ebola, anyone else mildly terrified?
Discussion
It's becoming clear that the Dallas hospital cases resulted from the fiasco that occurred there, now whistleblowers coming forward and saying waste left in corridors, rooms not sterilized, protective clothing with gaps + the fact he wasn't taken seriously as an Ebola patient and in the first instance no protection used.
I would be very surpised if we see more cases like this now that everyone is on alert.
I would be very surpised if we see more cases like this now that everyone is on alert.
Snoggledog said:
Rather sad if that's what the West Africans are really thinking. Are we really disliked that much in that part of the world?
It's only a small minority. Probably the local equivalent of BNP or uneducated people who now have smart phones and can therefore access facebook. Most of the locals do the same thing tell them "Go back to school and STFU!". Sadly about 1/2 the posts are : "May God/Allah protect us". With the response "amen/Ahmeen". Somehow I think they are their own with this. How come the big man gets off the hook when he's responsible for everything? Including creating edible bats that carry diseases.
thehawk said:
It's becoming clear that the Dallas hospital cases resulted from the fiasco that occurred there, now whistleblowers coming forward and saying waste left in corridors, rooms not sterilized, protective clothing with gaps + the fact he wasn't taken seriously as an Ebola patient and in the first instance no protection used.
I would be very surpised if we see more cases like this now that everyone is on alert.
I made a tongue in cheek post yesterday about the Dallas knobbers taking their suits off and then touching them.I would be very surpised if we see more cases like this now that everyone is on alert.
Turns out they have been taking off their suits and then cramming them all together in one locker for the night and then getting them out again in the morning.
What a bunch of f
king retards.benjj said:
I made a tongue in cheek post yesterday about the Dallas knobbers taking their suits off and then touching them.
Turns out they have been taking off their suits and then cramming them all together in one locker for the night and then getting them out again in the morning.
What a bunch of fking retards.
That must be a joke. Oh dear. Head + Sand.Turns out they have been taking off their suits and then cramming them all together in one locker for the night and then getting them out again in the morning.
What a bunch of f
king retards.If that's how the western medical profession are dealing with this, I have but 1 thing left to say...
Keep calm and stockpile.
OK, here is where we stand. The second infected nurse got on a plane because of a CDC cock-up. The 132 on that plane are being tracked. Schools in states where people who she made contact with are closing, etc, etc. The number compounds quickly. IF...any of these people caught this, it will be bad. However, if this understandable over caution proves to be a false alarm, then great. That will mean we have contained this to the late Mr. Duncan and the two nurses. If 20-30 days pass and we get no more, we should be good.
We should be good EXCEPT...that we have no travel ban. Let's break this down:
1) Mr. Duncan was the only person to enter the country with Ebola that was not brought here purposely.
2) The two nurses have Ebola because of Mr. Duncan (along with no protocol training).
3) Mr. Duncan lied on his form and would have passed current screening procedures because his temp. was good at that time.
4) Had flights from that area been banned, it is far less likely that Mr. Duncan would have arrived here.
Who else is going to lie on a form and pass by the laser thermometer?
We should be good EXCEPT...that we have no travel ban. Let's break this down:
1) Mr. Duncan was the only person to enter the country with Ebola that was not brought here purposely.
2) The two nurses have Ebola because of Mr. Duncan (along with no protocol training).
3) Mr. Duncan lied on his form and would have passed current screening procedures because his temp. was good at that time.
4) Had flights from that area been banned, it is far less likely that Mr. Duncan would have arrived here.
Who else is going to lie on a form and pass by the laser thermometer?
benjj said:
TransverseTight said:
That must be a joke. Oh dear. Head + Sand.
If that's how the western medical profession are dealing with this, I have but 1 thing left to say...
Keep calm and stockpile.
'Murcans, innit.If that's how the western medical profession are dealing with this, I have but 1 thing left to say...
Keep calm and stockpile.
Mr Whippy said:
XJ Flyer said:
We wouldn't allow such movement in the case of foot and mouth hotspots in farm livestock so why is it ok in the case of Ebola in people .Perceived financial issues seems to be the driving force in either case.
The FMD is an interesting compare.Many moons ago I ended up putting a map together with appropriate data for that one, with the appropriate zone sizes etc, and from the initial case to the last, the spread and count didn't seem impeded until it'd covered Cumbria and a bit further. It looked just like that scary map in 'Outbreak' where it just arithmetically expands and covers North America.
