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Blib said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
How about a nation based upon Judeo traditions allowing all races to immigrate in? One does not have to be Jewish to live in Israel. What made you say that?
You are kidding aren't you 
Do you realise that the "Right of Return" is one of the biggest sticking points in any peace treaty?
The problem is intractable. And, as a Catholic/Greek orthodox Fiat driver (I hope that's OK with you, CROYFT?), I'd like to know why the surrounding Arab states have corralled the poor benighted Palestinian refugees into fetid, inhumane camps since 1948?
Anyone?
Countdown said:
S 8 GRN said:
Jimbeaux said:
Art0ir said:
The Right in Western politics has always been staunchly Pro Israel (as it was Pro Apartheid South Africa and Pro Junta Dictatorships in South America), which is ironic given that Israel secretly helped the Argentinians during the Falklands war (even if the fighter planes arrived late).
If it is a secret, how did you find out about it?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387576/How...
Interesting to note what Reagan's preferred option was at the time, so much for the "Special Relationship".
Blib said:
And this makes any deal impossible.
The problem is intractable. And, as a Catholic/Greek orthodox Fiat driver (I hope that's OK with you, CROYFT?), I'd like to know why the surrounding Arab states have corralled the poor benighted Palestinian refugees into fetid, inhumane camps since 1948?
Anyone?
I'll give that a wild stab in the dark, if I may.The problem is intractable. And, as a Catholic/Greek orthodox Fiat driver (I hope that's OK with you, CROYFT?), I'd like to know why the surrounding Arab states have corralled the poor benighted Palestinian refugees into fetid, inhumane camps since 1948?
Anyone?
Most if not all the surrounding countries are dicatorships. They don't give much of a monkeys about the welfare of Palestinians. That being said bith lebanon and Jordan have absorbed large numbers of Palestinians and there are many Palestinians working as expats in the wider ME.
Secondly, the surrounding countries have fairly basic living standards and limited resources. It's difficult enough to provide for their "own" let alone several million refugees. They view the Palestinians in much the same way that we view the residents of Sangatte.
Countdown said:
S 8 GRN said:
Jimbeaux said:
Art0ir said:
The Right in Western politics has always been staunchly Pro Israel (as it was Pro Apartheid South Africa and Pro Junta Dictatorships in South America), which is ironic given that Israel secretly helped the Argentinians during the Falklands war (even if the fighter planes arrived late).
If it is a secret, how did you find out about it?http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1387576/How...
Interesting to note what Reagan's preferred option was at the time, so much for the "Special Relationship".
http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islan...
S 8 GRN said:
Your link said:
French support for us may not have been "picture-perfect" but the overall effect of the programme was to highlight how generally effective it had been. Certainly streets ahead of some of our other "allies".
The Belgians, for instance, refused to sell us artillery and small arms ammunition.
Israel's extensive support for Argentina during the war was laid out recently in startling detail by the Argentine journalist Hernan Dobry in his book Operation Israel: the Rearming of Argentina During the Dictatorship 1976-1983. Menachem Begin, then prime minister, did all he could to transport arms and equipment to Argentina because he hated the British so much. Apparently, in 1947 the British Mandatory authorities had (after due process and quite properly) hanged one of his terrorist chums.
But it's the attitude of the United States that still grates most of all. Their reluctance to support us against the Fascist Argentine Junta is well known.
The Belgians, for instance, refused to sell us artillery and small arms ammunition.
Israel's extensive support for Argentina during the war was laid out recently in startling detail by the Argentine journalist Hernan Dobry in his book Operation Israel: the Rearming of Argentina During the Dictatorship 1976-1983. Menachem Begin, then prime minister, did all he could to transport arms and equipment to Argentina because he hated the British so much. Apparently, in 1947 the British Mandatory authorities had (after due process and quite properly) hanged one of his terrorist chums.
But it's the attitude of the United States that still grates most of all. Their reluctance to support us against the Fascist Argentine Junta is well known.
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
And in the end he helped who with vital intel?
"In the end..." ?If Reagan hadn't been so keen on keeping his right-wing Junta chummies happy perhaps less British soldiers would have died?
Jimbeaux said:
Blib said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
How about a nation based upon Judeo traditions allowing all races to immigrate in? One does not have to be Jewish to live in Israel. What made you say that?
You are kidding aren't you Do you realise that the "Right of Return" is one of the biggest sticking points in any peace treaty?
The problem is intractable. And, as a Catholic/Greek orthodox Fiat driver (I hope that's OK with you, CROYFT?), I'd like to know why the surrounding Arab states have corralled the poor benighted Palestinian refugees into fetid, inhumane camps since 1948?
Anyone?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
Oh the silence is deafening....
Mojocvh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Blib said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
How about a nation based upon Judeo traditions allowing all races to immigrate in? One does not have to be Jewish to live in Israel. What made you say that?
You are kidding aren't you Do you realise that the "Right of Return" is one of the biggest sticking points in any peace treaty?
The problem is intractable. And, as a Catholic/Greek orthodox Fiat driver (I hope that's OK with you, CROYFT?), I'd like to know why the surrounding Arab states have corralled the poor benighted Palestinian refugees into fetid, inhumane camps since 1948?
Anyone?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
Oh the silence is deafening....
This is the most thoroughly depressing article I've read in a while: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/gaza-...
graun said:
Tomer Siyonov, 22, a friend of the dead soldier, who finished his own compulsory army service two months ago, drew deeply on a cigarette as the eulogies were delivered. "Hamas killed my friend; we need to kill them – not just the Hamas militants but all the people in Gaza," he said.
"What else should we do? Lose more friends? We don't have a choice – if we don't fight to the end, they will kill us."
...
