ebola, anyone else mildly terrified?
Discussion
GnuBee said:
LucreLout said:
Rather than allowing every wannabe hero to pop out to an infection zone for a couple of weeks holiday, then return exposing us all to an increased risk of infection (however tiny that increase may be), would it not be sensible to band volunteers from going and simply send as aid a group of people for up to a year at a time and quarantine them all upon return?
I get that as a nurse you want the feel good factor of helping out and the cv boost of having done so, but its simply not worth the risk of you bringing Ebola back here.
Given the short timespan between return and becoming symptomatic, I'd have to echo the previous posters query as to how ill this nurse felt or if she had reason to suspect possible infection prior to returning, which would be unacceptable.
"wannabe hero", "feel good factor" & "cv boost" - really? This place never ceases to amaze me....I get that as a nurse you want the feel good factor of helping out and the cv boost of having done so, but its simply not worth the risk of you bringing Ebola back here.
Given the short timespan between return and becoming symptomatic, I'd have to echo the previous posters query as to how ill this nurse felt or if she had reason to suspect possible infection prior to returning, which would be unacceptable.
One does have to wonder why no solid, capable process has been implemented to prevent diseased people coming home. Maybe the belief (possibly mistaken) really is that this disease is very difficult to catch?
Gretchen said:
TTmonkey said:
Terminator X said:
Surely only at risk if contact made with bodily fluids?
TX.
So you're on Sundays flight from Morroco, and you go to the toilet immediately after the woman who 36 hours later is being transported in full hazmat protection to a London hospital. She's feeling a bit unwell, and has been coughing a bit or sneezing.... or perhaps not washed her hands properly after having a crap (it's a plane remember, have you seen the hand washing facilities?). You are touching the same small door lock bolt just after she has. The same tap. The same toilet seat. 30 seconds after she did.TX.
You don't know if you've been in close contact with someone with Ebola.
All you then need is someone who doesn't wash their hands to use the loo and they carry it out, possibly spreading it or at least being exposed themselves.
Dave
I just listened to the doctor who was onboard. He said there were 30 of them on the plane back from Sierra Leone. Get ready for the bit from the brain dead who run this country and our institutions...
At Heathrow he said it was a shambles, no one seemed to know who was doing what. He was the only person 'with' a temperature which meant by regulation for ebola he should be isolated in a room on his own. They didn't have one!
Later he was tested and temperature now fine.
... here we go. They the group had a message from NHS England telling them they could make their own way home, which he says they did. Fortunately the lady with ebola didn't decide to catch the Tube, nor did any of the others. Once home they were told to keep away from crowded places for 2 weeks etc etc (my jaw had dropped then). NHS England the brain dead!
So, fine to make your way home by whatever means from one end of the country to the other, but once home stay put.
You really could not make it up. As someone said today, qualified people with bugger all in the common sense department of the brain.
At Heathrow he said it was a shambles, no one seemed to know who was doing what. He was the only person 'with' a temperature which meant by regulation for ebola he should be isolated in a room on his own. They didn't have one!
Later he was tested and temperature now fine.
... here we go. They the group had a message from NHS England telling them they could make their own way home, which he says they did. Fortunately the lady with ebola didn't decide to catch the Tube, nor did any of the others. Once home they were told to keep away from crowded places for 2 weeks etc etc (my jaw had dropped then). NHS England the brain dead!
So, fine to make your way home by whatever means from one end of the country to the other, but once home stay put.
You really could not make it up. As someone said today, qualified people with bugger all in the common sense department of the brain.
Let's face it, this is entirely predictable , I deed it happened with that other guy that got it, came home, got cured then went back.
Whatever the bakground to this woman's infection, it was entirely predictable. I'm also of the opinion that the is something I'd be more comfortable,e with should it remain in Africa, so these volunteers should be held responsible for not brInging it back to the UK.
If this means they have to be quarantined for 21 days before returning home, so be it, if it seems draconian, so is taping yourself up in hazmat gear! It's should be all part of this humanitarian process, I'm amazed it wasn't part of the arrangements, but yet again, we put have allowed parts of the general population be put at risk (even small risk) due to poor procedures.
I'm afraid that if this spreads to even one solitary person that has not been in an infected area in Africa, the s
t storm will be massive. These nhs volunteers will be 'outed' and people will, start to refuse to be treated by them.
So why not just put in the proper procedures in the first place, and have all these people in isolation upon arrival in the UK? If that makes some of them think twice before going, so be it.
Ebola, in the UK, in winter, is something I'm not particularly looking forward to. After all. If hazmatted up health professionals can get infected and not be aware of it, what hope is there for the rest of us?
Whatever the bakground to this woman's infection, it was entirely predictable. I'm also of the opinion that the is something I'd be more comfortable,e with should it remain in Africa, so these volunteers should be held responsible for not brInging it back to the UK.
If this means they have to be quarantined for 21 days before returning home, so be it, if it seems draconian, so is taping yourself up in hazmat gear! It's should be all part of this humanitarian process, I'm amazed it wasn't part of the arrangements, but yet again, we put have allowed parts of the general population be put at risk (even small risk) due to poor procedures.
I'm afraid that if this spreads to even one solitary person that has not been in an infected area in Africa, the s
t storm will be massive. These nhs volunteers will be 'outed' and people will, start to refuse to be treated by them. So why not just put in the proper procedures in the first place, and have all these people in isolation upon arrival in the UK? If that makes some of them think twice before going, so be it.
Ebola, in the UK, in winter, is something I'm not particularly looking forward to. After all. If hazmatted up health professionals can get infected and not be aware of it, what hope is there for the rest of us?
s3fella said:
Let's face it, this is entirely predictable , I deed it happened with that other guy that got it, came home, got cured then went back.
Whatever the bakground to this woman's infection, it was entirely predictable. I'm also of the opinion that the is something I'd be more comfortable,e with should it remain in Africa, so these volunteers should be held responsible for not brInging it back to the UK.
If this means they have to be quarantined for 21 days before returning home, so be it, if it seems draconian, so is taping yourself up in hazmat gear! It's should be all part of this humanitarian process, I'm amazed it wasn't part of the arrangements, but yet again, we put have allowed parts of the general population be put at risk (even small risk) due to poor procedures.
I'm afraid that if this spreads to even one solitary person that has not been in an infected area in Africa, the st storm will be massive. These nhs volunteers will be 'outed' and people will, start to refuse to be treated by them.
So why not just put in the proper procedures in the first place, and have all these people in isolation upon arrival in the UK? If that makes some of them think twice before going, so be it.
Ebola, in the UK, in winter, is something I'm not particularly looking forward to. After all. If hazmatted up health professionals can get infected and not be aware of it, what hope is there for the rest of us?
Personally, I fear the people in charge more than I do ebola. WHY do we have so many highly paid brain-dead people in positions of authority? How did we let this happen?Whatever the bakground to this woman's infection, it was entirely predictable. I'm also of the opinion that the is something I'd be more comfortable,e with should it remain in Africa, so these volunteers should be held responsible for not brInging it back to the UK.
If this means they have to be quarantined for 21 days before returning home, so be it, if it seems draconian, so is taping yourself up in hazmat gear! It's should be all part of this humanitarian process, I'm amazed it wasn't part of the arrangements, but yet again, we put have allowed parts of the general population be put at risk (even small risk) due to poor procedures.
I'm afraid that if this spreads to even one solitary person that has not been in an infected area in Africa, the s
t storm will be massive. These nhs volunteers will be 'outed' and people will, start to refuse to be treated by them. So why not just put in the proper procedures in the first place, and have all these people in isolation upon arrival in the UK? If that makes some of them think twice before going, so be it.
Ebola, in the UK, in winter, is something I'm not particularly looking forward to. After all. If hazmatted up health professionals can get infected and not be aware of it, what hope is there for the rest of us?
Apparently, listening to the doctor again who has been so highly critical of the arrangements at Heathrow when they returned from Sierra Leone, NHS England actually suggested they use PUBLIC TRANSPORT to get back to their places of home.
Jeez!
Then to stay put once home, and not frequent crowded places for 2 to 3 weeks. Beggars all belief.
Christ, I despair. If only I had been born a bit denser and lost all common sense I could have been a 'real' high earner it seems.
And the latest on making contact with those who had boarded the flights is just as comical. Many have been contacted. When pushed the person said some had been left messages on their phones. Oh dear.
TTmonkey said:
Terminator X said:
Surely only at risk if contact made with bodily fluids?
