ebola, anyone else mildly terrified?

[hidetheelephants]

bosshog said:

..praying its the second...

Thing is, as something as deadly as this, surely cost of doing more now outweighs the cost/risk even if nothing too bad comes of it. If they get it wrong it will be total disaster for the Uk and world at large. Its seems such a no brainer for me. I know they spent god knows what on the vaccines for swine flu, which didn't mount to much, but what if it did - they would have save 100,000 of lives. With something as deadly as this I don't get it.

They didn't buy enough for everyone, although I forget exactly what proportion of the population it would theoretically cover. It wasn't a vaccine either, it was that tamiflu bks. Profitable for the maker.

otolith said:

The military must have more people trained and equipped to work safely in a hot environment than anyone else.

Trogging about in a giant green condom and a respirator isn't really the same as dealing with leaky and contagious patients using a barrier protocol.

[Mermaid]

hidetheelephants said:

Trogging about in black condom and a respirator isn't really the same as dealing with leaky and contagious patients using a barrier protocol.

EFA

[XJ Flyer]

arguti said:

XJ Flyer said:

turbobloke said:

Given that successive 'expert' scientific advisers have indirectly led to the deaths of thousands of vulnerable UK residents already due to the UK's nonsensical energy policy increasing the cost of energy for fairytale reasons, there's no basis for believing they should perform any better with a virus particularly bearing in mind what's happened with FMD in the past.

The difference in the case of foot and mouth being that they don't generally add to the risks of spread by not imposing travel restrictions on the affected areas.

I always found it ironic that the steps taken to reduce the risk of BSE - closing all the small abattoirs (seen as high risk) and sending everything to the quality controlled regional "super-abattoirs" was instrumental in helping foot and mouth spread very rapidly by massively increasing animal movements. you cant have it both ways.

From an NHS perspective, the costs of having sufficient resources (from construction of adequate facilities, equipment procurement and staff training)to handle a substantial outbreak is mind boggling -without military backup I can't see it happening in the short term.

Ironically BSE seems to be the result of feeding Cattle on animal based food products rather than what they are supposed to eat grass.Probably as a way to increase profits at the expense of public safety.

The idea of then trading the extra risk of an animal limited disease like foot and mouth,by way of movement,to reduce the risk of another like BSE,which kills humans,seems logical in that case.

However the inconsistency and contradiction between the knowledge that isolation and movement restrictions are an essential component in limiting the spread of contagious diseases like foot and mouth,as opposed to government policy in this case,is the unbelievable relevant issue in this case.

[otolith]

hidetheelephants said:

Trogging about in a giant green condom and a respirator isn't really the same as dealing with leaky and contagious patients using a barrier protocol.

I was thinking more of moving patients and corpses than treatment.

[anonymous-user]

http://m.wsj.com/articles/parking-lot-outside-pent...

[benjj]

Pentagon.

Vomiting woman back from Liberia 2 weeks ago.

Send everyone home.

[Snoggledog]

benjj said:

Pentagon.

Vomiting woman back from Liberia 2 weeks ago.

Send everyone home.

Whilst in the UK that's normal behaviour for a Friday night

[B17NNS]

benjj said:

Pentagon.

A few posts on Twitter suggesting the woman is pregnant and it may be morning sickness.

[benjj]

That would be a huge relief to everyone I expect.

[Bill]

Update on the Washington Post article says she doesn't have a passport.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2...

Like the self-quarantined cruise passenger this does seem like an attention seeker bonanza.

[vescaegg]

All four patients suspected of having Ebola in Spain have been cleared.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/17/two-s...

[2013BRM]

hidetheelephants said:

bosshog said:

..praying its the second...

Thing is, as something as deadly as this, surely cost of doing more now outweighs the cost/risk even if nothing too bad comes of it. If they get it wrong it will be total disaster for the Uk and world at large. Its seems such a no brainer for me. I know they spent god knows what on the vaccines for swine flu, which didn't mount to much, but what if it did - they would have save 100,000 of lives. With something as deadly as this I don't get it.

They didn't buy enough for everyone, although I forget exactly what proportion of the population it would theoretically cover. It wasn't a vaccine either, it was that tamiflu bks. Profitable for the maker.

otolith said:

The military must have more people trained and equipped to work safely in a hot environment than anyone else.

Trogging about in a giant green condom and a respirator isn't really the same as dealing with leaky and contagious patients using a barrier protocol.

No but can you think of a profession that's got a closer match? being taught the niceties of persistent nerve agent and experience in a gas chamber gives the Military the edge and they tend to follow training quite well too

[The Hypno-Toad]

And the prize for the Biggest tt Of The Week goes to...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...

I'm guessing his browser history probably contains the words David & Icke a fair bit...

[2013BRM]

The Hypno-Toad said:

And the prize for the Biggest tt Of The Week goes to...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...

I'm guessing his browser history probably contains the words David & Icke a fair bit...

heard that on the local news yesterday and thought, what a berk, and someone rightly pointed out that his daughter would become the centre of attention at school making her life very difficult

[anonymous-user]

they look like dust masks anyway

[soad]

The Hypno-Toad said:

And the prize for the Biggest tt Of The Week goes to...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...

I'm guessing his browser history probably contains the words David & Icke a fair bit...

Paranoid! I bet he has endless stockpile of (cheap) medical masks and antibacterial hand gel.

[turbobloke]

2013BRM said:

The Hypno-Toad said:

And the prize for the Biggest tt Of The Week goes to...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...

I'm guessing his browser history probably contains the words David & Icke a fair bit...

heard that on the local news yesterday and thought, what a berk, and someone rightly pointed out that his daughter would become the centre of attention at school making her life very difficult

Not to mention the point that, according to all the references I've seen, ebola is spread when infected body fluids (urine, faeces, vomit, saliva, blood) come into direct contact with another person’s broken skin, or with mucus membranes. This doesn't suggest that a face mask would be particularly effective (though marginally better than nothing) compared to covering cuts, avoiding contact with any of the above body fluids, and washing hands with antiseptic soap regularly while avoiding the temptation to lick fingers, pick noses or rub eyes.

[croyde]

No Ebola stories in any of my many news feeds on my phone this morning and no additions to this thread overnight.

Can I come out from under my duvet now?

[Mojocvh]

soad said:

The Hypno-Toad said:

And the prize for the Biggest tt Of The Week goes to...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-he...

I'm guessing his browser history probably contains the words David & Icke a fair bit...

Paranoid! I bet he has endless stockpile of (cheap) medical masks and antibacterial hand gel.

Beats some nursing homes I've visited!

[MrBrightSi]

I know RT is hardly a great news distributor but:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB8FhEhCCx0