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Henry Siegman said:
The reason failure is foreordained is painfully obvious, if unacknowledged. Previous peace initiatives did not fail because the Israeli-Palestinian conflict uniquely defies solution. They failed because the overriding strategic goal of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and of most previous Israeli heads of state, has been and continues to be Israel’s permanent control of all of Palestine.
Funkycoldribena said:
It does dismay me quite how nonchalantly some supporters of the palestinians post on here in defence of people who do this sort of thing-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynchin...
Feel free to google the video and come back supporting the Palestinians (note Palestinians) who did this.
They're not posting in defence of that, though, are they? It's just more tit-for-tat whataboutery on your part.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynchin...
Feel free to google the video and come back supporting the Palestinians (note Palestinians) who did this.
For every such incident you raise, there will be one or more atrocities that Israel can be shown to have committed, then you can no doubt find more on the other side to fuel the fire in return, and so on ad nauseum.
What's the point? What are you attempting to do with your time and effort?
trashbat said:
Funkycoldribena said:
It does dismay me quite how nonchalantly some supporters of the palestinians post on here in defence of people who do this sort of thing-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynchin...
Feel free to google the video and come back supporting the Palestinians (note Palestinians) who did this.
They're not posting in defence of that, though, are they? It's just more tit-for-tat whataboutery on your part.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynchin...
Feel free to google the video and come back supporting the Palestinians (note Palestinians) who did this.
For every such incident you raise, there will be one or more atrocities that Israel can be shown to have committed, then you can no doubt find more on the other side to fuel the fire in return, and so on ad nauseum.
What's the point? What are you attempting to do with your time and effort?
Funkycoldribena said:
Exactly what I said earlier in the thread.Works both ways,except I used ad-finitum.Im just sick of people like VK trotting out the same old stuff, why shouldnt I counter?I keep hearing about the poor old Palestinians and how I should be weeping in my coffee,well sorry I have no sympathy for the likes of people who commit that sort of savagery.
Funkycoldribena said:
I keep hearing about the poor old Palestinians and how I should be weeping in my coffee, well sorry I have no sympathy for the likes of people who commit that sort of savagery.
What about the innocent children that have been killed. Do you not have any human emotions for them?s1962a said:
Funkycoldribena said:
I keep hearing about the poor old Palestinians and how I should be weeping in my coffee, well sorry I have no sympathy for the likes of people who commit that sort of savagery.
What about the innocent children that have been killed. Do you not have any human emotions for them?s1962a said:
Funkycoldribena said:
I keep hearing about the poor old Palestinians and how I should be weeping in my coffee, well sorry I have no sympathy for the likes of people who commit that sort of savagery.
What about the innocent children that have been killed. Do you not have any human emotions for them?I opened the paper yesterday to a picture of a 4 year old boy with an AK47...
How do you then class him?
Is he an innocent child?
Any society that used their own children as pawns like this is just outside of normal human behaviour, to then try and apply our morals and standards to them totally pointless.
coyft said:
Lost soul said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Exactly what I said earlier in the thread.Works both ways,except I used ad-finitum.Im just sick of people like VK trotting out the same old stuff, why shouldnt I counter?I keep hearing about the poor old Palestinians and how I should be weeping in my coffee,well sorry I have no sympathy for the likes of people who commit that sort of savagery.
Funkycoldribena said:
Exactly what I said earlier in the thread.Works both ways,except I used ad-finitum.Im just sick of people like VK trotting out the same old stuff, why shouldnt I counter?I keep hearing about the poor old Palestinians and how I should be weeping in my coffee,well sorry I have no sympathy for the likes of people who commit that sort of savagery.
Don't you think that's a fairly concise expression of racism? They're all the same?Mermaid said:
As I understand it, most Palestinians are Sunni Muslims. You would therefore expect the Saudis to support them ( e.g. Syria).
The US supports Israel.
An opportunity for a grand bargain somewhere? Or are the Palestinians just a "football" to kick around. What am I missing?
The Saudis just love themselves and never seem to go against Israel probably because of the US. Iran on the other hand (who are shia) supported the Palestinians even though they are sunni. They stopped the support in 2011 after Hamas etc were on the side of Israel, the US and UK when it came to Syria. Not sure if the support has been recommenced. The US supports Israel.
An opportunity for a grand bargain somewhere? Or are the Palestinians just a "football" to kick around. What am I missing?
Scuffers said:
Any society that used their own children as pawns like this is just outside of normal human behaviour, to then try and apply our morals and standards to them totally pointless.
As a civilised society you DO apply your morals and standards to them. Rules of war don't change because you want them to.Countdown said:
http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.557637#!
