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s1962a

5,314 posts

162 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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http://news.sky.com/story/1306469/hammond-west-los...

Hammond said:
"As this campaign goes on and the civilian casualties in Gaza mount, Western opinion is becoming more and more concerned and less and less sympathetic to Israel.

"That's simply a fact and I have to tell that to my Israeli counterparts."

s1962a

5,314 posts

162 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Guam said:
s1962a said:
This is wrong. Attacking a place of worship or innocent people is a deplorable act.
More reports are appearing, things in France and Germany appear to be getting pretty serious.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703594/Ha...
Oh dear, the tit for tat violence is not good.

DM article said:
An anti-Israel demonstration at the French capital’s Bastille Square turned violent after protesters attacked a synagogue, trapping scores of people inside as police fought to protect them.
In response, 150 Jewish men were seen marching through Paris armed with iron bars seeking to confront pro-Palestinian groups. Then, a mob of Muslim youths reportedly shouting ‘Death to Jews’ and ‘Slit Jews’ throats’ ransacked and burned down a chemist owned by a Jewish family, as well as a kosher supermarket.

JagLover

42,409 posts

235 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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allnighter said:
Nazi Germany was a long time ago and that argument is wearing thin now, nations have moved on and we are all 'friends' now, and Israel needs to move with the times and stop using 'paranoia','self centredeness' as building blocks for a toxic relationship with others.
Well it was over only 3 years before the Arab exodus from the lands that became Israel so I am not sure why one is ancient history while the other is a recent historical wrong.


JagLover

42,409 posts

235 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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allnighter] said:
No other country is associated with the terminology "Right to Exist" it's exclusive to Israel and it's a carte blanche to do what it wants. It's akin to the South African murdering diplomat's 'Diplomatic immunity!' in Lethal Weapons II, and this terminology needs to be 'revoked'.
It is very probable that the only future for any non-muslim minority in any country in the Middle-east is going to be the grave.
"Right to Exist" is therefore right to life, or at least to stay in the region where they grew up, and for a significant proportion, where their forbearers have always been.

Sometimes separation is the only way to end a conflict and if it was good enough for numerous other population movements around the same time, why shouldn't it be applied here?




Edited by JagLover on Thursday 24th July 13:05

allnighter

6,663 posts

222 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Funkycoldribena said:
allnighter said:
ow is that worse than settlers stoning little Palestinian children going to school, or any other event that takes place under the dark could of conflict? Do settlers represent the mentality of a 'great swathe of the Israelis (not all)'????
What's that got to do with it?The Red Cross are helping them!!
Now it's you that's looking rather stupid.
Strawman's argument again, get a bigger stick. It has everything to do with it and people on both sides,like I said, under the dark cloud of conflict, do stupid things, and which part of stupid don't you understand? Or are you being stupid?

avinalarf

6,438 posts

142 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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allnighter said:
avinalarf said:
Mr Snap and allnightwear.
I give up with you two.
How can a solution be found to this complex problem when you only wish to push your own myopic agendas.
You read my posts and then take points,out of context,
Carry on with your diatribe of hate,I'm out.
No agenda here I can assure you. I am just as critical of Hamas and neighbouring Arab states as I am of Israel.
No hate either, just love.
You need to work on that chip on your shoulder though, not everyone who disagrees with you is 'out to get you'.
No chip.
Happy to have a constructive exchange of views.
Not happy to hear a one sided rant,with little or no regard to recent history.

s1962a

5,314 posts

162 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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allnighter

6,663 posts

222 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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JagLover said:
allnighter] said:
No other country is associated with the terminology "Right to Exist" it's exclusive to Israel and it's a carte blanche to do what it wants. It's akin to the South African murdering diplomat's 'Diplomatic immunity!' in Lethal Weapons II, and this terminology needs to be 'revoked'.
It is very probably that the only future for any non-muslim minority in any country in the Middle-east is going to be the grave.
"Right to Exist" is therefore right to life, or at least to stay in the region where they grew up, and for a significant proportion, where their forbearers have always been.
I agree that 'The right to exist' can only be attributed to 'people'. The terminology is synonymous with the right to self-determination and the right to life as you well put it in the context you conveyed above. however, I have a problem with it when it's attributed exclusively to Israel. Nations don't have rights so to speak or a 'right to exist', only people do.


Edited by allnighter on Thursday 24th July 12:35

Mrr T

12,229 posts

265 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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avinalarf said:
No chip.
Happy to have a constructive exchange of views.
Not happy to hear a one sided rant,with little or no regard to recent history.
Do not worry Mr Snap and Allnightwear have large enough chips for all of us.

As you have already seen they really do not do debate. They announce what it right expect you to agree.

Countdown

39,885 posts

196 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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JagLover said:
Sometimes separation is the only way to end a conflict and if it was good enough for numerous other population movements around the same time, why shouldn't it be applied here?
Separation would work if there was a viable State for the Palestinians and there wasn't continuing territorial expansion by the Israelis.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

154 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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allnighter said:
trawman's argument again, get a bigger stick. It has everything to do with it and people on both sides,like I said, under the dark cloud of conflict, do stupid things, and which part of stupid don't you understand? Or are you being stupid?
No Im just not as blinkered as you.

allnighter

6,663 posts

222 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Mrr T said:
avinalarf said:
No chip.
Happy to have a constructive exchange of views.
Not happy to hear a one sided rant,with little or no regard to recent history.
Do not worry Mr Snap and Allnightwear have large enough chips for all of us.

