ebola, anyone else mildly terrified?

ebola, anyone else mildly terrified?

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eharding

13,699 posts

284 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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TVR1 said:
Yes, but much like an Ebola outbreak, your thread was effectively eliminated as a result of efficient protocols. In the case of Ebola, good biohazard drills, and in the case of your thread, lack of interest.

TVR1

5,463 posts

225 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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eharding said:
TVR1 said:
Yes, but much like an Ebola outbreak, your thread was effectively eliminated as a result of efficient protocols. In the case of Ebola, good biohazard drills, and in the case of your thread, lack of interest.
Unfortunately, there where no biohazard drills to speak of. I agree the thread died from lack of interest.The Ebola virus wasn't eliminated though.Protocols? In Africa? Ok.as for my thread? It's still here. Just like the virus.

TVR1

5,463 posts

225 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Ebola has a mortality rate of up to 90% so some people will always survive.

However, given its incubation period of 2-21 days, mortality rate, rapid onset of symptoms to death time (7 days), as well as the fact that the 4 strains lethal to humans are passed via infected bodily fluids, Ebola is a particularly inefficient virus in terms of spread.

Rapid quarantining of an infected area, coupled with good aseptic techniques, means that any outbreak should rapidly 'burn out'.
Whilst Ebola, as you say , is a very inefficient virus, you can't discount sudden mobility of the population that it infects.

It's an exponential curve. Some African airlines have always been stopping passengers with Ebola/Marburg virus symptoms.

What if they can't stop everyone?

Imagine a lone infected passenger, on a flight to Heathrow from Africa.....

Ebola Symptomatic.

What next?

TVR1

5,463 posts

225 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Ebola has a mortality rate of up to 90% so some people will always survive.

However, given its incubation period of 2-21 days, mortality rate, rapid onset of symptoms to death time (7 days), as well as the fact that the 4 strains lethal to humans are passed via infected bodily fluids, Ebola is a particularly inefficient virus in terms of spread.

Rapid quarantining of an infected area, coupled with good aseptic techniques, means that any outbreak should rapidly 'burn out'.
Whilst Ebola, as you say , is a very inefficient virus, you can't discount sudden mobility of the population that it infects.

It's an exponential curve. Some African airlines have always been stopping passengers with Ebola/Marburg virus symptoms.

What if they can't stop everyone?

Imagine a lone infected passenger, on a flight to Heathrow from Africa.....

Ebola Symptomatic.

What next?

otolith

56,090 posts

204 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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Trace and isolate all contacts, apply good barrier nursing practice, support patients until they either recover or snuff it.

Ginetta G15 Girl

3,220 posts

184 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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So an Ebola incubating patient gets on an aeroplane (very unlikely given the locii of Ebola outbreaks vs distance from an airport).

Then what?

Someone showing the symptoms of a Hemorrhagic fever is on board an aircraft (fair enough it could be Lassa, Marburg, or raft of others). We are going to let them just get off at Heathrow? Seriously? You are telling me the Crew are just going to sit there and do nothing?

Ebola spreads through contact with bodily fluids, it is not airborne (aside from Ebola Reston which is not pathogeinc in humans).

Even if there were to be spread on board an Airliner, the spread downstream would be minimal because of the way Ebola spreads. It really isn't a virus adapted to the Western world.

Were it to become airborne, however...

There are far more dangerous diseases out there (in terms of spread vs pK) than Ebola.

eharding

13,699 posts

284 months

Friday 4th July 2014
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TVR1 said:
Whilst Ebola, as you say , is a very inefficient virus, you can't discount sudden mobility of the population that it infects.

It's an exponential curve. Some African airlines have always been stopping passengers with Ebola/Marburg virus symptoms.

What if they can't stop everyone?

Imagine a lone infected passenger, on a flight to Heathrow from Africa.....

Ebola Symptomatic.

What next?
TVR1 said:
Whilst Ebola, as you say , is a very inefficient virus, you can't discount sudden mobility of the population that it infects.

It's an exponential curve. Some African airlines have always been stopping passengers with Ebola/Marburg virus symptoms.

What if they can't stop everyone?

Imagine a lone infected passenger, on a flight to Heathrow from Africa.....

Ebola Symptomatic.

What next?
Like Ebola, your posts do seem to be replicating. If you could just stay very still for a minute or so, we'll fetch the flame-thrower, bleach and a large fuel-air explosive device. Nothing to worry about.

dudleybloke

19,817 posts

186 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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Vice in Liberia on the monkey meat trade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XasTcDsDfMg

NoNeed

15,137 posts

200 months

Saturday 5th July 2014
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I live in birmingham so if I don't worry for me nobody else will lol. I think that if we had a survey of which populated area we wanted it to hit first, I think I'm living in one of the top threehehe

zygalski

7,759 posts

145 months

Tuesday 15th July 2014
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Not exactly showing signs of slowing down.


Esseesse

8,969 posts

208 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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zygalski said:
Not exactly showing signs of slowing down.

Not good, perhaps weather related too?

Are these numbers worldwide?

Bill

52,747 posts

255 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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To put it into perspective, cold weather kills 20+ times that number every winter in this country alone and we're (vaguely) expecting a heat wave next week that will push any number of old people over the edge.

otolith

56,090 posts

204 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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The numbers are small, but I don't like the look of the shape of that curve.

zygalski

7,759 posts

145 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Esseesse said:
Not good, perhaps weather related too?

Are these numbers worldwide?
That's the West Africa outbreak figures.

Bill

52,747 posts

255 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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otolith said:
The numbers are small, but I don't like the look of the shape of that curve.
You wouldn't see it next to the winter flu curve.

otolith

56,090 posts

204 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Bill said:
otolith said:
The numbers are small, but I don't like the look of the shape of that curve.
You wouldn't see it next to the winter flu curve.
I'm not concerned about the y axis scale, it's the shape I don't like.

Rocksteadyeddie

7,971 posts

227 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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otolith said:
Bill said:
otolith said:
The numbers are small, but I don't like the look of the shape of that curve.
You wouldn't see it next to the winter flu curve.
I'm not concerned about the y axis scale, it's the shape I don't like.
Can't see the graph (genius IT policy) but does it show the rate of change of new cases against deaths? People who are alive are more likely to accelerate the infection rate than those that are dead and in the ground/up in ashes. If that gap is widening that would be a greater cause of concern to me.

To update; my daughter heads to Sierra Leonne a week Saturday. As things stand she has decided to go.

Bill

52,747 posts

255 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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otolith said:
I'm not concerned about the y axis scale, it's the shape I don't like.
That's what I mean, the winter flu curve does the same thing, but on a much bigger scale.

otolith

56,090 posts

204 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Actually, it might not be as bad as it looks - are those cumulative totals? I'd like to see a plot of new cases against time.

otolith

56,090 posts

204 months

Wednesday 16th July 2014
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Yeah, the shape I don't want to see is an exponential increase in the number of cases.