ebola, anyone else mildly terrified?
Discussion
Thankyou4calling said:
Even this thread was forecasting cases running into the 100's of thousands, what utter nonsense.
I personally hope it's stamped out in the next few months, but to undermine the potential risks for the numbers to get that high quite easily if the outbreak isn't curbed is a bit foolish.It's that foolish attitude which is why we have infected people wandering around transport hubs in the UK!
Dave
Amongst all the conjecture, speculation, opinion and BS is this, the official stats...
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-a...
Bearing in mind this is probably half to two thirds of the real world deaths and infections, becuase of shame, mistrust and basically not being counted unless they reach an official facility.
I was starting to think Liberia had turned the corner and was flattening, but then if you look at the line of best fit, its more like they are a bit overwhelmed with paperwork and do it in batches. A couple of months from now I might be more convinced.
But Sierran Leone and Guinea are still on the up.
Nothing good to report yet then. Other that it got to UK and was hardly noticed apart from the honesty of the person concerned. Although as people have speculated, if I felt a bit s
t whilst working out there, I'd say, "I cant handle all this death any more and want to be on the next flight home". And get my self checked into isolation as soon as I reach British soil.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-a...
Bearing in mind this is probably half to two thirds of the real world deaths and infections, becuase of shame, mistrust and basically not being counted unless they reach an official facility.
I was starting to think Liberia had turned the corner and was flattening, but then if you look at the line of best fit, its more like they are a bit overwhelmed with paperwork and do it in batches. A couple of months from now I might be more convinced.
But Sierran Leone and Guinea are still on the up.
Nothing good to report yet then. Other that it got to UK and was hardly noticed apart from the honesty of the person concerned. Although as people have speculated, if I felt a bit s
t whilst working out there, I'd say, "I cant handle all this death any more and want to be on the next flight home". And get my self checked into isolation as soon as I reach British soil. CheesyFootballs said:
Just see it on the BBC 
BBC said:
A British nurse who was diagnosed with Ebola after returning from Sierra Leone is now in a critical condition, the hospital treating her has said.
North London's Royal Free Hospital said Pauline Cafferkey's condition had gradually deteriorated over the past two days.
North London's Royal Free Hospital said Pauline Cafferkey's condition had gradually deteriorated over the past two days.
So she's now critical. Not looking good.
Hmm, wonders about the passenger manifests and those in authority spouting they were in process of contacting all the others on the planes. Last I heard they had not managed to contact all, and when (Sturgeon?) was pressed by questioners were told some had had messages left on their phones.
So ...were all contacted or not?
Hmm, wonders about the passenger manifests and those in authority spouting they were in process of contacting all the others on the planes. Last I heard they had not managed to contact all, and when (Sturgeon?) was pressed by questioners were told some had had messages left on their phones.
So ...were all contacted or not?
Young fit 29 old survived it.
39 year old prognosis now grim.
Imagine what hope anyone elderly would have.
Better hope no one else has contacted it, and the procedures in place are far more common-sense than those previous.
Isolation and quarantine should be paramount for 'anyone' coming here from Sierra Leone etc.
But ...common-sense prevails very little in these modern days.
39 year old prognosis now grim.
Imagine what hope anyone elderly would have.
Better hope no one else has contacted it, and the procedures in place are far more common-sense than those previous.
Isolation and quarantine should be paramount for 'anyone' coming here from Sierra Leone etc.
But ...common-sense prevails very little in these modern days.
Interesting comment from one of the Doctors treating her:
Earlier this week Dr Michael Jacobs, who has been involved in Ms Cafferkey's treatment, said she had been sitting up and talking - adding she was able to read, eat and drink and had spoken to her family.
However, he revealed the hospital was unable to obtain ZMapp, the drug used to treat fellow British volunteer nurse William Pooley, who recovered, because "there is none in the world at the moment".
None in the world? Wow.
Earlier this week Dr Michael Jacobs, who has been involved in Ms Cafferkey's treatment, said she had been sitting up and talking - adding she was able to read, eat and drink and had spoken to her family.
However, he revealed the hospital was unable to obtain ZMapp, the drug used to treat fellow British volunteer nurse William Pooley, who recovered, because "there is none in the world at the moment".
None in the world? Wow.
N163A has headed back to Dakar 2 Jan
http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N163PA
N173A has headed back the US from Germany
http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N173PA
I think it was used to move a south Korean health worker to Germany
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/south-korea...
http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N163PA
N173A has headed back the US from Germany
http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N173PA
I think it was used to move a south Korean health worker to Germany
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/south-korea...