As you have already seen they really do not do debate. They announce what it right expect you to agree.
Grow up!

allnighter

6,663 posts

222 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Funkycoldribena said:
allnighter said:
trawman's argument again, get a bigger stick. It has everything to do with it and people on both sides,like I said, under the dark cloud of conflict, do stupid things, and which part of stupid don't you understand? Or are you being stupid?
No Im just not as blinkered as you.
Pathetic! How is it blinkered to call the action of those individuals who attacked the red cross ambulance stupid? You really ARE stupid aren't you?

allnighter

6,663 posts

222 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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avinalarf said:
allnighter said:
avinalarf said:
Mr Snap and allnightwear.
I give up with you two.
How can a solution be found to this complex problem when you only wish to push your own myopic agendas.
You read my posts and then take points,out of context,
Carry on with your diatribe of hate,I'm out.
No agenda here I can assure you. I am just as critical of Hamas and neighbouring Arab states as I am of Israel.
No hate either, just love.
You need to work on that chip on your shoulder though, not everyone who disagrees with you is 'out to get you'.
No chip.
Happy to have a constructive exchange of views.
Not happy to hear a one sided rant,with little or no regard to recent history.
Well usually both sides have a 'rant', and throughout the debate there 'can be' a constructive exchange. Recent history can be interpreted from different perspectives and that's what makes it an interesting debate sometimes.

Funkycoldribena

7,379 posts

154 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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allnighter said:
Funkycoldribena said:
allnighter said:
trawman's argument again, get a bigger stick. It has everything to do with it and people on both sides,like I said, under the dark cloud of conflict, do stupid things, and which part of stupid don't you understand? Or are you being stupid?
No Im just not as blinkered as you.
Pathetic! How is it blinkered to call the action of those individuals who attacked the red cross ambulance stupid? You really ARE stupid aren't you?
There really is no point in conversing with you,you knew exactly what I meant.

s1962a

5,314 posts

162 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Did someone mention free speech in Israel?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/israe...

allnighter

6,663 posts

222 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Funkycoldribena said:
allnighter said:
Funkycoldribena said:
allnighter said:
trawman's argument again, get a bigger stick. It has everything to do with it and people on both sides,like I said, under the dark cloud of conflict, do stupid things, and which part of stupid don't you understand? Or are you being stupid?
No Im just not as blinkered as you.
Pathetic! How is it blinkered to call the action of those individuals who attacked the red cross ambulance stupid? You really ARE stupid aren't you?
There really is no point in conversing with you,you knew exactly what I meant.
No, please go ahead, enlighten me, I am all ears, I am blinkered because?

Mrr T

12,229 posts

265 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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s1962a said:
Did someone mention free speech in Israel?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/24/israe...
Any ban on free speech should be condemned.

Perhaps you can also post the link to Hamas promoting free speech,

Mr Snap

2,364 posts

157 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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Mrr T said:
Mr Snap said:
Mrr T said:
No but you might still be racist.
Please explain.
You asked a series of questions none of which had anything to do with racism.

So what ever answers some one might give would not define if they you where or where not racist.
A few pages back you said "Lets do the numbers. The current ground incursion has been going on 16 days. The previous shelling was about 10 days. So in 26 days the Israel's have killed about 700 civilians. Based on Wiki population figures (1.8M) and birth rates (2.4%) in Gaza in the last 26 days 3,000 babies will have been born."

You're quite literally saying that it doesn't matter that the Israelis have killed 700 innocent civilians because there have probably been 3,000 babies born to replace them. If you are unable to see that this is a vile juxtaposition, suggesting that Gazan deaths don't count because of their birth rate - an implication that most people would interpret as out and out racism - you're a greater fool than I thought.

I responded by asking...
Is it ok to kill people because they breed quickly?
Is it racist to hold this opinion?

The second question is linked to the first. You can tell this because of the way it's phrased; In precisely the same way I linked the last two sentences. Not only was the question obvious, I actually gave you a get out. You could have said "No, I didn't mean it that way." But no, you ploughed on accusing me of racism saying:

"You asked a series of questions none of which had anything to do with racism.
So what ever answers some one might give would not define if they you where or where not racist."

Even if I ignore the fact that your words are grammatically meaningless, your statement proves you simply couldn't understand what had passed before; or that you were again trying to divert attention from another of your ridiculous - and this time possibly racist - statements.

Attempting to accuse me of racism in return is a bit rich. My family are Jews. Both Adolph Hitler and The State of Israel would classify me as a Jew. I even have the "right of return" myself. Think about that. Although born in the UK and none of my family have any affiliations with Israel whatsoever, I only have to turn up at Tel-Aviv to get more rights in Israel than some poor bloody Palestinian whose family have lived in Jerusalem for over 500 years and who was thrown out of his home in last week.






Mr Snap

2,364 posts

157 months

Thursday 24th July 2014
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s1962a said:
Guam said:
s1962a said:
This is wrong. Attacking a place of worship or innocent people is a deplorable act.
More reports are appearing, things in France and Germany appear to be getting pretty serious.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2703594/Ha...
Oh dear, the tit for tat violence is not good.

DM article said:
An anti-Israel demonstration at the French capital’s Bastille Square turned violent after protesters attacked a synagogue, trapping scores of people inside as police fought to protect them.
In response, 150 Jewish men were seen marching through Paris armed with iron bars seeking to confront pro-Palestinian groups. Then, a mob of Muslim youths reportedly shouting ‘Death to Jews’ and ‘Slit Jews’ throats’ ransacked and burned down a chemist owned by a Jewish family, as well as a kosher supermarket.
Anti-semitism is to be deplored. But anyone who thinks that anti-semitism in France is a new thing isn't very familiar with the French. Anti-semitism is rife, even amongst the middle-class well educated.