Israeli

[Scuffers]

Jasandjules said:

What I find odd is that years ago I would have supported Israel. But now I am not sure they are remotely in the right. Too many rockets being indiscriminately fired into civilian areas for my liking. When hospitals are hit, they are not in a position to take a moral stance.

but then you have to take a few steps back and look at the bigger picture...

it's all well and good going on about the casualties of Gaza, but whichever way you cut it, the problem is primarily Hamas, over history, there have been many moments when deals could have been done, and the reason they have not is always the same.

Yes, any death is terrible, but you have to put this all in context, more people are being killed every day by extremists in Iraq, Syria, etc. but for some reason, that's OK?

I just flicked into the BBC news site to be greeted by this headline:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-284664...

Isis 'orders female genital mutilation' for women in Mosul

at which point you realise just how backward and barbaric the islamic nutjobs are, and these are the same nut-jobs as Hamas broadly.

[FredClogs]

Scuffers said:

Isis 'orders female genital mutilation' for women in Mosul

at which point you realise just how backward and barbaric the islamic nutjobs are, and these are the same nut-jobs as Hamas broadly.

And you're broadly the same as Jimmy Saville

[Scuffers]

FredClogs said:

Scuffers said:

Isis 'orders female genital mutilation' for women in Mosul

at which point you realise just how backward and barbaric the islamic nutjobs are, and these are the same nut-jobs as Hamas broadly.

And you're broadly the same as Jimmy Saville

I actually find that remark highly offencive on several levels.

either justify how this is in any way true/relevant or appologise.

[s1962a]

I thought this was the Israel/Gaza thread??

[Scuffers]

s1962a said:

I thought this was the Isreal/Gaza thread??

well, it is, but to ignore the support and influences on Hamas by other nut-jobs in the region would be somewhat remiss don't you think?

Hamas are fighting in Syria with Isis are they not?

do they not share the same visions?

[Rocksteadyeddie]

Scuffers said:

FredClogs said:

Scuffers said:

Isis 'orders female genital mutilation' for women in Mosul

at which point you realise just how backward and barbaric the islamic nutjobs are, and these are the same nut-jobs as Hamas broadly.

And you're broadly the same as Jimmy Saville

I actually find that remark highly offencive on several levels.

either justify how this is in any way true/relevant or appologise.

As a general rule in life never get offended. And certainly never get offended on the internet.

[NISMOgtr]

FredClogs said:

Scuffers said:

Isis 'orders female genital mutilation' for women in Mosul

at which point you realise just how backward and barbaric the islamic nutjobs are, and these are the same nut-jobs as Hamas broadly.

And you're broadly the same as Jimmy Saville

lol

[anonymous-user]

The Israelis have just shelled a UN run school killing 15 people including a baby.

http://news.sky.com/story/1306832/israeli-tank-she...

[s1962a]

Scuffers said:

s1962a said:

I thought this was the Isreal/Gaza thread??

well, it is, but to ignore the support and influences on Hamas by other nut-jobs in the region would be somewhat remiss don't you think?

Hamas are fighting in Syria with Isis are they not?

do they not share the same visions?

Err.. for the last however many pages we have been discussing the Israel/Gaza conflict, and how Israel does not represent Jews (but Jews live in Israel), just as Hamas does not represent muslims (but muslims live in Gaza). If ISIS have lobbed rockets into Israel, or have supplied arms to Hamas (show some evidence), then it's relevant. Otherwise nice derailment.

[s1962a]

NinjaPower said:

The Israelis have just shelled a UN run school killing 15 people including a baby.

http://news.sky.com/story/1306832/israeli-tank-she...

article said:

The facility was being used as a shelter by hundreds of Palestinians who had fled their homes since Israel began airstrikes two weeks ago, saying they were in retaliation for rocket attacks by Hamas fighters.

[league67]

s1962a said:

I thought this was the Israel/Gaza thread??

It is. Scuffers probably went to 1/2 day PR course organized by someone equally clever, where the stock reply to any criticism is (sound of 8 ball shaking);

• You is racist
• You is holocaust denier
• Hamas was hiding rockets at school/hospital/care home (insert as appropriate).
• Yes, it's sad but what about <insert random atrocity just about here>.

Simple instructions for simple people.

[Scuffers]

league67 said:

s1962a said:

I thought this was the Israel/Gaza thread??

It is. Scuffers probably went to 1/2 day PR course organized by someone equally clever, where the stock reply to any criticism is (sound of 8 ball shaking);

• You is racist
• You is holocaust denier
• Hamas was hiding rockets at school/hospital/care home (insert as appropriate).
• Yes, it's sad but what about <insert random atrocity just about here>.

Simple instructions for simple people.

not at all, but to try and deny that there is any relationship between the nut-jobs is just naive

no, this does not make you a racist or a holocaust denier.

your point about hiding rockets in a UN school is somewhat late though:

http://news.sky.com/story/1306475/rockets-stored-i...

so, that's two loads of rockets found by the UN (and subsequently 'lost') in UN schools

[Mrr T]

s1962a said:

Thank you for being impartial in your response. Just to make my position clear, I am no advocate of Hamas, and I have no ill thoughts against Israel, apart from it's behaviour during this conflict, which in my mind is disproportionate - especially with the sheer number of children being killed.

