ebola, anyone else mildly terrified?
Discussion
plasticpig said:
otolith said:
Send them. Send them all. With any luck, most of them won't come back.
https://www.change.org/p/dr-daniel-kertesz-who-end...
Can we send them some crystal healers and magnetic healing bracelet advocates as well? Perhaps they can swap healing techniques with the local witch doctors.https://www.change.org/p/dr-daniel-kertesz-who-end...
Back On Topic and my first real contribution to the discussion at hand (Other than the Clancy stuff).
If this gets to the UK< I think we'll be in a far worse state to deal with it than the US. We're a far more densely populated nation for a start.
And as has been mentioned, if it evolves into an airbourne virus with a much lower mortality rate, we'd be in even deeper s
t I think.
This winter will be a nightmare for people with Flu.
If this gets to the UK< I think we'll be in a far worse state to deal with it than the US. We're a far more densely populated nation for a start.
And as has been mentioned, if it evolves into an airbourne virus with a much lower mortality rate, we'd be in even deeper s
t I think.This winter will be a nightmare for people with Flu.
AshVX220 said:
Back On Topic and my first real contribution to the discussion at hand (Other than the Clancy stuff).
If this gets to the UK< I think we'll be in a far worse state to deal with it than the US. We're a far more densely populated nation for a start.
And as has been mentioned, if it evolves into an airbourne virus with a much lower mortality rate, we'd be in even deeper st I think.
This winter will be a nightmare for people with Flu.
I don't know, the Yank in charge of the CDC will take some beating for being denseIf this gets to the UK< I think we'll be in a far worse state to deal with it than the US. We're a far more densely populated nation for a start.
And as has been mentioned, if it evolves into an airbourne virus with a much lower mortality rate, we'd be in even deeper s
t I think.This winter will be a nightmare for people with Flu.
I have WAY more confidence in the manner Nigeria handled their outbreak of 20 people who got infected than the Uk (or US). In total they interviewed/followed up face to face 18,000 people to contain it. They reacted quickly and very decisively. NO BL**DY WAY WILL THE NHS do the same. Without a dedicated task force nipping outbreaks as they appear (like Nigeria) we won't stand a chance of containing it.
The amount of money that is going to be lost as the economy stalls/falls in wide spread panic - I just don't understand why the government haven't setup a team to tackle this head on.
The amount of money that is going to be lost as the economy stalls/falls in wide spread panic - I just don't understand why the government haven't setup a team to tackle this head on.
Bill said:
TTmonkey said:
It's Monday morning.
So you're sat on the plane (transatlantic flight) next to some person that's acting just a little strange, Perhaps they have a cold. It's flu season, every other person in the northern hemisphere has a bit of a snuffle. Perhaps their just nervous flyers. You see them on every flight, very tense, especially on take off.
Later in the flight, They ask you to let them out of their window seat so that they can go to bathroom.
They're gone for a few minutes, but soon return, looking a bit refreshed.
As they pass you in your aisle seat they put their hand on your seat arm to steady themselves.
What you don't know is that they've got a bit of a dicky tum too. Never mind, they washed their hands, right?
You settle down for the rest of your long flight. The person next to you sleeps the whole way.
A week later the government announces that a nurse that reported sick has tested positive for Ebola. The nurse was on your flight. You feel ok though.
How confident do you feel now? In the cold light of day, do you still believe the authorities when they say its very hard to catch? And when there's a knock on the door, and there's a guy in a bio suit, who tells you you'll be just fine. You're going to believe what you've been told over the last few weeks, aren't you....? After all the person on the plane didn't puke on you..... There was no excrement anywhere, was there? They didn't show signs of dying from Ebola, did they?
I don't need to be reassured by the government, I can read and understand the research and ignore the scare mongering.So you're sat on the plane (transatlantic flight) next to some person that's acting just a little strange, Perhaps they have a cold. It's flu season, every other person in the northern hemisphere has a bit of a snuffle. Perhaps their just nervous flyers. You see them on every flight, very tense, especially on take off.
Later in the flight, They ask you to let them out of their window seat so that they can go to bathroom.
They're gone for a few minutes, but soon return, looking a bit refreshed.
As they pass you in your aisle seat they put their hand on your seat arm to steady themselves.
What you don't know is that they've got a bit of a dicky tum too. Never mind, they washed their hands, right?
You settle down for the rest of your long flight. The person next to you sleeps the whole way.