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 3rd January 16:32
darreni said:
Interesting comment from one of the Doctors treating her:
Earlier this week Dr Michael Jacobs, who has been involved in Ms Cafferkey's treatment, said she had been sitting up and talking - adding she was able to read, eat and drink and had spoken to her family.
However, he revealed the hospital was unable to obtain ZMapp, the drug used to treat fellow British volunteer nurse William Pooley, who recovered, because "there is none in the world at the moment".
None in the world? Wow.
That was known news, even 'when the plane landed at Heathrow'!Earlier this week Dr Michael Jacobs, who has been involved in Ms Cafferkey's treatment, said she had been sitting up and talking - adding she was able to read, eat and drink and had spoken to her family.
However, he revealed the hospital was unable to obtain ZMapp, the drug used to treat fellow British volunteer nurse William Pooley, who recovered, because "there is none in the world at the moment".
None in the world? Wow.
When you have those in authority with little up top, you should refer to the thread title again.
The ones who are in charge tell ebola risk people to 'go out, use public transport, but when you get home, stay put.'
God help!
What was the thread title again?
What did I say earlier?
SWINDON! That's a bit close to me...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30668872
update
A spokesperson for Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust confirmed it was caring for "an individual with a history of travel to West Africa", stressing that the Ebola test was a precautionary measure.
We really are a bunch of idiots in this country aren't we?
How many more are coming here with a history of travel to Sierra Leone and the surrounding parts without undergoing some sort of precautionary measure 'before' they step on British soil again, not after they've travelled freely about before feeling ill?
The South West Ambulance Service’s specialist hazardous area response team transported the unnamed patient to the Great Western Hospital this afternoon, where he or she will be kept in isolation.
SWINDON! That's a bit close to me...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30668872
update
A spokesperson for Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust confirmed it was caring for "an individual with a history of travel to West Africa", stressing that the Ebola test was a precautionary measure.
We really are a bunch of idiots in this country aren't we?
How many more are coming here with a history of travel to Sierra Leone and the surrounding parts without undergoing some sort of precautionary measure 'before' they step on British soil again, not after they've travelled freely about before feeling ill?
The South West Ambulance Service’s specialist hazardous area response team transported the unnamed patient to the Great Western Hospital this afternoon, where he or she will be kept in isolation.
Edited by dandarez on Saturday 3rd January 18:23
darreni said:
Interesting comment from one of the Doctors treating her:
Earlier this week Dr Michael Jacobs, who has been involved in Ms Cafferkey's treatment, said she had been sitting up and talking - adding she was able to read, eat and drink and had spoken to her family.
However, he revealed the hospital was unable to obtain ZMapp, the drug used to treat fellow British volunteer nurse William Pooley, who recovered, because "there is none in the world at the moment".
None in the world? Wow.
Taking a wild, uneducated punt here, but I'd guess that as she came back into Heathrow feeling 'OK' before feeling sEarlier this week Dr Michael Jacobs, who has been involved in Ms Cafferkey's treatment, said she had been sitting up and talking - adding she was able to read, eat and drink and had spoken to her family.
However, he revealed the hospital was unable to obtain ZMapp, the drug used to treat fellow British volunteer nurse William Pooley, who recovered, because "there is none in the world at the moment".
None in the world? Wow.
t the following day would suggest that it's either very virulent or she was travelling when she knew she was unwell. Given that she's a supposed to be a healthcare professional I'd say it sounds more virulent than idiocy.As to ZMapp.. IIRC it's grown from genetically modified tea plants(?) and hence takes six or so months to get to enough maturity to allow for processing into a drug.
Snoggledog said:
Taking a wild, uneducated punt here, but I'd guess that as she came back into Heathrow feeling 'OK' before feeling st the following day would suggest that it's either very virulent or she was travelling when she knew she was unwell. Given that she's a supposed to be a healthcare professional I'd say it sounds more virulent than idiocy.
As to ZMapp.. IIRC it's grown from genetically modified tea plants(?) and hence takes six or so months to get to enough maturity to allow for processing into a drug.
She reported feeling in at Heathrow after the flight from Morocco. she was cleared to travel further from there bya 'medical professional'. t the following day would suggest that it's either very virulent or she was travelling when she knew she was unwell. Given that she's a supposed to be a healthcare professional I'd say it sounds more virulent than idiocy.As to ZMapp.. IIRC it's grown from genetically modified tea plants(?) and hence takes six or so months to get to enough maturity to allow for processing into a drug.