Individually we're smart, but politicians and groups are tremendously thick and it seems like it's safer logic to respond to what you see, not what could be and most likely will be expected a few weeks or months down the line.
OK it's risky to jump the gun, but conversely if you don't get ahead when you have the chance you'll never have control of it.
Tough decisions all round, but if it does start to get out and about then there won't be much we'll do to really stop it. Maybe slow the rate it does it, but it'll get around.
XJ Flyer said:
Mr Whippy said:
XJ Flyer said:
We wouldn't allow such movement in the case of foot and mouth hotspots in farm livestock so why is it ok in the case of Ebola in people .Perceived financial issues seems to be the driving force in either case.
The FMD is an interesting compare.Many moons ago I ended up putting a map together with appropriate data for that one, with the appropriate zone sizes etc, and from the initial case to the last, the spread and count didn't seem impeded until it'd covered Cumbria and a bit further. It looked just like that scary map in 'Outbreak' where it just arithmetically expands and covers North America.
Individually we're smart, but politicians and groups are tremendously thick and it seems like it's safer logic to respond to what you see, not what could be and most likely will be expected a few weeks or months down the line.
OK it's risky to jump the gun, but conversely if you don't get ahead when you have the chance you'll never have control of it.
Tough decisions all round, but if it does start to get out and about then there won't be much we'll do to really stop it. Maybe slow the rate it does it, but it'll get around.
Jimbeaux said:
OK, here is where we stand. The second infected nurse got on a plane because of a CDC cock-up. The 132 on that plane are being tracked. Schools in states where people who she made contact with are closing, etc, etc. The number compounds quickly. IF...any of these people caught this, it will be bad. However, if this understandable over caution proves to be a false alarm, then great. That will mean we have contained this to the late Mr. Duncan and the two nurses. If 20-30 days pass and we get no more, we should be good.
We should be good EXCEPT...that we have no travel ban. Let's break this down:
1) Mr. Duncan was the only person to enter the country with Ebola that was not brought here purposely.
2) The two nurses have Ebola because of Mr. Duncan (along with no protocol training).
3) Mr. Duncan lied on his form and would have passed current screening procedures because his temp. was good at that time.
4) Had flights from that area been banned, it is far less likely that Mr. Duncan would have arrived here.
Who else is going to lie on a form and pass by the laser thermometer?
Assuming the worse case scenario of the disease being spread to any considerable degree in the states because of the open door travel links with the disease affected areas.I'd guess that would ( rightly ) have the potential to tear the US government and possibly even US society apart along the PC bleeding heart do gooders obviously led by Obama v Republican lines.We should be good EXCEPT...that we have no travel ban. Let's break this down:
1) Mr. Duncan was the only person to enter the country with Ebola that was not brought here purposely.
2) The two nurses have Ebola because of Mr. Duncan (along with no protocol training).
3) Mr. Duncan lied on his form and would have passed current screening procedures because his temp. was good at that time.
4) Had flights from that area been banned, it is far less likely that Mr. Duncan would have arrived here.
Who else is going to lie on a form and pass by the laser thermometer?
www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/16/ebola-republ...
Which still leaves the question of aid workers being all for going to Africa to 'help' but then still being what is effectively a bio weapon risk if/when they inevitably want to be brought home in an infectious state.Supposedly because a US or a UK hospital can 'handle' the disease 'better'.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Friday 17th October 15:45
XJ Flyer said:
Jimbeaux said:
OK, here is where we stand. The second infected nurse got on a plane because of a CDC cock-up. The 132 on that plane are being tracked. Schools in states where people who she made contact with are closing, etc, etc. The number compounds quickly. IF...any of these people caught this, it will be bad. However, if this understandable over caution proves to be a false alarm, then great. That will mean we have contained this to the late Mr. Duncan and the two nurses. If 20-30 days pass and we get no more, we should be good.
We should be good EXCEPT...that we have no travel ban. Let's break this down:
1) Mr. Duncan was the only person to enter the country with Ebola that was not brought here purposely.
2) The two nurses have Ebola because of Mr. Duncan (along with no protocol training).
3) Mr. Duncan lied on his form and would have passed current screening procedures because his temp. was good at that time.
4) Had flights from that area been banned, it is far less likely that Mr. Duncan would have arrived here.
