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Has Israel been questioned directly why they will not allow innocent refugees to return to their own properties and land in Israel.
Assuming that all of the properties would have been financed (mortgages) why are the banks not taking back the asset and selling it on the open market with any surplus after paying the mortgage paid to the expelled.
What about those who had say cleared the mortgage on the day before they were kicked out of their own houses?
Assuming that all of the properties would have been financed (mortgages) why are the banks not taking back the asset and selling it on the open market with any surplus after paying the mortgage paid to the expelled.
What about those who had say cleared the mortgage on the day before they were kicked out of their own houses?
Qwert1e said:
Mr Snap said:
Israel is breeding terrorists in the camps of Gaza and on the slopes of the WB.
I suspect you are right. Which begs the question, "does Israel care?", to which I think the answer is, "no".
In the long run Israel cannot IMO win. It thinks it is winning when it goes out and destroys the homes and infrastructure of its supposed "enemies" but all it is doing is building its long term isolation. I fear the strategic significance of Iran/Iraq/Syria will eventually result in little Israel being seen as an embarrassment on the global stage.
Mermaid said:
Humanitarian truce soon.
If the Red Cross stick around.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-284504...
Mrr T said:
Allnighter you are entitled to your views as am I. we clearly disagree but such is life.
What I objected to in your post is that it contain not just opinion but alleged facts to support your opinion.
I then asked for references and you either did not provide them or linked to articles (all of which clearly had an anti Israel view point) which might quote the "fact" but gave no link to the original quotes.
I have nothing to prove I have not quoted any facts.
bla bla bla more ad hominem. I stand by everything I said and stated, and it's up to you to refute anything you do not agree with.That's how debates work. If you think those quotes are fabricated, then prove it.What I objected to in your post is that it contain not just opinion but alleged facts to support your opinion.
I then asked for references and you either did not provide them or linked to articles (all of which clearly had an anti Israel view point) which might quote the "fact" but gave no link to the original quotes.
I have nothing to prove I have not quoted any facts.
Simply stating that they can't be true (because it came from an anti-Israel site) is pure conjuncture on your part.
If you make a counter-claim, you need to back it up.
So I'am will waiting for your rebuttal stating where, when, how, and why?
Qwert1e said:
I suspect you are right.
Which begs the question, "does Israel care?", to which I think the answer is, "no".
In the long run Israel cannot IMO win. It thinks it is winning when it goes out and destroys the homes and infrastructure of its supposed "enemies" but all it is doing is building its long term isolation. I fear the strategic significance of Iran/Iraq/Syria will eventually result in little Israel being seen as an embarrassment on the global stage.
You've missed the mass murder and massacre the IDF are doing willy nilly.Which begs the question, "does Israel care?", to which I think the answer is, "no".
In the long run Israel cannot IMO win. It thinks it is winning when it goes out and destroys the homes and infrastructure of its supposed "enemies" but all it is doing is building its long term isolation. I fear the strategic significance of Iran/Iraq/Syria will eventually result in little Israel being seen as an embarrassment on the global stage.
As stated before and by many good posts, Israel doesn't care because, simply put, they want to 'wipe out' the Palestinians so they can have their Greater Jewish State.
Some people on here don't seem to grasp this stance by Israel and are on cloud cuckoo land to think otherwise (especially to defend the current murder and wider political stance)
allnighter said:
la bla bla more ad hominem. I stand by everything I said and stated, and it's up to you to refute anything you do not agree with.That's how debates work. If you think those quotes are fabricated, then prove it.
Simply stating that they can't be true (because it came from an anti-Israel site) is pure conjuncture on your part.
If you make a counter-claim, you need to back it up.
So I'am will waiting for your rebuttal stating where, when, how, and why?
Still haven't found that whiskey Allnighter . . . . . . . Still looking Simply stating that they can't be true (because it came from an anti-Israel site) is pure conjuncture on your part.
If you make a counter-claim, you need to back it up.
So I'am will waiting for your rebuttal stating where, when, how, and why?
SR7492 said:
allnighter said:
la bla bla more ad hominem. I stand by everything I said and stated, and it's up to you to refute anything you do not agree with.That's how debates work. If you think those quotes are fabricated, then prove it.
Simply stating that they can't be true (because it came from an anti-Israel site) is pure conjuncture on your part.
If you make a counter-claim, you need to back it up.
So I'am will waiting for your rebuttal stating where, when, how, and why?
Still haven't found that whiskey Allnighter . . . . . . . Still looking Simply stating that they can't be true (because it came from an anti-Israel site) is pure conjuncture on your part.
If you make a counter-claim, you need to back it up.
So I'am will waiting for your rebuttal stating where, when, how, and why?
Good job we're not in Saudi hey? Imagine that? Prove you haven't got a bottle of Whiskey in your garden or you will get locked up.... 
eharding said:
allnighter said:
Listen mate, you start saying Jewish, another one starts saying Muslim, then we end up deviating from the main topic discussed here and the whole thing will end up looking like a reggae band playing in a KKK annual meeting. So let's drop religion out of it please.
