ebola, anyone else mildly terrified?

ebola, anyone else mildly terrified?

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BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Monday 27th March 2017
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guardian said:
A doctor acted dishonestly when she lied to investigators about the dangerously high temperature of a nurse who went on to develop Ebola, a tribunal has found.

Dr Hannah Ryan, who had been working in Sierra Leone during the west Africa Ebola outbreak of 2014, was one of the medics who assessed Pauline Cafferkey following the Scottish nurse’s return to the UK in December 2014.

Ryan did not raise the alarm when a colleague wrote down Cafferkey’s temperature as 1C lower than it actually was during a “chaotic” screening process at Heathrow airport on 28 December 2014, a medical practitioners tribunal found on Monday.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/mar/27/doctor-was-dishonest-in-screening-nurse-who-had-ebola-tribunal-finds

trickywoo

11,701 posts

229 months

Tuesday 28th March 2017
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FlyingMeeces said:
stevep944 said:
They should both be struck off.
They came back knowing full well one was ill with Ebola, falsified temperature readings to get back in, without giving a toss for the risk they were creating for the rest of the population.
Now they have the cheek to blame the system.
Disgrace.
Do you really think someone who had seen first-hand the effects of ebola would willingly expose the population of the UK - including their family - to it?

Every self respecting healthcare professional would sooner top themselves than risk that.

A very unsympathetic fitness to practice panel nonetheless found that Pauline Cafferkey was in no way at fault and was already unwell enough to be unable to basically think straight by the time she reached the airport.

They highlighted that there were problems with the system for screening arrivals. And there were - or do you think it's okay to leave arriving, exhausted medics to do their own screening, unguided and unsupervised?
In light of the tribunal findings your post is cringe worthy.

FlyingMeeces

9,932 posts

210 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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trickywoo said:
In light of the tribunal findings your post is cringe worthy.
Mmm, yeah.

I can't quite figure out what must have actually gone on: they decided this doctor (not the nurses, about whom I was writing) did not intend to conceal the high temperature, but that she did later then try to keep herself from being implicated in it all? I can't work out the motives - other than stupid panicked decisions.

The Guardian article is weirdly un-damning. It all feels off kilter - they're obviously reporting it quite sympathetically, but it reads like the tribunal itself was also quite sympathetic, in a very odd contrast to the nursing one that wanted to string Cafferkey up last year.

trickywoo

11,701 posts

229 months

Wednesday 29th March 2017
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Seems professional standards and a basic concern for the wider safety of the public went out of the window because she wanted her friend (a friendship formed in extreme circumstances, as the tribunal was keen to highlight) to get home as quickly as possible and not miss her connecting flight.

You could read all sorts into this but there seems to have been some sort of feeling of personal entitlement gained from their volunteering which morally allowed them at the time to behave as they did.

Its an age old story and one which you (hopefully historically now) used to see a lot in aircraft crashes where the senior officer would make a bizarre decision or series of decisions which were never questioned by the junior officer(s) leading to disaster. The senior officer was bestowed unquestioned authority and the people involved in this sorry case seem to have had the same feeling.

Its something systems and procedures need to be designed to address and they simply weren't in this case. You can't rely on people to do the correct thing when what they consider to be just (at the time) can so easily be different from correct.

trickywoo

11,701 posts

229 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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BlackLabel said:
Brave or foolhardy?
Neither as their isn't an ebola outbreak at the moment but if I had fked up so royally I'd want it forgotten and not keep attracting attention.

She seems truly shameless.

London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Thursday 13th April 2017
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Just checking in...did we all die?

dudleybloke

19,717 posts

185 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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Looks like Ebola is making a comeback in the Congo.
Pigs are thought to be carriers involved with this outbreak.

Lance Catamaran

24,942 posts

226 months

Sunday 28th May 2017
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  1. prayforthecongo
  2. westandwiththecongo


There, crisis over. Next.

richelli

285 posts

171 months

Sunday 13th May 2018
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It’s back in the Democratic Republic of Congo....

Thankyou4calling

10,595 posts

172 months

Monday 14th May 2018
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richelli said:
It’s back in the Democratic Republic of Congo....
Ebola rears it's head every few years, it's going to kill millions.

It never does, move on.

On a side note i can catergorically state

Um Bongo Um Bongo

They DO NOT DRINK IT IN THE CONGO!

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

227 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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BlackLabel said:
Oh dear.

Did they have helmets on? Safety first and all of that.

dudleybloke

19,717 posts

185 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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Bunch of spongs!

del mar

2,838 posts

198 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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Did god not answer their prayers ?


untakenname

4,953 posts

191 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Looks like the latest outbreak is showing no signs of slowing as people are killing the doctors treating them

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/201...

dudleybloke

19,717 posts

185 months

Friday 3rd May 2019
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Sadly I'm not surprised.

eldar

21,614 posts

195 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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untakenname said:
Looks like the latest outbreak is showing no signs of slowing as people are killing the doctors treating them

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/201...
And getting worse.

New Ebola outbreak in DRC is 'truly frightening', says Wellcome Trust director https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-48615667

Thankyou4calling

10,595 posts

172 months

Wednesday 12th June 2019
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trickywoo

11,701 posts

229 months

Thursday 13th June 2019
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eldar said:
New Ebola outbreak in DRC is 'truly frightening', says Wellcome Trust director
They would say that though as their very existence depends on donations and while I don't have any knowledge of this outfit some charities have very good rates of pay indeed.