The interesting thing is your link is to Israeli newspaper. Henry Siegman said:
The reason failure is foreordained is painfully obvious, if unacknowledged. Previous peace initiatives did not fail because the Israeli-Palestinian conflict uniquely defies solution. They failed because the overriding strategic goal of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and of most previous Israeli heads of state, has been and continues to be Israel’s permanent control of all of Palestine.
When you can post a link to the Gaza Daily News saying that Hamas leaders continuing to lob missiles into Israel is causing needless suffering to the civilians in Gaza we will be making progress.
Mrr T said:
I do hate the Hamas supporters on here.
They spend all their time accusing Israel of crimes but ignore the fact the stated aim of Hamas is the destruction of Israel and the murder of every Jew.
If asked for a plan to stop the violence the limit to their ideas is Israel should stop retaliating.
They never accept that Hamas will never renounces violence.
Hamas supporters? Are you 'avin a laugh.They spend all their time accusing Israel of crimes but ignore the fact the stated aim of Hamas is the destruction of Israel and the murder of every Jew.
If asked for a plan to stop the violence the limit to their ideas is Israel should stop retaliating.
They never accept that Hamas will never renounces violence.
Mrr T said:
The interesting thing is your link is to Israeli newspaper.
When you can post a link to the Gaza Daily News saying that Hamas leaders continuing to lob missiles into Israel is causing needless suffering to the civilians in Gaza we will be making progress.
To be honest I don't follow your logic.When you can post a link to the Gaza Daily News saying that Hamas leaders continuing to lob missiles into Israel is causing needless suffering to the civilians in Gaza we will be making progress.
The link gives an explanation as to why there has been sod-all movement in the "Peace Process" over the last 60 odd years. It suggests that, despite paying lip service to the idea of peace, what Netanyahu really wants, and what the Zionists want, is "Greater Israel" The Palestinians can see this, I think most people in the world can see this, it's demonstrated regularly by Israel's actions and that's probably why the Palestinians resort to firing rockets at Israel. Because they feel they have no other option.
Another poster gave a good analogy; it's like a 16 stone adult continually slapping a 5 year old kid and when the kid tries to punch him back, using that as an excuse to beat seven bells out of him.
coyft said:
The same stuff? Should we just ignore children being massacred, whole families being murdered?
Should we just accept hospitals being bombed, it's bad enough putting them there in the first place, but to then bomb them, to make sure you finish them off! WTF.
The IIDF told people to leave their homes and go the district that the hospital was in. Forgive my language but please f
k off with your human shield propaganda bks. It's slaughter on a grand scale.
This ^Should we just accept hospitals being bombed, it's bad enough putting them there in the first place, but to then bomb them, to make sure you finish them off! WTF.
The IIDF told people to leave their homes and go the district that the hospital was in. Forgive my language but please f
k off with your human shield propaganda bks. It's slaughter on a grand scale.Massacre on the grandest scale.
How can ANYONE bomb a hospital? In fact not once, but 4 times. And to really mean business, they have bombed 1 other hospital too so that any possible survivors from the 1st hospital are dead for good!
The IDF 'claim' Hamas are firing rockets from these hospitals; where is the evidence? Very convenient for them to show video footage yesterday of a air strike killing some Hamas fighters who were using a tunnel; where is the video evidence or any evidence of these so called rockets launched from hospitals/schools and mosques?
These rockets (this is a genuine question) that Hamas are firing; anyone know if these are mobile or need machinery? If seen pictures of dumper trucks being converted; so if this how they operate, then how the hell do they get these on top of a hospital/school or mosque as IDF claim?
Funkycoldribena said:
coyft said:
Lost soul said:
Funkycoldribena said:
Exactly what I said earlier in the thread.Works both ways,except I used ad-finitum.Im just sick of people like VK trotting out the same old stuff, why shouldnt I counter?I keep hearing about the poor old Palestinians and how I should be weeping in my coffee,well sorry I have no sympathy for the likes of people who commit that sort of savagery.
Truth hurts I guess!
SR7492 said:
How can ANYONE bomb a hospital? In fact not once, but 4 times. And to really mean business, they have bombed 1 other hospital too so that any possible survivors from the 1st hospital are dead for good!
Then hamas need to stop operating from hospitals , schools , mosques its simple but they want civi casualties don't you people get it yet , they do not care about the population of gaza they see them as something only to be used
SR7492 said:
These rockets (this is a genuine question) that Hamas are firing; anyone know if these are mobile or need machinery? If seen pictures of dumper trucks being converted; so if this how they operate, then how the hell do they get these on top of a hospital/school or mosque as IDF claim?
For someone so vocal on this subject I do find it odd that you don't even know what Hamas are using.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff