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http://news.sky.com/story/1306469/hammond-west-los...
Hammond said:
"As this campaign goes on and the civilian casualties in Gaza mount, Western opinion is becoming more and more concerned and less and less sympathetic to Israel.
"That's simply a fact and I have to tell that to my Israeli counterparts."
"That's simply a fact and I have to tell that to my Israeli counterparts."
Guam said:
s1962a said:
This is wrong. Attacking a place of worship or innocent people is a deplorable act.
More reports are appearing, things in France and Germany appear to be getting pretty serious.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703594/Ha...
DM article said:
An anti-Israel demonstration at the French capital’s Bastille Square turned violent after protesters attacked a synagogue, trapping scores of people inside as police fought to protect them.
In response, 150 Jewish men were seen marching through Paris armed with iron bars seeking to confront pro-Palestinian groups. Then, a mob of Muslim youths reportedly shouting ‘Death to Jews’ and ‘Slit Jews’ throats’ ransacked and burned down a chemist owned by a Jewish family, as well as a kosher supermarket.
In response, 150 Jewish men were seen marching through Paris armed with iron bars seeking to confront pro-Palestinian groups. Then, a mob of Muslim youths reportedly shouting ‘Death to Jews’ and ‘Slit Jews’ throats’ ransacked and burned down a chemist owned by a Jewish family, as well as a kosher supermarket.
allnighter said:
Nazi Germany was a long time ago and that argument is wearing thin now, nations have moved on and we are all 'friends' now, and Israel needs to move with the times and stop using 'paranoia','self centredeness' as building blocks for a toxic relationship with others.
Well it was over only 3 years before the Arab exodus from the lands that became Israel so I am not sure why one is ancient history while the other is a recent historical wrong.allnighter] said:
No other country is associated with the terminology "Right to Exist" it's exclusive to Israel and it's a carte blanche to do what it wants. It's akin to the South African murdering diplomat's 'Diplomatic immunity!' in Lethal Weapons II, and this terminology needs to be 'revoked'.
It is very probable that the only future for any non-muslim minority in any country in the Middle-east is going to be the grave."Right to Exist" is therefore right to life, or at least to stay in the region where they grew up, and for a significant proportion, where their forbearers have always been.
Sometimes separation is the only way to end a conflict and if it was good enough for numerous other population movements around the same time, why shouldn't it be applied here?
Edited by JagLover on Thursday 24th July 13:05
Funkycoldribena said:
allnighter said:
ow is that worse than settlers stoning little Palestinian children going to school, or any other event that takes place under the dark could of conflict? Do settlers represent the mentality of a 'great swathe of the Israelis (not all)'????
What's that got to do with it?The Red Cross are helping them!!Now it's you that's looking rather stupid.
allnighter said:
avinalarf said:
Mr Snap and allnightwear.
I give up with you two.
How can a solution be found to this complex problem when you only wish to push your own myopic agendas.
You read my posts and then take points,out of context,
Carry on with your diatribe of hate,I'm out.
No agenda here I can assure you. I am just as critical of Hamas and neighbouring Arab states as I am of Israel.I give up with you two.
How can a solution be found to this complex problem when you only wish to push your own myopic agendas.
You read my posts and then take points,out of context,
Carry on with your diatribe of hate,I'm out.
No hate either, just love.
You need to work on that chip on your shoulder though, not everyone who disagrees with you is 'out to get you'.
Happy to have a constructive exchange of views.
Not happy to hear a one sided rant,with little or no regard to recent history.
JagLover said:
allnighter] said:
No other country is associated with the terminology "Right to Exist" it's exclusive to Israel and it's a carte blanche to do what it wants. It's akin to the South African murdering diplomat's 'Diplomatic immunity!' in Lethal Weapons II, and this terminology needs to be 'revoked'.
It is very probably that the only future for any non-muslim minority in any country in the Middle-east is going to be the grave."Right to Exist" is therefore right to life, or at least to stay in the region where they grew up, and for a significant proportion, where their forbearers have always been.
Edited by allnighter on Thursday 24th July 12:35
avinalarf said:
No chip.
Happy to have a constructive exchange of views.
Not happy to hear a one sided rant,with little or no regard to recent history.
Do not worry Mr Snap and Allnightwear have large enough chips for all of us. Happy to have a constructive exchange of views.
Not happy to hear a one sided rant,with little or no regard to recent history.
As you have already seen they really do not do debate. They announce what it right expect you to agree.
JagLover said:
Sometimes separation is the only way to end a conflict and if it was good enough for numerous other population movements around the same time, why shouldn't it be applied here?
Separation would work if there was a viable State for the Palestinians and there wasn't continuing territorial expansion by the Israelis.allnighter said:
trawman's argument again, get a bigger stick. It has everything to do with it and people on both sides,like I said, under the dark cloud of conflict, do stupid things, and which part of stupid don't you understand? Or are you being stupid?
