need to take of your bias goggles and read some more.

The bulk of the casualties on the Eastern front were involved in the fighting between Russian and German troops, below is a little taster for you.

Stalin was a loon, and killed millions of his own people and a good chunk of his own officer corp, but the bulk of the casualties on the Eastern Front from the 22 June 1941 were from directly or indirectly the war being fought.

Some conservative Russian casualty figures.

1.2 Million killed Battle of Stalingrad
1.1 million killed Battle of Moscow
300 000 killed Battle of Rzhev
300 000 killed Battle of Berlin
400 000 killed Battle of Kursk


You need to read a lot more history before you weigh in with your "opinions"

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 21st May 20:45

That's a VERY conservative estimate considering it is widely accepted that around 11 million Russian soldiers were killed in WWII (plus the 10 million or so civilians).

[Mr GrimNasty]

I can't see the issue, as loads of commentators in the press have pointed out, Putin's actions have pretty much mirrored Hitler's strategy (so far). Charles, as much as I think he is an idiot, has merely echoed that fact.