Missing Dossier ! ?

[turbobloke]

Derek Smith said:

Why doesn't she just say that they've sent someone to B&Q for some white paint and a dirty great big brush?

A very good point. One explanation could be that she knows from other recent cover-ups purchases that the relevant materials are out of stock and on back order.

[Camoradi]

I would have preferred to hear them say that they were going to hold a very concise investigation into the specific case of the missing files and the role of Leon Brittan and Home Office officials in their disappearance, and to find out what the hell is going on with the Elm Guest House police investigation, which has produced nothing in two years.

This "wide ranging" enquiry has one true purpose, namely to ensure that nothing will be known before the general election next year. I expect it to be another Chilcott enquiry, costing millions and with little chance of seeing the light of day.

[greygoose]

MrCarPark said:

One MP made a good point about the Whips using evidence of child abuse to coerce those responsible. When asked whether records in the Whips' offices would be included in the review, she said that it was her intention that the review would be "as wide ranging as possible" which I took as a "no" given that she was extremely cagey about the use of Special Branch and MI5 files and databases.

I doubt the whips write down the issues they blackmail their colleagues with, perhaps I have been watching a House of Cards too much though.

[Daz68]

XCP said:

A cover up. Nothing more, nothing less.

Money and power talks and always will.

[tenpenceshort]

And if the inquiries announced today uncover strong evidence of abuse that results in the prosecution of serving and/or past MPs? Is it still then a whitewash?

I like to approach anything said by politicians with a healthy slice of cynicism, but that doesn't extend to assuming a negative outcome of every review and inquiry they instigate.

[MrCarPark]

greygoose said:

MrCarPark said:

One MP made a good point about the Whips using evidence of child abuse to coerce those responsible. When asked whether records in the Whips' offices would be included in the review, she said that it was her intention that the review would be "as wide ranging as possible" which I took as a "no" given that she was extremely cagey about the use of Special Branch and MI5 files and databases.

I doubt the whips write down the issues they blackmail their colleagues with, perhaps I have been watching a House of Cards too much though.

Hmm. I thought that too, but apparently the 'Dirt Book' was an Edward Heath innovation:

http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/t...

"Tim Fortescue, who was Ted Heath’s chief whip from 1970-73, said:

"For anyone with any sense, who was in trouble, would come to the whips and tell them the truth, and say now, I’m in a jam, can you help? It might be debt, it might be…..erm……erm, a scandal involving small boys, or any kind of scandal in which, erm er, a member seemed likely to be mixed up in, they’d come and ask if we could help and if we could, we did. And we would do everything we can because we would store up brownie points……., and if I mean, that sounds a pretty, pretty nasty reason, but it’s one of the reasons because if we could get a chap out of trouble then, he will do as we ask forever more.""

[Derek Smith]

MrCarPark said:

greygoose said:

MrCarPark said:

One MP made a good point about the Whips using evidence of child abuse to coerce those responsible. When asked whether records in the Whips' offices would be included in the review, she said that it was her intention that the review would be "as wide ranging as possible" which I took as a "no" given that she was extremely cagey about the use of Special Branch and MI5 files and databases.

I doubt the whips write down the issues they blackmail their colleagues with, perhaps I have been watching a House of Cards too much though.

Hmm. I thought that too, but apparently the 'Dirt Book' was an Edward Heath innovation:

http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/05/11/t...

"Tim Fortescue, who was Ted Heath’s chief whip from 1970-73, said:

"For anyone with any sense, who was in trouble, would come to the whips and tell them the truth, and say now, I’m in a jam, can you help? It might be debt, it might be…..erm……erm, a scandal involving small boys, or any kind of scandal in which, erm er, a member seemed likely to be mixed up in, they’d come and ask if we could help and if we could, we did. And we would do everything we can because we would store up brownie points……., and if I mean, that sounds a pretty, pretty nasty reason, but it’s one of the reasons because if we could get a chap out of trouble then, he will do as we ask forever more.""

I'd not heard that. Despite being quite cynical about the organisation of the various political parties, it still is a shocking read. What he is confessing to, of course, is bribery, corruption of the basest type.