No Im just not as blinkered as you.Mrr T said:
avinalarf said:
No chip.
Happy to have a constructive exchange of views.
Not happy to hear a one sided rant,with little or no regard to recent history.
Do not worry Mr Snap and Allnightwear have large enough chips for all of us. Happy to have a constructive exchange of views.
Not happy to hear a one sided rant,with little or no regard to recent history.
As you have already seen they really do not do debate. They announce what it right expect you to agree.
Funkycoldribena said:
allnighter said:
trawman's argument again, get a bigger stick. It has everything to do with it and people on both sides,like I said, under the dark cloud of conflict, do stupid things, and which part of stupid don't you understand? Or are you being stupid?
No Im just not as blinkered as you.avinalarf said:
allnighter said:
avinalarf said:
Mr Snap and allnightwear.
I give up with you two.
How can a solution be found to this complex problem when you only wish to push your own myopic agendas.
You read my posts and then take points,out of context,
Carry on with your diatribe of hate,I'm out.
No agenda here I can assure you. I am just as critical of Hamas and neighbouring Arab states as I am of Israel.I give up with you two.
How can a solution be found to this complex problem when you only wish to push your own myopic agendas.
You read my posts and then take points,out of context,
Carry on with your diatribe of hate,I'm out.
No hate either, just love.
You need to work on that chip on your shoulder though, not everyone who disagrees with you is 'out to get you'.
Happy to have a constructive exchange of views.
Not happy to hear a one sided rant,with little or no regard to recent history.
allnighter said:
Funkycoldribena said:
allnighter said:
trawman's argument again, get a bigger stick. It has everything to do with it and people on both sides,like I said, under the dark cloud of conflict, do stupid things, and which part of stupid don't you understand? Or are you being stupid?
No Im just not as blinkered as you.Funkycoldribena said:
allnighter said:
Funkycoldribena said:
allnighter said:
trawman's argument again, get a bigger stick. It has everything to do with it and people on both sides,like I said, under the dark cloud of conflict, do stupid things, and which part of stupid don't you understand? Or are you being stupid?
No Im just not as blinkered as you.s1962a said:
Any ban on free speech should be condemned. Perhaps you can also post the link to Hamas promoting free speech,
Mrr T said:
Mr Snap said:
Mrr T said:
No but you might still be racist.
Please explain.So what ever answers some one might give would not define if they you where or where not racist.
You're quite literally saying that it doesn't matter that the Israelis have killed 700 innocent civilians because there have probably been 3,000 babies born to replace them. If you are unable to see that this is a vile juxtaposition, suggesting that Gazan deaths don't count because of their birth rate - an implication that most people would interpret as out and out racism - you're a greater fool than I thought.
I responded by asking...
Is it ok to kill people because they breed quickly?
Is it racist to hold this opinion?
The second question is linked to the first. You can tell this because of the way it's phrased; In precisely the same way I linked the last two sentences. Not only was the question obvious, I actually gave you a get out. You could have said "No, I didn't mean it that way." But no, you ploughed on accusing me of racism saying:
"You asked a series of questions none of which had anything to do with racism.
So what ever answers some one might give would not define if they you where or where not racist."
Even if I ignore the fact that your words are grammatically meaningless, your statement proves you simply couldn't understand what had passed before; or that you were again trying to divert attention from another of your ridiculous - and this time possibly racist - statements.
Attempting to accuse me of racism in return is a bit rich. My family are Jews. Both Adolph Hitler and The State of Israel would classify me as a Jew. I even have the "right of return" myself. Think about that. Although born in the UK and none of my family have any affiliations with Israel whatsoever, I only have to turn up at Tel-Aviv to get more rights in Israel than some poor bloody Palestinian whose family have lived in Jerusalem for over 500 years and who was thrown out of his home in last week.
s1962a said:
Guam said:
s1962a said:
This is wrong. Attacking a place of worship or innocent people is a deplorable act.
More reports are appearing, things in France and Germany appear to be getting pretty serious.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703594/Ha...
DM article said:
An anti-Israel demonstration at the French capital’s Bastille Square turned violent after protesters attacked a synagogue, trapping scores of people inside as police fought to protect them.
In response, 150 Jewish men were seen marching through Paris armed with iron bars seeking to confront pro-Palestinian groups. Then, a mob of Muslim youths reportedly shouting ‘Death to Jews’ and ‘Slit Jews’ throats’ ransacked and burned down a chemist owned by a Jewish family, as well as a kosher supermarket.
In response, 150 Jewish men were seen marching through Paris armed with iron bars seeking to confront pro-Palestinian groups. Then, a mob of Muslim youths reportedly shouting ‘Death to Jews’ and ‘Slit Jews’ throats’ ransacked and burned down a chemist owned by a Jewish family, as well as a kosher supermarket.
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