Boutros Boutros-Ghali, eat your heart out - Ban Ki-Moon, stroll on sunshine : We have a new generation of kick-arse UN Secretary-General on deck. Some say he drinks nothing but petrol, others are sure that he can only be killed by the Dark Lord Moderator.....but we know him as..the allnighter.
(Crowd goes wild)
...and there is me trying to be the ultimate anti-bigotry hero... and Mrr T called me a bigot. I guess I failed.
Edited by allnighter on Thursday 24th July 00:24
Mr_B said:
If the Red Cross stick around.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-284504...
Funny how this doesnt get a further mention...http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-284504...
Welshbeef said:
What about those who had say cleared the mortgage on the day before they were kicked out of their own houses?
Israel has laws which state that any properties or areas 'abandoned' pass onto the state who can do as they wish with them.http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=1220
BlackLabel said:
Israel has laws which state that any properties or areas 'abandoned' pass onto the state who can do as they wish with them.
http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=1220
Please take out 'abandoned' and put in 'stolen' then you've nailed it!http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=1220
Wait a minute . . . . Israel DOES want a 2 state solution, right?
BlackLabel said:
Welshbeef said:
What about those who had say cleared the mortgage on the day before they were kicked out of their own houses?
Israel has laws which state that any properties or areas 'abandoned' pass onto the state who can do as they wish with them.http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=1220
Imagine if you went on holiday came back to find someone living in your house driving your car enjoying your savings - hard luck its gone. How would you in that situation be appeased? All of your stuff back plus compensation and then criminal action on those who took your property - or market value for all the property paid to you (but you have to have a choice). You might have scattered family or children or wife's ashes in the properties garden as such you'd never want to sell regardless of any £ offered. What about these people?
Seriously what do they say to the banks who have mortgages on all of these properties? Rather than it go to the state surely it would stay in banks ownership. Why should shareholders accept the financial losses from the Israel situation?
Mr Snap said:
The majority of refugees did not come from Gaza, nor did their parent's or grandparents. The majority have come from land stolen since 1967. Look at the maps posted a few pages back.
Really like to see a source for this claim. I thought it was common knowledge that the residents of the Gaza strip are primarily those who left what became Israel in 1948, or their descendants. Welshbeef said:
They were forced out hence them being refugees and closed boarders preventing them to return.
Imagine if you went on holiday came back to find someone living in your house driving your car enjoying your savings - hard luck its gone. How would you in that situation be appeased? All of your stuff back plus compensation and then criminal action on those who took your property - or market value for all the property paid to you (but you have to have a choice). You might have scattered family or children or wife's ashes in the properties garden as such you'd never want to sell regardless of any £ offered. What about these people?
Seriously what do they say to the banks who have mortgages on all of these properties? Rather than it go to the state surely it would stay in banks ownership. Why should shareholders accept the financial losses from the Israel situation?
Be under no illusions, ethnic cleansing by other methods is still taking place - Imagine if you went on holiday came back to find someone living in your house driving your car enjoying your savings - hard luck its gone. How would you in that situation be appeased? All of your stuff back plus compensation and then criminal action on those who took your property - or market value for all the property paid to you (but you have to have a choice). You might have scattered family or children or wife's ashes in the properties garden as such you'd never want to sell regardless of any £ offered. What about these people?
Seriously what do they say to the banks who have mortgages on all of these properties? Rather than it go to the state surely it would stay in banks ownership. Why should shareholders accept the financial losses from the Israel situation?
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/palestinians-in-eas...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/18/jaffa...
http://www.loonwatch.com/2013/10/judaizing-jerusal...
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/discr...
JagLover said:
Mr Snap said:
The majority of refugees did not come from Gaza, nor did their parent's or grandparents. The majority have come from land stolen since 1967. Look at the maps posted a few pages back.
Really like to see a source for this claim. I thought it was common knowledge that the residents of the Gaza strip are primarily those who left what became Israel in 1948, or their descendants. Mr Snap said:
Be under no illusions, ethnic cleansing by other methods is still taking place -
http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/palestinians-in-eas...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/18/jaffa...
http://www.loonwatch.com/2013/10/judaizing-jerusal...
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/discr...
really?http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/palestinians-in-eas...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/18/jaffa...
http://www.loonwatch.com/2013/10/judaizing-jerusal...
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/discr...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewFW3EZsFIY&fe...
remind me again what genocide is?
Scuffers said:
Honestly, isn't it about time we got we wise to this sort of reporting? It's weak, embarrassing and should be consigned to history.
Why does the video say those protesters are anti-semitic? Why does it describe the protesters as, "... rather non-diverse crowd pass. Most of the women seem to be wearing headscarves or the burka...", which you can see is nonsense by simply looking at the f
king video. Why is each clip of the protest accompanised by captions like, "radical islamist" and "animosity"? I accept there will always be a slant when reporting on conflict but this is just blatant propoganda.
This is a good article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/israel...
I would say I'm one person who has only woken up to this conflict after bypassing the mainstream media, and I'm finally shocked by it.
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