Discussion
Mr Snap said:
Lost soul said:
I think you will find that the Palestinians are the ones operating divide and rule on themselves 
Have you ever wondered why that might be the case? I think you'll find that you can't bothered to look at the bigger picture. come on tell me , am I wrong that they have divided themselves ?
Lost soul said:
beanbag said:
Perhaps I should have been more specific.
Gaza is akin to the Ghetto's the Nazi's set up for the Jews. They have little food, fresh running water, medical supplies and so forth. The Israeli's check and detain everything going in and out, even by sea. It's a brewing pot for extremism and it's little wonder why Hamas emerged from it all.
Maybe if they put more effort into smuggling food in instead of rockets there would be no problem Gaza is akin to the Ghetto's the Nazi's set up for the Jews. They have little food, fresh running water, medical supplies and so forth. The Israeli's check and detain everything going in and out, even by sea. It's a brewing pot for extremism and it's little wonder why Hamas emerged from it all.
It's all a reaction to a particular set of circumstances that Israel have laid the foundations for.
As I said before, it was one of the most disastrous moments in British history allowing the formation of Israel and "giving away" land for the formation of a country. It's wrong in every single way and once again how religion has ballsed up everything once again.
beanbag said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
beanbag said:
The way they treat Palestinians is nothing short on how Jewish people were persecuted during the Nazi era.
Errrr, actually, it's quite a long way short.
Gaza is akin to the Ghetto's the Nazi's set up for the Jews. They have little food, fresh running water, medical supplies and so forth. The Israeli's check and detain everything going in and out, even by sea. It's a brewing pot for extremism and it's little wonder why Hamas emerged from it all.
beanbag said:
Lost soul said:
beanbag said:
Perhaps I should have been more specific.
Gaza is akin to the Ghetto's the Nazi's set up for the Jews. They have little food, fresh running water, medical supplies and so forth. The Israeli's check and detain everything going in and out, even by sea. It's a brewing pot for extremism and it's little wonder why Hamas emerged from it all.
Maybe if they put more effort into smuggling food in instead of rockets there would be no problem Gaza is akin to the Ghetto's the Nazi's set up for the Jews. They have little food, fresh running water, medical supplies and so forth. The Israeli's check and detain everything going in and out, even by sea. It's a brewing pot for extremism and it's little wonder why Hamas emerged from it all.
Mr Snap said:
the Israeli's have left no stone unturned to undermine the foundation of a well run Palestinian state.
A Palestinian state would never be well run, regardless of Israeli input. It would be run like every other Arab state in the Middle East, either a crappy theocratic hellhole or a malignant absolute monarchy. Or some other form of repressive dictatorship. The only difference is that the Palestinians wouldn't have oil revenues to disguise the vileness of the regime. Lost soul said:
They virtually had their own state with their own government but what did they do , yes that's right they carried on bombing and firing rockets into Israel
That'll be when Israel was assassinating Hamas leaders pretty much at will because of its "inalienable right to defend itself".If you want an idea of Israel's attitude towards peace I would suggest you have a look at how many times Israel has announced new settlement building activity in the West Bank and how often this follows another peace intiative announcement (usually by the US).
Countdown said:
That'll be when Israel was assassinating Hamas leaders pretty much at will because of its "inalienable right to defend itself".
If you want an idea of Israel's attitude towards peace I would suggest you have a look at how many times Israel has announced new settlement building activity in the West Bank and how often this follows another peace intiative announcement (usually by the US).
Israel also arrested a whole bunch of Hamas MPs for being members of a terrorist organisation (not for any specific crime) in what appeared to be punishment for winning an election they were supposed to lose.If you want an idea of Israel's attitude towards peace I would suggest you have a look at how many times Israel has announced new settlement building activity in the West Bank and how often this follows another peace intiative announcement (usually by the US).
Countdown said:
That'll be when Israel was assassinating Hamas leaders pretty much at will because of its "inalienable right to defend itself".
If you want an idea of Israel's attitude towards peace I would suggest you have a look at how many times Israel has announced new settlement building activity in the West Bank and how often this follows another peace intiative announcement (usually by the US).
1, Hamas is a terrorist organisation If you want an idea of Israel's attitude towards peace I would suggest you have a look at how many times Israel has announced new settlement building activity in the West Bank and how often this follows another peace intiative announcement (usually by the US).
2, Israel has cleared settlements but this has made no difference , the Palestinians are never satisfied and continued to fire rockets into Israel
Lost soul said:
Am I wrong ?
come on tell me , am I wrong that they have divided themselves ?
Where did I say you were wrong? I said the reasons for the Palestinians internal divisions were due to external pressure from Israel. Maintaining a civil society isn't easy, even in the UK where we have relatively few external pressures, compared to Palestine, we still have problems. Palestine has suffered from repeated external attempts at destabilisation since the establishment of Israel. Under the same conditions civil society the UK would also fall apart. come on tell me , am I wrong that they have divided themselves ?
If you're arguing that all the problems in Palestine are down to the Palestinians alone, you're grievously misinformed.
Lost soul said:
Countdown said:
That'll be when Israel was assassinating Hamas leaders pretty much at will because of its "inalienable right to defend itself".
If you want an idea of Israel's attitude towards peace I would suggest you have a look at how many times Israel has announced new settlement building activity in the West Bank and how often this follows another peace intiative announcement (usually by the US).
1, Hamas is a terrorist organisation If you want an idea of Israel's attitude towards peace I would suggest you have a look at how many times Israel has announced new settlement building activity in the West Bank and how often this follows another peace intiative announcement (usually by the US).
2, Israel has cleared settlements but this has made no difference , the Palestinians are never satisfied and continued to fire rockets into Israel
2. Israel continues to allow settlements to spread and pays a blind eye to many. Clearing them is hardly useful as you could argue Israel are terrorists towards the Palestinians being cleared out of their homes as they are left without anything and are harassed, beaten and attacked by Jewish "settlers". Basically they are thugs who drive Palestinians out of their homes and land. How else do you think this works?
Mr Snap said:
Where did I say you were wrong? I said the reasons for the Palestinians internal divisions were due to external pressure from Israel. Maintaining a civil society isn't easy, even in the UK where we have relatively few external pressures, compared to Palestine, we still have problems. Palestine has suffered from repeated external attempts at destabilisation since the establishment of Israel. Under the same conditions civil society the UK would also fall apart.
If you're arguing that all the problems in Palestine are down to the Palestinians alone, you're grievously misinformed.
I am saying they divided themselves If you're arguing that all the problems in Palestine are down to the Palestinians alone, you're grievously misinformed.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/06/world/middleeast...
article says said:
In a statement late Wednesday, Israel’s housing minister, Uri Ariel, published bids for the construction of nearly 1,500 housing units in settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, calling them “an appropriate Zionist response to the establishment of the Palestinian terror government.” He said he believed this would be “just the beginning.” In addition, the authorities revived plans on Thursday for 1,800 more housing units.
If this isn't provocation, I don't know what is.franki68 said:
league67 said:
Why? Would that make this particular beating up more palatable? Do you go on every link posted in NPE adn ask posters to post every single 'comparable' event from around the world. AFter all it's only fair not to single out certain events.
somewhat missing the point.You've decided what events should be brought into the discussion. I extended your 'logical' request for inclusion of ALL events. That didn't work out that well, did it?
Facts remain, as much as you like to make them less grave by doing the usual; 'But what about all other things'. Those two filmed are unhinged thugs. And should be held to account. I doubt that that'll happen but I'd be very happy to be proven wrong.
You calling me biased rofl: 
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