TX.
So you're on Sundays flight from Morroco, and you go to the toilet immediately after the woman who 36 hours later is being transported in full hazmat protection to a London hospital. She's feeling a bit unwell, and has been coughing a bit or sneezing.... or perhaps not washed her hands properly after having a crap (it's a plane remember, have you seen the hand washing facilities?). You are touching the same small door lock bolt just after she has. The same tap. The same toilet seat. 30 seconds after she did.TX.
You don't know if you've been in close contact with someone with Ebola.
TX.
Gretchen said:
LucreLout said:
Gretchen said:
She's a Health Care Worker. One would assume her hygeine routine includes washing her hands and not spitting in people's eyes...
It's been a while since you used the NHS then? 
(it's a joke, lefties, relax)
Every day. It's my job
The scary part was this was at a virologists convention.
Terminator X said:
TTmonkey said:
Terminator X said:
Surely only at risk if contact made with bodily fluids?
TX.
So you're on Sundays flight from Morroco, and you go to the toilet immediately after the woman who 36 hours later is being transported in full hazmat protection to a London hospital. She's feeling a bit unwell, and has been coughing a bit or sneezing.... or perhaps not washed her hands properly after having a crap (it's a plane remember, have you seen the hand washing facilities?). You are touching the same small door lock bolt just after she has. The same tap. The same toilet seat. 30 seconds after she did.TX.
You don't know if you've been in close contact with someone with Ebola.
TX.
She allegedly had no symptoms getting on the plane in Sierra Leone, but ends up in full isolation 24 hours later.
So when did she start feeling 'slightly unwell'?
On the flight to Morocco?
Waiting for her connection in Morocco?
On the flight from Morocco to Heathrow?
On the transport between Heathrow and Glasgow?
On the bus home from Glasgow airport to her home? (or however she managed to get home without any proper government help whatsoever).
She was diagnosed in a Glasgow hospital, by very definition she MUST have been symptomatic BEFORE she went to the hospital. So when did the symptoms actually start? When did she decide it wasn't a bit of travel sickness or a cold, but just might be Ebola?
voyds9 said:
I remember watching a documentary of transmission vectors where they set up a camera in a mens toilet. Over 70% of users failed to wash their hands after going to the toilet.
The scary part was this was at a virologists convention.
That's probably because most of them know that a bit of soap and water has no affect on most virus's..... The scary part was this was at a virologists convention.
My brother in law is one of the doctors looking after the infected nhs nurse at the Royal Free. Dr Simon Warren.
He specialises in Infectious diseases and believes Ebola is still going strong in Africa but doesn't think it'll spread In the UK due to our medical responses being superior.
Discussed it with him over a few days back in fact. Basically in the 'don't be concerned' camp.
He specialises in Infectious diseases and believes Ebola is still going strong in Africa but doesn't think it'll spread In the UK due to our medical responses being superior.
Discussed it with him over a few days back in fact. Basically in the 'don't be concerned' camp.
robm3 said:
My brother in law is one of the doctors looking after the infected nhs nurse at the Royal Free. Dr Simon Warren.
He specialises in Infectious diseases and believes Ebola is still going strong in Africa but doesn't think it'll spread In the UK due to our medical responses being superior.
Discussed it with him over a few days back in fact. Basically in the 'don't be concerned' camp.
That'll do for me. Someone who knows what they are actually talking about rather than tabloids trying to make us think we're all going to die. He specialises in Infectious diseases and believes Ebola is still going strong in Africa but doesn't think it'll spread In the UK due to our medical responses being superior.
Discussed it with him over a few days back in fact. Basically in the 'don't be concerned' camp.
Fair play to your bro in law; still quite a scary job for sure.
robm3 said:
My brother in law is one of the doctors looking after the infected nhs nurse at the Royal Free. Dr Simon Warren.
He specialises in Infectious diseases and believes Ebola is still going strong in Africa but doesn't think it'll spread In the UK due to our medical responses being superior.
Discussed it with him over a few days back in fact. Basically in the 'don't be concerned' camp.
Before or after the news of the ongoing event?He specialises in Infectious diseases and believes Ebola is still going strong in Africa but doesn't think it'll spread In the UK due to our medical responses being superior.
Discussed it with him over a few days back in fact. Basically in the 'don't be concerned' camp.
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