A week later the government announces that a nurse that reported sick has tested positive for Ebola. The nurse was on your flight. You feel ok though.
How confident do you feel now? In the cold light of day, do you still believe the authorities when they say its very hard to catch? And when there's a knock on the door, and there's a guy in a bio suit, who tells you you'll be just fine. You're going to believe what you've been told over the last few weeks, aren't you....? After all the person on the plane didn't puke on you..... There was no excrement anywhere, was there? They didn't show signs of dying from Ebola, did they?
ETA if it was as easy to catch as people fear then it would already be vastly worse than it is.
However, within hours, the authorities have confirmed that she was in fact sick before/during travel.
Do you not recognise that sometimes the things that you are told are true at the time they are told to you, but turn out not to be true sometime later?
I'm not saying people are lying, just that they are repeating 'known facts' which are nothing more than 'what we know now/what we knew at the time'. Things change, and I beleive we dont know enough about this virus to make some of the 'cast iron' statements that some people have been making.
TTmonkey said:
Bill said:
TTmonkey said:
It's Monday morning.
So you're sat on the plane (transatlantic flight) next to some person that's acting just a little strange, Perhaps they have a cold. It's flu season, every other person in the northern hemisphere has a bit of a snuffle. Perhaps their just nervous flyers. You see them on every flight, very tense, especially on take off.
Later in the flight, They ask you to let them out of their window seat so that they can go to bathroom.
They're gone for a few minutes, but soon return, looking a bit refreshed.
As they pass you in your aisle seat they put their hand on your seat arm to steady themselves.
What you don't know is that they've got a bit of a dicky tum too. Never mind, they washed their hands, right?
You settle down for the rest of your long flight. The person next to you sleeps the whole way.
A week later the government announces that a nurse that reported sick has tested positive for Ebola. The nurse was on your flight. You feel ok though.
How confident do you feel now? In the cold light of day, do you still believe the authorities when they say its very hard to catch? And when there's a knock on the door, and there's a guy in a bio suit, who tells you you'll be just fine. You're going to believe what you've been told over the last few weeks, aren't you....? After all the person on the plane didn't puke on you..... There was no excrement anywhere, was there? They didn't show signs of dying from Ebola, did they?
I don't need to be reassured by the government, I can read and understand the research and ignore the scare mongering.So you're sat on the plane (transatlantic flight) next to some person that's acting just a little strange, Perhaps they have a cold. It's flu season, every other person in the northern hemisphere has a bit of a snuffle. Perhaps their just nervous flyers. You see them on every flight, very tense, especially on take off.
Later in the flight, They ask you to let them out of their window seat so that they can go to bathroom.
They're gone for a few minutes, but soon return, looking a bit refreshed.
As they pass you in your aisle seat they put their hand on your seat arm to steady themselves.
What you don't know is that they've got a bit of a dicky tum too. Never mind, they washed their hands, right?
You settle down for the rest of your long flight. The person next to you sleeps the whole way.
A week later the government announces that a nurse that reported sick has tested positive for Ebola. The nurse was on your flight. You feel ok though.
How confident do you feel now? In the cold light of day, do you still believe the authorities when they say its very hard to catch? And when there's a knock on the door, and there's a guy in a bio suit, who tells you you'll be just fine. You're going to believe what you've been told over the last few weeks, aren't you....? After all the person on the plane didn't puke on you..... There was no excrement anywhere, was there? They didn't show signs of dying from Ebola, did they?
ETA if it was as easy to catch as people fear then it would already be vastly worse than it is.
However, within hours, the authorities have confirmed that she was in fact sick before/during travel.
Do you not recognise that sometimes the things that you are told are true at the time they are told to you, but turn out not to be true sometime later?
I'm not saying people are lying, just that they are repeating 'known facts' which are nothing more than 'what we know now/what we knew at the time'. Things change, and I beleive we dont know enough about this virus to make some of the 'cast iron' statements that some people have been making.
XJ Flyer said:
TTmonkey said:
Bill said:
TTmonkey said:
It's Monday morning.
So you're sat on the plane (transatlantic flight) next to some person that's acting just a little strange, Perhaps they have a cold. It's flu season, every other person in the northern hemisphere has a bit of a snuffle. Perhaps their just nervous flyers. You see them on every flight, very tense, especially on take off.
Later in the flight, They ask you to let them out of their window seat so that they can go to bathroom.