We can also see, despite the precious hopes, or the hopes of the precious, that unless, for some strange reason, it has suddenly stopped, any government/HoC led enquiry will expose anything of value.

[XCP]

tenpenceshort said:

Just being curious; at this stage, what action would the government have needed to propose to have satisfied you?

This has been going on for decades, and will be covered up. I expect nothing more. My expectations are very low.

[Elroy Blue]

tenpenceshort said:

Just being curious; at this stage, what action would the government have needed to propose to have satisfied you?

What is astounding is the utter, utter hypocrisy of Politicians.

As a Police Officer I've had four years of them (helped along by contributors like yourself on this website) of being told I'm corrupt because of something that happened 25 years ago. May likes to trot out Hillsborough at every opportunity. Now it's Politicians committing utterly vile acts, it's suddenly 'stop looking for conspiracies'. May then stands up and announces that the focus of an enquiry will be everybody but the her own kind.

Odd how some very vocal Tory Politicians have suddenly gone very quiet.

Edited by Elroy Blue on Tuesday 8th July 10:00

[DJRC]

Derek Smith said:

I'd not heard that. Despite being quite cynical about the organisation of the various political parties, it still is a shocking read. What he is confessing to, of course, is bribery, corruption of the basest type.

We can also see, despite the precious hopes, or the hopes of the precious, that unless, for some strange reason, it has suddenly stopped, any government/HoC led enquiry will expose anything of value.

Its not shocking, its how the world works. I have power of you, do what I say or l fk you over.

[Digga]

DJRC said:

Derek Smith said:

I'd not heard that. Despite being quite cynical about the organisation of the various political parties, it still is a shocking read. What he is confessing to, of course, is bribery, corruption of the basest type.

We can also see, despite the precious hopes, or the hopes of the precious, that unless, for some strange reason, it has suddenly stopped, any government/HoC led enquiry will expose anything of value.

Its not shocking, its how the world works. I have power of you, do what I say or l fk you over.

^This, sadly.

The very interesting documentary about Arse Lancestron on TV last night was as poignant a reminder as any.

[Jasandjules]

This is very simple to me. Either rich and powerful MPs/Ex-MPs/Ministers etc get named, and jailed, or we have a whitewash.

[IroningMan]

tenpenceshort said:

Just being curious; at this stage, what action would the government have needed to propose to have satisfied you?

I'm keen to see this question receive a straight answer - I suspect I'll be waiting for a while, mind.

[Jasandjules]

IroningMan said:

I'm keen to see this question receive a straight answer - I suspect I'll be waiting for a while, mind.

It is not aimed at me but I would say

An enquiry without bounds. The investigator to be given access to anything and everything they want or need in order to ascertain whom is guilty of the crimes and who is responsible (and accordingly also guilty of a crime) for covering up. ANY restrictions will show very simply that they are continuing to hide and cover up.

Name them, jail them.

Nothing less will do for me.

[carinaman]

Perhaps this could set a precedence or sow a seed?:

http://order-order.com/2014/07/08/cross-party-coun...

[Elroy Blue]

David Mellor, David Davis, Theresa May...you've all had big mouths for the last four years. Comment on this:

Tory Chief Whip said

[number 46]

I hear that a certain tennis loving national treasure has recently become a citizen of Barbados, alledgely because he intends to spend more than a'summer holiday' there ???? One wonders if the extradition arrangements between Barbados and the UK may have had a bearing on his discision !!!!????

[carinaman]

So today some local rags will have a photo of a Teacher arrested for historic sex crimes against their pupils. If they were an MP, Lord or party donor they'd have until after the election to plot their escape or excuses.

[Dromedary66]

number 46 said:

I hear that a certain tennis loving national treasure has recently become a citizen of Barbados, alledgely because he intends to spend more than a'summer holiday' there ???? One wonders if the extradition arrangements between Barbados and the UK may have had a bearing on his discision !!!!????

It would come as no surprise to many that he has a predilection for the young ones.

[carinaman]

Dromedary66 said:

It would come as no surprise to many that he has a predilection for the young ones.

And young ones shouldn't be afraid........



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCywGhHQMEw