Missing Dossier ! ?
Discussion
tenpenceshort said:
V8 Fettler said:
Derek Smith said:
The problem is that it is now a political situation. It is not about the abused children and their right to be heard after all these years.
It's a situation where plod and the CPS need to do the job they are paid to do, and they need to do this efficiently and effectively.tenpenceshort said:
Unlike Derek I expect they will. There is no credible evidence that the current government is unlawfully protecting anyone. You may have noticed one of Cameron's friends being imprisoned last week, for example.
In the present day I would be more concerned over corruption within the Police than any in parliament.
We have seen child and sexual abuse by entertainers over the past 40 years and it appears the exploits and rumours regards them were widespread and relatively commonplace within the industry. It wouldn't be much of a surprise to find a number of politicians of the time behaved in a similar manner. The same could be said for many groups who hold power and might be prepared to abuse it, including the Police.
I find it difficult to accept that anyone could really believe that anything has changed in parliament. In the present day I would be more concerned over corruption within the Police than any in parliament.
We have seen child and sexual abuse by entertainers over the past 40 years and it appears the exploits and rumours regards them were widespread and relatively commonplace within the industry. It wouldn't be much of a surprise to find a number of politicians of the time behaved in a similar manner. The same could be said for many groups who hold power and might be prepared to abuse it, including the Police.
Firstly, let's destroy any suggestion this is party political. The problems go across all parties I think.
Secondly, there has been nothing to force them to change. It is still the same old club. It's got nothing to do with Cameron and to think so shows a massive misunderstanding of the situation.
This is not a matter of corruption but of child abuse. Child abuse did not disappear suddenly for no reason at some previous date. It is still there and the rich and the powerful have always indulged themselves, protected by various systems.
We will never rid ourselves of child abuse, there is so much of it about, but we need to be real. Those with authority will abuse that authority. There is still the same proportion of those with such tendencies in government as nothing has been done to exclude them. There has been no change in the set up so it is probable that there has been no change in what happens.
Derek Smith said:
This is not a matter of corruption but of child abuse.
I agree with what you say BUT I think this has a lot to do with corruption. By compromising people you have power over them. How did Savile get a position of influence whilst getting away with what he did? Because he knew stuff.
One way to hold power over someone is to know stuff about them - and one way to gain influence is to know stuff about those in power.
desolate said:
I agree with what you say BUT I think this has a lot to do with corruption. By compromising people you have power over them.
How did Savile get a position of influence whilst getting away with what he did? Because he knew stuff.
One way to hold power over someone is to know stuff about them - and one way to gain influence is to know stuff about those in power.
In the days of rampant corruption in the police, I was in CID. I was told, not asked, to go out with a group of detectives to the pub. When I said that I was tee-total (almost unheard of, it was remarkable when everyone was sober) one DC said: 'I'll not work with anyone who won't get drunk with me.' A couple of the others nodded and they walked away in a group, my forceful invitation apparently rescinded. How did Savile get a position of influence whilst getting away with what he did? Because he knew stuff.
One way to hold power over someone is to know stuff about them - and one way to gain influence is to know stuff about those in power.
I thought first of all that it was the social side but then realisation came.
They wanted me to open up, to say things, and not to harbour 'concerns' about the way some of them performed their duties.
There were some exciting times after that.
I posted this before last week & will do again.
Chris Fay being interviewed
All very interesting but if you are just want to hear about L.B. go to 43:17 onwards.
ie LB with naked boy on his lap while he is also naked apart from a maid's pinafore!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORU5x-ryedU
Chris Fay being interviewed
All very interesting but if you are just want to hear about L.B. go to 43:17 onwards.
ie LB with naked boy on his lap while he is also naked apart from a maid's pinafore!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORU5x-ryedU
I think these elected representatives were campaigning about a lack of probity in public life:
http://www.exposedcampaign.com/blog/84
It seems they want the RoW to sort out corruption before the next G20 shindig in Australia. Perhaps they should get their own House of Commons in order first?
I think the chap with the Honourary Doctorate may be part of Tony Blair's Drawing All Faiths Together (D.A.F.T.), though that may be a bit off of me given that Timms was almost killed by a young woman that got Jihad.
Perhaps that photo would have less of a Chris Morris 'Cake' sting vibe if the smiley chap at the back wasn't smiling?
Munt's frowning as she's trying to remember if she declared the secret Oakeshott polling to oust Clegg in her constituency or if she ticked the right box on the occupancy part of her Council Tax form.
http://www.exposedcampaign.com/blog/84
It seems they want the RoW to sort out corruption before the next G20 shindig in Australia. Perhaps they should get their own House of Commons in order first?
I think the chap with the Honourary Doctorate may be part of Tony Blair's Drawing All Faiths Together (D.A.F.T.), though that may be a bit off of me given that Timms was almost killed by a young woman that got Jihad.
Perhaps that photo would have less of a Chris Morris 'Cake' sting vibe if the smiley chap at the back wasn't smiling?
Munt's frowning as she's trying to remember if she declared the secret Oakeshott polling to oust Clegg in her constituency or if she ticked the right box on the occupancy part of her Council Tax form.
Edited by carinaman on Monday 7th July 12:12
Los Endos said:
number 46 said:
MarshPhantom said:
Leon Brittan has been arested over "historical rape allegation"
See, told you he was most likely to loose the files !!! I mean if your name was in the files you would loose them too!!!!!!Interesting that the enquiry is only looking at events in the '80s, there must be a reason for that, as the Rev. T B famously advised, 'dont set up an enquiry unless you know beforehand what it is looking at and what it will find' !!!!
number 46 said:
Interesting that the enquiry is only looking at events in the '80s, there must be a reason for that, as the Rev. T B famously advised, 'dont set up an enquiry unless you know beforehand what it is looking at and what it will find' !!!!
Not to mention the person in the chair being your best mate.Elroy Blue said:
Theresa May..."Nothing to see here,it was the Police and other organisations fault"
(Oh...and we won't say anything else until after the next election. Priorities and all that)
In case anyone thinks you've misinterpreted it, here's the DM:(Oh...and we won't say anything else until after the next election. Priorities and all that)
"A panel of experts will examine evidence that public bodies, private companies, the NHS, the BBC and the church failed to protect children from paedophiles."
Nothing her about the MPs on the Dossier. But wait, she went on to say:
"The head of the NSPCC, Peter Wanless, will also review the way the Home Office handled allegations over three decades, after it was found to have lost 114 files relating to claims of abuse."
Why doesn't she just say that they've sent someone to B&Q for some white paint and a dirty great big brush?
One MP made a good point about the Whips using evidence of child abuse to coerce those responsible. When asked whether records in the Whips' offices would be included in the review, she said that it was her intention that the review would be "as wide ranging as possible" which I took as a "no" given that she was extremely cagey about the use of Special Branch and MI5 files and databases.
MrCarPark said:
One MP made a good point about the Whips using evidence of child abuse to coerce those responsible. When asked whether records in the Whips' offices would be included in the review, she said that it was her intention that the review would be "as wide ranging as possible" which I took as a "no" given that she was extremely cagey about the use of Special Branch and MI5 files and databases.
It is a case of MPs investigating themselves, their colleagues, their friends. It is a case of MPs investigating a dreadful scandal in the year of an elections. It is powerful senior MPs in control of the enquiry. My wife asked me: What did you expect?
The point is: Exactly this (albeit without the BBC being involved but then I underestimate the importance of Murdoch).
Dreadful, really dreadful. But then, what did we all expect?
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