ebola, anyone else mildly terrified?

[otolith]

anonymous said:

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Of course it does. It's the illness it causes when it infects a woman, or "carrier" as they are technically known.

[JagLover]

Bill said:

The panic is going to cause far more harm to the west than the disease itself.

Even if it does reach the UK casualties will probably be at the worst in the thousands rather than anything more. But massive economic damage will be caused as areas are quarantined and travel suspended.

It is that assessment that makes me question why it is apparently "too difficult" to bar those who have visited the affected countries from visiting the UK. We are not only talking about the public health risk but massive economic damage.

[anonymous-user]

otolith said:

anonymous said:

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Of course it does. It's the illness it causes when it infects a woman, or "carrier" as they are technically known.

Of course!!

My apologies

[philv]

Dan_1981 said:

Isolated with the passengers onboard!

Regardless of how hard it is to catch, or anything else - would you want to be on that plane?


There'll be a riot if they hold it there for too long.

But of course this cant happen because of exit screening.
Exit screening is enough apparantly. Ahum.

I wonder what procedures are in place to screen off a possible case like this in tne plane? Besides 130+ people cowering together in tne cockpit.

[plasticpig]

mcgandalf said:

The passenger is reported to have 'a fever and shivers'.

Unless there is an awful lot we're not being told about here, what are the chances that this passenger does not have mild man flu?

We all get flu.

You can suffer those symptoms from caffeine, nicotine or heroin withdrawal among others. No infection required.

[B17NNS]

mcgandalf said:

The passenger is reported to have 'a fever and shivers'.

Unless there is an awful lot we're not being told about here, what are the chances that this passenger does not have mild man flu?

We all get flu.

Each year on average between 5% to 20% of the US population will catch flu. That's a lot of people on a lot of planes with fever and shivers. It's going to be a long winter.

[Jimbeaux]

croyde said:

paranoid airbag said:

The grauniad making new grounds in horsehit (warning, clickbait):

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/...

Apparently, we're afraid of people with ebola because they're black. Not because they have ebola as we thought.

I might have to consider extending the sites covered by kittenblock.

Just read that. Is she for fekin' real?

That is simply too stupid to warrant comment; unfkingbelievable.

[Muncher]

Has anyone considered the possibility that some terrorist organisations may try to use ebola to target western populations? I mean it probably isn't the hardest thing in the world to get hold of right now and nor would it be that difficult to pass it to a someone that would spread it around a major western city?

[Sway]

benjj said:

With respect to the comments above re Hazmat/Bio Level 4:

Conducting investigations with Level 4 pathogens isn't as simple as getting kitted out in a fancy suit, it is a whole set of protocols.

I'm no expert but from reading up a bit (inc The Hot Zone of course!) just putting a Level 4 suit on a single person is the work of about 3-4 people. Then there are containment protocols, issues with doors/seals, decontamination issues, disposal of kit etc.

Giving some nurse a spacesuit in Texas isn't going to help anything. He/she may be able to operate quite safely individually but what about everyone else?

One can easily imagine some moronic Americans all getting suited up and high fiving in the changing room after work while then take everything off - then another person touches the suit and the whole thing was for nothing.

Like the footage of the 'preparation exercise' - chap getting out of suit, being helped by an assistant. Gloved assistant pulls the suit down, then holds the jean clad leg with the same glove while pulling the suit off the ankle...

[XJ Flyer]

mcgandalf said:

The passenger is reported to have 'a fever and shivers'.

Unless there is an awful lot we're not being told about here, what are the chances that this passenger does not have mild man flu?

We all get flu.

It might help if we knew all the travel details of the passenger in question before this point.For some reason that information seems to be being kept quiet.

[Jimbeaux]

So the nurse calls to say her fever is at 99. The idiot at the CDC reads a chart and says congratulations, you are good up until 100! So, the fact that this nurse was one caring for a person who recently exploded from Ebola didn't maybe give her and extra half degree as a bonus prize?? Common sense has taken a direct hit in his nutsack. The CDC head comes on TV saying she should never have gotten on the plane. Thank you Sherlock; however, since it is your people making dumbassed mistakes like this, and you are in charge of them, it is time for you to go to the house and let the incompetents in charge of you find someone else.