They're gone for a few minutes, but soon return, looking a bit refreshed.
As they pass you in your aisle seat they put their hand on your seat arm to steady themselves.
What you don't know is that they've got a bit of a dicky tum too. Never mind, they washed their hands, right?
You settle down for the rest of your long flight. The person next to you sleeps the whole way.
A week later the government announces that a nurse that reported sick has tested positive for Ebola. The nurse was on your flight. You feel ok though.
How confident do you feel now? In the cold light of day, do you still believe the authorities when they say its very hard to catch? And when there's a knock on the door, and there's a guy in a bio suit, who tells you you'll be just fine. You're going to believe what you've been told over the last few weeks, aren't you....? After all the person on the plane didn't puke on you..... There was no excrement anywhere, was there? They didn't show signs of dying from Ebola, did they?
I don't need to be reassured by the government, I can read and understand the research and ignore the scare mongering.So you're sat on the plane (transatlantic flight) next to some person that's acting just a little strange, Perhaps they have a cold. It's flu season, every other person in the northern hemisphere has a bit of a snuffle. Perhaps their just nervous flyers. You see them on every flight, very tense, especially on take off.
Later in the flight, They ask you to let them out of their window seat so that they can go to bathroom.
They're gone for a few minutes, but soon return, looking a bit refreshed.
As they pass you in your aisle seat they put their hand on your seat arm to steady themselves.
What you don't know is that they've got a bit of a dicky tum too. Never mind, they washed their hands, right?
You settle down for the rest of your long flight. The person next to you sleeps the whole way.
A week later the government announces that a nurse that reported sick has tested positive for Ebola. The nurse was on your flight. You feel ok though.
How confident do you feel now? In the cold light of day, do you still believe the authorities when they say its very hard to catch? And when there's a knock on the door, and there's a guy in a bio suit, who tells you you'll be just fine. You're going to believe what you've been told over the last few weeks, aren't you....? After all the person on the plane didn't puke on you..... There was no excrement anywhere, was there? They didn't show signs of dying from Ebola, did they?
ETA if it was as easy to catch as people fear then it would already be vastly worse than it is.
However, within hours, the authorities have confirmed that she was in fact sick before/during travel.
Do you not recognise that sometimes the things that you are told are true at the time they are told to you, but turn out not to be true sometime later?
I'm not saying people are lying, just that they are repeating 'known facts' which are nothing more than 'what we know now/what we knew at the time'. Things change, and I beleive we dont know enough about this virus to make some of the 'cast iron' statements that some people have been making.
Imagine such a passenger on a 24hr+ flight around the world. They could be quite ok and significantly symptomatic by the other end.
I agree though, they're playing with fire by taking the risk it poses so liberally.
Dave
Looks like the west could learn a bit from Doctors Without Borders (MSF). 2400 cases treated and 21 medical staff infected with 3000 staff in the region. Considering the conditions they are working in that's pretty good going.
someone mentioned panic buying - not panic buying - started last weekend. Will do some more this weekend.
Im upto about 1 month supply for a family of 5. plus 2x shotguns and upto 600 shells so far...... Plus masks gloves and bleech. About all I can do really. lock the doors aim to get about 3 mth of food in. (variety of long life stuff) Did you know baked beans and sausages have a shelf life of about 18 months !! Kippers about 5 years ! no naked flames allowed.....
Im upto about 1 month supply for a family of 5. plus 2x shotguns and upto 600 shells so far...... Plus masks gloves and bleech. About all I can do really. lock the doors aim to get about 3 mth of food in. (variety of long life stuff) Did you know baked beans and sausages have a shelf life of about 18 months !! Kippers about 5 years ! no naked flames allowed.....
Mr Whippy said:
XJ Flyer said:
TTmonkey said:
Bill said:
TTmonkey said:
It's Monday morning.
So you're sat on the plane (transatlantic flight) next to some person that's acting just a little strange, Perhaps they have a cold. It's flu season, every other person in the northern hemisphere has a bit of a snuffle. Perhaps their just nervous flyers. You see them on every flight, very tense, especially on take off.
Later in the flight, They ask you to let them out of their window seat so that they can go to bathroom.
They're gone for a few minutes, but soon return, looking a bit refreshed.
As they pass you in your aisle seat they put their hand on your seat arm to steady themselves.
What you don't know is that they've got a bit of a dicky tum too. Never mind, they washed their hands, right?