The question I have asked every one who says that is "what should Israel do? just sit there and let them lob missiles".
Was, Horishima correct, Nagasaki, The Dresden fire bombing, Mer-el-Kiber, the pre D Days bombing and shelling of targets in France, the concentration camps in the Boar war?
War is hell.

s1962a said:

One of your posts earlier where you compared the death of children to the birthrate I thought was quite ill advised, and not like your usual posting, which I do hope you read through to vet before hitting submit.

I posted because SR7492 had posted.
"Israel doesn't care because, simply put, they want to 'wipe out' the Palestinians so they can have their Greater Jewish State"

Maybe not mine finest hour but better than most of Frankie Boyle's material.

s1962a said:

I read some reports that some government officials in Israel wanted to ban Al Jazaeera due to it's 'biased reporting' and now this advert naming some of the children killed is also being banned. Not really bastians for free speech in a major democracy is it?

I agree. Unfortunately, as they say the first causality of war is truth. The Israeli media sill remains free compared to the media in the UK during both world wars.

[durbster]

Mrr T said:

s1962a said:

Thank you for being impartial in your response. Just to make my position clear, I am no advocate of Hamas, and I have no ill thoughts against Israel, apart from it's behaviour during this conflict, which in my mind is disproportionate - especially with the sheer number of children being killed.

The question I have asked every one who says that is "what should Israel do? just sit there and let them lob missiles".

Treat the rocket launches as a crime. Perhaps use some kind of lawful arrest, trial and punishment system? You know, the things that modern, civilised democracies are supposed to do.

The current Israeli response is like locking your neighbours in their house and burning it down because their kid launched a firework that landed in your garden.

[FredClogs]

Scuffers said:

FredClogs said:

Scuffers said:

Isis 'orders female genital mutilation' for women in Mosul

at which point you realise just how backward and barbaric the islamic nutjobs are, and these are the same nut-jobs as Hamas broadly.

And you're broadly the same as Jimmy Saville

I actually find that remark highly offencive on several levels.

either justify how this is in any way true/relevant or appologise.

Now then, now then... Guilt by association innit, I mean you've got two eyes haven't you? Probably been to Yorkshire, haven't... See I told you, you're the same... broadly.

[Scuffers]

FredClogs said:

Now then, now then... Guilt by association innit, I mean you've got two eyes haven't you? Probably been to Yorkshire, haven't... See I told you, you're the same... broadly.

pathetic, just pathetic.

[s1962a]

durbster said:

Mrr T said:

s1962a said:

Thank you for being impartial in your response. Just to make my position clear, I am no advocate of Hamas, and I have no ill thoughts against Israel, apart from it's behaviour during this conflict, which in my mind is disproportionate - especially with the sheer number of children being killed.

The question I have asked every one who says that is "what should Israel do? just sit there and let them lob missiles".

Treat the rocket launches as a crime. Perhaps use some kind of lawful arrest, trial and punishment system? You know, the things that modern, civilised democracies are supposed to do.

The current Israeli response is like locking your neighbours in their house and burning it down because their kid launched a firework that landed in your garden.

My suggestion to stop the rocket fire, and this is based on what I have read and some very informative posts on PH

- Ease restrictions on Gaza and open borders. Implement customs control to only restrict weapons and arms
- Give the palestinians in Gaza the opportunity to trade, educate themselves, and live their lives
- Hamas would then have less and less support

[Mrr T]

durbster said:

Mrr T said:

s1962a said:

Thank you for being impartial in your response. Just to make my position clear, I am no advocate of Hamas, and I have no ill thoughts against Israel, apart from it's behaviour during this conflict, which in my mind is disproportionate - especially with the sheer number of children being killed.

The question I have asked every one who says that is "what should Israel do? just sit there and let them lob missiles".

Treat the rocket launches as a crime. Perhaps use some kind of lawful arrest, trial and punishment system? You know, the things that modern, civilised democracies are supposed to do.

The current Israeli response is like locking your neighbours in their house and burning it down because their kid launched a firework that landed in your garden.

How would that work? Are you suggesting Hamas might arrest their own men and put them on trial for following orders.

To carry out a police operation Israel would need reinvade Gaza establish complete control and put 1,000's of police and troops in Gaza. Offering 1,000's of targets for Hamas suicide bombers.

In case you so not know the difference a firework explodes in the air (hopefully) and sprays out lots of petty colours. A missile hits the ground with bit bang.

Please get real.

[JagLover]

durbster said:

Treat the rocket launches as a crime. Perhaps use some kind of lawful arrest, trial and punishment system? You know, the things that modern, civilised democracies are supposed to do.

The current Israeli response is like locking your neighbours in their house and burning it down because their kid launched a firework that landed in your garden.

You do know the difference between war and Dixon of dock green?

How is Israel supposed to arrest people in a territory it does not control.

[Chlamydia]

Posters here broadly break down into two categories - the "Israel can do no wrong" group and the "the Palestinians can do no wrong" group. Pointing out that both sides are busy slaughtering each other serves no purpose as someone will be along to say that "it's Israel's fault because of..." or "it's Hamas' fault because of...".
Is Israel killing innocent civilians along with the targeted terrorists? Yes. Are the Palestinians killing innocent civilians along with the targeted... well actually civilians seem to BE their targets, but again, yes.
The only difference seems to be that the Israelis are having more success than the Palestinians.

In my case I think the only acceptable level of casualties on both sides would be zero, but it isn't going to happen and this thread is an example of why, because someone will come along and say, "But the Israelis did X", or, "But the Palestinians did Y". fk off! The deaths on BOTH sides are unacceptable, there are no ifs, buts or maybes.