[AshVX220]

Muncher said:

Has anyone considered the possibility that some terrorist organisations may try to use ebola to target western populations? I mean it probably isn't the hardest thing in the world to get hold of right now and nor would it be that difficult to pass it to a someone that would spread it around a major western city?

Yep, Tom Clancy - Executive Orders.

[philv]

I think its more tne scenario than whether tne passenger has it.
As this scenario will likely occur.

Im wondering how theyve prepared for an actual case or the mass hysteria on board even if it isnt.

Hell, im hysterical sitting in my own kitchen, let alone on a plance with a susoected ebola case.

[Bill]

JagLover said:

Even if it does reach the UK casualties will probably be at the worst in the thousands rather than anything more. But massive economic damage will be caused as areas are quarantined and travel suspended.

It is that assessment that makes me question why it is apparently "too difficult" to bar those who have visited the affected countries from visiting the UK. We are not only talking about the public health risk but massive economic damage.

You'd have to check every single incoming passport for visas from affected countries, which would be a monumental task and would probably cause large airports to grind to a halt within hours.

[RobGT81]

Apparently, the other passengers are off the aircraft. Are they free to roam about then? What about the infected one, chainsaw? Head shot? Nuke the entire site from orbit?

[Jimbeaux]

The nurses first saw Mr. Duncan without PPE because he was just another patient; there was no immediate reason to suspect Ebola, they were not privvy to where he had been. In the other cases, the patients came in as known Ebola patients. If that is how this was spread, there is hope. If we can stop the stupidity, AKA what my last post decribes, we may be able to isolate and let this thing die on the vine. However, if we continue to refuse a travel ban, then it will not. Temperature checks at the airport are useless for a number of reasons already discussed.

[croyde]

AshVX220 said:

Yep, Tom Clancy - Executive Orders.

Tom has probably given too many good ideas to the Jizzlamists. He wrote a book that had the enemy taking over a shopping mall and murdering people long before it happened in real life.

In fact so did another writer, Stephen Hunter.

[Bill]

Jimbeaux said:

So the nurse calls to say her fever is at 99. The idiot at the CDC reads a chart and says congratulations, you are good up until 100! So, the fact that this nurse was one caring for a person who recently exploded from Ebola didn't maybe give her and extra half degree as a bonus prize?? Common sense has taken a direct hit in his nutsack. The CDC head comes on TV saying she should never have gotten on the plane. Thank you Sherlock; however, since it is your people making dumbassed mistakes like this, and you are in charge of them, it is time for you to go to the house and let the incompetents in charge of you find someone else.

And... They sent the patient away with antibiotics at first and when he came back two days later didn't isolate him immediately. They then didn't get the nursing staff suited up until the diagnosis was confirmed a further two days later.

They fked up big time, and the medical director (IIRC) has made a public apology.

[croyde]

The Daily Mash says:

NOBODY at Heathrow looks fit and well, according to doctors screening for Ebola.

Virologist Mary Fisher said: “Lingering in an international hub of misery causes sweatiness, paranoia and the irrational compulsion to buy a massive Toblerone. So far everyone looks contagious.”

Quarantined Wayne Hayes said: “I felt fine at first, then corralling my screaming kids as my flight departure time receded further into the future kicked off a migraine and body aches.

“I tried to alleviate the boredom by having an all-day mixed grill, which made my stomach malfunction.

“Now they’re not letting me back into the main terminal to buy a Telegraph – just, I must stress, to get the free bottle of water.”

Security chief Nikki Hollis said: “Give it a fortnight for the media to stop caring about this and we’ll be back to treating everyone like drug mules.”

[XJ Flyer]

RobGT81 said:

Apparently, the other passengers are off the aircraft. Are they free to roam about then? What about the infected one, chainsaw? Head shot? Nuke the entire site from orbit?

The first two options aren't really going to solve a potential infection issue.

Taking out Spain would at least create the win win situation of solving some of the EU's financial problems.Things could get awkward in that regard in the case of the US though.