TTmonkey said:
Snoggledog said:
Taking a wild, uneducated punt here, but I'd guess that as she came back into Heathrow feeling 'OK' before feeling st the following day would suggest that it's either very virulent or she was travelling when she knew she was unwell. Given that she's a supposed to be a healthcare professional I'd say it sounds more virulent than idiocy.
As to ZMapp.. IIRC it's grown from genetically modified tea plants(?) and hence takes six or so months to get to enough maturity to allow for processing into a drug.
She reported feeling in at Heathrow after the flight from Morocco. she was cleared to travel further from there bya 'medical professional'. t the following day would suggest that it's either very virulent or she was travelling when she knew she was unwell. Given that she's a supposed to be a healthcare professional I'd say it sounds more virulent than idiocy.As to ZMapp.. IIRC it's grown from genetically modified tea plants(?) and hence takes six or so months to get to enough maturity to allow for processing into a drug.
JPJPJP said:
nearly... it is tobacco plants that are used in the pharming of the monoclonal antibodies that make up ZMapp
Oh so close.. Just couldn't remember which type of shrub it was and took a punt. Should have read more first 
I was reading an article somewhere which suggested that they follow all protocols whilst at work but go out in the area, which is likely where they catch the virus.
It went on to say that the risk on plane passengers was in using the toilets after someone who has the virus. They are not the best places to try to wash properly and with the paper towel bins overflowing, transfer is highly probable.
I admire these selfless people, but there is a risk and it begs the question should people be kept under observation in isolation when they come back after working in such conditions?
It went on to say that the risk on plane passengers was in using the toilets after someone who has the virus. They are not the best places to try to wash properly and with the paper towel bins overflowing, transfer is highly probable.
I admire these selfless people, but there is a risk and it begs the question should people be kept under observation in isolation when they come back after working in such conditions?
spaximus said:
I was reading an article somewhere which suggested that they follow all protocols whilst at work but go out in the area, which is likely where they catch the virus.
It went on to say that the risk on plane passengers was in using the toilets after someone who has the virus. They are not the best places to try to wash properly and with the paper towel bins overflowing, transfer is highly probable.
I admire these selfless people, but there is a risk and it begs the question should people be kept under observation in isolation when they come back after working in such conditions?
I would also add people who arrive back from those areas who are not in the medical services, for example I understand the person in Swindon hospital is someone who regularly visits Sierra Leone!It went on to say that the risk on plane passengers was in using the toilets after someone who has the virus. They are not the best places to try to wash properly and with the paper towel bins overflowing, transfer is highly probable.
I admire these selfless people, but there is a risk and it begs the question should people be kept under observation in isolation when they come back after working in such conditions?
And guess what? He/she returned to this country when? Where has he/she been since? Public spaces? Public transport? Who knows?
The one thing that does transpire this evening is he/she is not from Swindon, Wiltshire (where the hospital is) but SOUTH GLOUCS. Let's hope this is a false alarm and he/she has not got ebola.
So, in answer to your last paragraph ...YES!
That's what common sense teaches you.
Sadly, we are surrounded by those in authority with precious little of that commodity, and in many cases, none at all.
Edited by dandarez on Saturday 3rd January 23:06
dandarez said:
What did I say earlier?
SWINDON! That's a bit close to me...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30668872
update
A spokesperson for Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust confirmed it was caring for "an individual with a history of travel to West Africa", stressing that the Ebola test was a precautionary measure.
The precautionary test results came in earlier this morning - negative.SWINDON! That's a bit close to me...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30668872
update
A spokesperson for Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust confirmed it was caring for "an individual with a history of travel to West Africa", stressing that the Ebola test was a precautionary measure.
turbobloke said:
dandarez said:
What did I say earlier?
SWINDON! That's a bit close to me...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30668872
update
A spokesperson for Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust confirmed it was caring for "an individual with a history of travel to West Africa", stressing that the Ebola test was a precautionary measure.
The precautionary test results came in earlier this morning - negative.SWINDON! That's a bit close to me...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-30668872
update
A spokesperson for Great Western Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust confirmed it was caring for "an individual with a history of travel to West Africa", stressing that the Ebola test was a precautionary measure.
But with the stupidity at play it's only a matter of time until it's not.
Isn't Sierra Leone the current hot-spot and is still seeing accelerated numbers of cases? It seems perhaps those with a history in that area should be at least be looked at a bit more closely upon return!
Dave
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