You settle down for the rest of your long flight. The person next to you sleeps the whole way.
A week later the government announces that a nurse that reported sick has tested positive for Ebola. The nurse was on your flight. You feel ok though.
How confident do you feel now? In the cold light of day, do you still believe the authorities when they say its very hard to catch? And when there's a knock on the door, and there's a guy in a bio suit, who tells you you'll be just fine. You're going to believe what you've been told over the last few weeks, aren't you....? After all the person on the plane didn't puke on you..... There was no excrement anywhere, was there? They didn't show signs of dying from Ebola, did they?
I don't need to be reassured by the government, I can read and understand the research and ignore the scare mongering.So you're sat on the plane (transatlantic flight) next to some person that's acting just a little strange, Perhaps they have a cold. It's flu season, every other person in the northern hemisphere has a bit of a snuffle. Perhaps their just nervous flyers. You see them on every flight, very tense, especially on take off.
Later in the flight, They ask you to let them out of their window seat so that they can go to bathroom.
They're gone for a few minutes, but soon return, looking a bit refreshed.
As they pass you in your aisle seat they put their hand on your seat arm to steady themselves.
What you don't know is that they've got a bit of a dicky tum too. Never mind, they washed their hands, right?
You settle down for the rest of your long flight. The person next to you sleeps the whole way.
A week later the government announces that a nurse that reported sick has tested positive for Ebola. The nurse was on your flight. You feel ok though.
How confident do you feel now? In the cold light of day, do you still believe the authorities when they say its very hard to catch? And when there's a knock on the door, and there's a guy in a bio suit, who tells you you'll be just fine. You're going to believe what you've been told over the last few weeks, aren't you....? After all the person on the plane didn't puke on you..... There was no excrement anywhere, was there? They didn't show signs of dying from Ebola, did they?
ETA if it was as easy to catch as people fear then it would already be vastly worse than it is.
However, within hours, the authorities have confirmed that she was in fact sick before/during travel.
Do you not recognise that sometimes the things that you are told are true at the time they are told to you, but turn out not to be true sometime later?
I'm not saying people are lying, just that they are repeating 'known facts' which are nothing more than 'what we know now/what we knew at the time'. Things change, and I beleive we dont know enough about this virus to make some of the 'cast iron' statements that some people have been making.
Imagine such a passenger on a 24hr+ flight around the world. They could be quite ok and significantly symptomatic by the other end.
I agree though, they're playing with fire by taking the risk it poses so liberally.
Dave
superlightr said:
someone mentioned panic buying - not panic buying - started last weekend. Will do some more this weekend.
Im upto about 1 month supply for a family of 5. plus 2x shotguns and upto 600 shells so far...... Plus masks gloves and bleech. About all I can do really. lock the doors aim to get about 3 mth of food in. (variety of long life stuff) Did you know baked beans and sausages have a shelf life of about 18 months !! Kippers about 5 years ! no naked flames allowed.....
FYI bleach is not very good at killing ebola. Im upto about 1 month supply for a family of 5. plus 2x shotguns and upto 600 shells so far...... Plus masks gloves and bleech. About all I can do really. lock the doors aim to get about 3 mth of food in. (variety of long life stuff) Did you know baked beans and sausages have a shelf life of about 18 months !! Kippers about 5 years ! no naked flames allowed.....
I think you will need a lot more than 3 months - more like 3 years!
plasticpig said:
Looks like the west could learn a bit from Doctors Without Borders (MSF). 2400 cases treated and 21 medical staff infected with 3000 staff in the region. Considering the conditions they are working in that's pretty good going.
Wow! those guys are dedicated. Makes me feel a bit wretched to moan at all about my life.plasticpig said:
It appears there wasn't a "protocol breach" at all. It sounds very much like there wasn't a protocol . Plenty of pictures and information now showing up with medical staff not properly kitted up; given the wrong information about face masks. Allegedly the nurses were allowed to treat other patients as well.
In one way... Jesus H. Christ.In another, very unsuprised. This sort of thing happens on average < 1 in 10 years. What politician, particularly in the states, is going to allocate tax money to it?
croyde said:
I panic bought today. Went out to get some milk and saw a 5 for £3 offer on Heinz tin soup. I have a tin of pilchards too.
If you are partial to Heinz products, perhaps you should put in a call to our Secretary of State's wife. She can set you up with all of your stockpiling needs. 
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