Who else is going to lie on a form and pass by the laser thermometer?
Assuming the worse case scenario of the disease being spread to any considerable degree in the states because of the open door travel links with the disease affected areas.I'd guess that would ( rightly ) have the potential to tear the US government and possibly even US society apart along the PC bleeding heart do gooders obviously led by Obama v Republican lines.We should be good EXCEPT...that we have no travel ban. Let's break this down:
1) Mr. Duncan was the only person to enter the country with Ebola that was not brought here purposely.
2) The two nurses have Ebola because of Mr. Duncan (along with no protocol training).
3) Mr. Duncan lied on his form and would have passed current screening procedures because his temp. was good at that time.
4) Had flights from that area been banned, it is far less likely that Mr. Duncan would have arrived here.
Who else is going to lie on a form and pass by the laser thermometer?
www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/16/ebola-republ...
Which still leaves the question of aid workers being all for going to Africa to 'help' but then still being what is effectively a bio weapon risk if/when they inevitably want to be brought home in an infectious state.Supposedly because a US or a UK hospital can 'handle' the disease 'better'.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Friday 17th October 15:45
Let's remember, six people have been in the U.S. with Ebola, only one has died so far, three appear "cured" or out of danger, and two are newly diagnosed.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 17th October 15:52
Jimbeaux said:
XJ Flyer said:
Mr Whippy said:
XJ Flyer said:
We wouldn't allow such movement in the case of foot and mouth hotspots in farm livestock so why is it ok in the case of Ebola in people .Perceived financial issues seems to be the driving force in either case.
The FMD is an interesting compare.Many moons ago I ended up putting a map together with appropriate data for that one, with the appropriate zone sizes etc, and from the initial case to the last, the spread and count didn't seem impeded until it'd covered Cumbria and a bit further. It looked just like that scary map in 'Outbreak' where it just arithmetically expands and covers North America.
Individually we're smart, but politicians and groups are tremendously thick and it seems like it's safer logic to respond to what you see, not what could be and most likely will be expected a few weeks or months down the line.
OK it's risky to jump the gun, but conversely if you don't get ahead when you have the chance you'll never have control of it.
Tough decisions all round, but if it does start to get out and about then there won't be much we'll do to really stop it. Maybe slow the rate it does it, but it'll get around.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Friday 17th October 15:53
XJ Flyer said:
Jimbeaux said:
XJ Flyer said:
Mr Whippy said:
XJ Flyer said:
We wouldn't allow such movement in the case of foot and mouth hotspots in farm livestock so why is it ok in the case of Ebola in people .Perceived financial issues seems to be the driving force in either case.
The FMD is an interesting compare.Many moons ago I ended up putting a map together with appropriate data for that one, with the appropriate zone sizes etc, and from the initial case to the last, the spread and count didn't seem impeded until it'd covered Cumbria and a bit further. It looked just like that scary map in 'Outbreak' where it just arithmetically expands and covers North America.
Individually we're smart, but politicians and groups are tremendously thick and it seems like it's safer logic to respond to what you see, not what could be and most likely will be expected a few weeks or months down the line.
OK it's risky to jump the gun, but conversely if you don't get ahead when you have the chance you'll never have control of it.
Tough decisions all round, but if it does start to get out and about then there won't be much we'll do to really stop it. Maybe slow the rate it does it, but it'll get around.
Jimbeaux said:
XJ Flyer said:
Jimbeaux said:
XJ Flyer said:
Mr Whippy said:
XJ Flyer said:
We wouldn't allow such movement in the case of foot and mouth hotspots in farm livestock so why is it ok in the case of Ebola in people .Perceived financial issues seems to be the driving force in either case.
The FMD is an interesting compare.Many moons ago I ended up putting a map together with appropriate data for that one, with the appropriate zone sizes etc, and from the initial case to the last, the spread and count didn't seem impeded until it'd covered Cumbria and a bit further. It looked just like that scary map in 'Outbreak' where it just arithmetically expands and covers North America.
Individually we're smart, but politicians and groups are tremendously thick and it seems like it's safer logic to respond to what you see, not what could be and most likely will be expected a few weeks or months down the line.
OK it's risky to jump the gun, but conversely if you don't get ahead when you have the chance you'll never have control of it.
Tough decisions all round, but if it does start to get out and about then there won't be much we'll do to really stop it. Maybe slow the rate it does it, but it'll get around.
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