"All of our people are united," said Gal Tuttnauer, 25, eating shawarma in the city centre. "Of course I'm against a ceasefire, we need to continue. Hamas needs to be wiped out, and that will take time."
...
Both men said they regretted Palestinian civilian casualties, but blamed Hamas rather than the Israeli army. "A lot of people were killed in Shujai'iya because Hamas uses them as human shields," said Tuttnauer, adding: "Palestinians don't care about human life, whereas we appreciate life. We want to live, they want to die."
...
In Haifa, a mixed city, an anti-war protest on the same day was confronted with rightwingers, chanting: "Death to Arabs". The city's Israeli-Arab deputy mayor and his son were beaten up.
...
Attempts by the right to pass laws which limit the capacity of pro-peace organisations and campaigners to operate effectively have also sapped the confidence of and support for the Israeli left.
Where do you even begin? Truly saddening."What else should we do? Lose more friends? We don't have a choice – if we don't fight to the end, they will kill us."
...
"All of our people are united," said Gal Tuttnauer, 25, eating shawarma in the city centre. "Of course I'm against a ceasefire, we need to continue. Hamas needs to be wiped out, and that will take time."
...
Both men said they regretted Palestinian civilian casualties, but blamed Hamas rather than the Israeli army. "A lot of people were killed in Shujai'iya because Hamas uses them as human shields," said Tuttnauer, adding: "Palestinians don't care about human life, whereas we appreciate life. We want to live, they want to die."
...
In Haifa, a mixed city, an anti-war protest on the same day was confronted with rightwingers, chanting: "Death to Arabs". The city's Israeli-Arab deputy mayor and his son were beaten up.
...
Attempts by the right to pass laws which limit the capacity of pro-peace organisations and campaigners to operate effectively have also sapped the confidence of and support for the Israeli left.
kitz said:
Apartheid state 552 refugees who love death 25
As the Germans found in Leningrad urban warfare in bombed out
cities can be costly .
Is it anti Semitic to ask if contributors with a dog in the fight
make it known ...
I don't think so. Is it anti-Muslim to ask the same the other way?As the Germans found in Leningrad urban warfare in bombed out
cities can be costly .
Is it anti Semitic to ask if contributors with a dog in the fight
make it known ...
kitz said:
Apartheid state 552 refugees who love death 25
As the Germans found in Leningrad urban warfare in bombed out
cities can be costly .
Is it anti Semitic to ask if contributors with a dog in the fight
make it known ...
Optional to disclose but do you believe a greater percentage of Muslims support Hamas than Jewish people supporting the offensive?As the Germans found in Leningrad urban warfare in bombed out
cities can be costly .
Is it anti Semitic to ask if contributors with a dog in the fight
make it known ...
Mojocvh said:
Possibly THE stupidest thing posted on PH this year...
in the meantime...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/isr...
"Ayelet Shaked of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to "little snakes."
"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”
The remarks are considered as a call for genocide as she declared that all Palestinians are Israel's enemies and must be killed. "
Jimbo, with "friends" like that you don't need enemies..
Just the sort of bin the meantime...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/isr...
"Ayelet Shaked of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to "little snakes."
"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”
The remarks are considered as a call for genocide as she declared that all Palestinians are Israel's enemies and must be killed. "
Jimbo, with "friends" like that you don't need enemies..
h that should have a couple of canisters of hydrogen cyanide stuck up her huge nose. Mojocvh said:
Possibly THE stupidest thing posted on PH this year...
in the meantime...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/isr...
"Ayelet Shaked of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to "little snakes."
"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”
The remarks are considered as a call for genocide as she declared that all Palestinians are Israel's enemies and must be killed. "
Jimbo, with "friends" like that you don't need enemies..
in the meantime...
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/07/16/371556/isr...
"Ayelet Shaked of the ultra-nationalist Jewish Home party called for the slaughter of Palestinian mothers who give birth to "little snakes."
"They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists," Shaked said, adding, "They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”
The remarks are considered as a call for genocide as she declared that all Palestinians are Israel's enemies and must be killed. "
Jimbo, with "friends" like that you don't need enemies..
Edited by Kinky on Tuesday 22 July 02:24
Jimbeaux said:
Mojocvh said:
Jimbeaux said:
Blib said:
Countdown said:
Jimbeaux said:
How about a nation based upon Judeo traditions allowing all races to immigrate in? One does not have to be Jewish to live in Israel. What made you say that?
You are kidding aren't you Do you realise that the "Right of Return" is one of the biggest sticking points in any peace treaty?
The problem is intractable. And, as a Catholic/Greek orthodox Fiat driver (I hope that's OK with you, CROYFT?), I'd like to know why the surrounding Arab states have corralled the poor benighted Palestinian refugees into fetid, inhumane camps since 1948?
Anyone?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...
Oh the silence is deafening....
Blib said:
And this makes any deal impossible.
The problem is intractable. And, as a Catholic/Greek orthodox Fiat driver (I hope that's OK with you, CROYFT?), I'd like to know why the surrounding Arab states have corralled the poor benighted Palestinian refugees into fetid, inhumane camps since 1948?
Anyone?
I'll bite.The problem is intractable. And, as a Catholic/Greek orthodox Fiat driver (I hope that's OK with you, CROYFT?), I'd like to know why the surrounding Arab states have corralled the poor benighted Palestinian refugees into fetid, inhumane camps since 1948?
Anyone?
For 66 years the Palestinian Arab refugee situation has been a political expression of Arab nationalist and religious grievances. It is a focus for the anger of neighbouring Arab nations. They leverage it in just about every negotiation with “the West”. They are also a convenient justification for perpetual terrorism. They facilitate the argument that terrorism is the result of an occupied and dislocated people acting out their victimhood. The surrounding Arab governments couldn't be happier keeping the refugee problem alive.
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