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[Art0ir]

Grumfutock said:

Art0ir said:

The IRA were defeated not because they were outsmarted or beaten by force, but because the local population grew tired of them.

Edited by Art0ir on Friday 25th July 20:06

Read your history. They never gave a flying fk about the locals and they ruled them with gangster like terror.

If the locals are tired of them then explain why they are still active? Bombings, knee capping and weapon finds still very common place.

I've lived in Northern Ireland all my life. I'm well aware how they operated which is why I can see the similarities with Hamas.

As for the few dozen Marxist nut jobs still intent on dragging us back to the 70s, it is your sir that needs to do some reading about their support.

[Mr Snap]

allnighter said:

ate, I think we have already sussed him out to be the kind of masochist who likes to be reduced to small pebbles so he can live eternally at the bottom of the ocean. He loves the attention you are giving him. Don't feed the troll and file him under ignore.

BTW poor s1962a is still looking for the damn proof the Whiskey bottle wasn't in his garden.... or was it? I am confused! :P

But he keeps lobbing these completely ineffectual little rockets at me and I have the right to defend myself...






(Would that be -100% proof whisky?)

[Art0ir]

The Israeli Police's Foreign spokesman has now told reporters that the kidnapping of the three Israeli teens that sparked the latest conflict was not carried out by Hamas, but ex Hamas members who were unhappy with Hamas selling out to Israel by agreeing to the unity government with Fatah (which in turn meant recognising Israel's right to exist and an end to violence).

[kitz]

The IRA won or at least had a draw when they bombed
Manchester and canary wharf
2 bombs that cost billions ...
The locals gave them stunning success in recent elections ..
Just for the record ......

[kitz]

Absolutely sorry .. Just realised I have fallen
Into the trap ...

[Pappa Lurve]

So, about the tiny detail of Hamas placing a condition controlled by Egypt on Israel.... still waiting...

And for those who dismiss the rocket attacks in Israel as nothing much, try living with them day in day out. And then respond to my comments on civil defence, or indeed ANY of the comments I took the time to make.

[avinalarf]

-Z- said:

avinalarf said:

When you start discussing how many Shia murder Sunnii and Sunni murder Shia, or post your feelings about the 200 innocent girls kidnapped by Boko Haram or all the other atrocities visited upon Muslim by Muslim.
When you march in the capitals of European cities demonstrating about all that ,maybe then I would be more interested in what you have to comment.
When you post comments and statistics put it into context.

That's st as well and is perpetrated by fking idiots, but I lump the Israeli government into that same group of anti-human behavior.

Seems we have made some headway,that's very good.
I mean that and I am not being patronising.
I feel that the Palestinians have had a raw deal, but we are where we are.
History is full of people that,through no fault of their own,have had a raw deal.
Many move on ,retrench and make the best of it.
I think that the loss of innocent Palestinian and Israeli lives is wrong.
But,let's not pretend that this latest fighting and bloodshed is solely the fault of Israel,and let's put it into the context of the overall Arab/ Israeli struggle.,
I want as just and fair a peace as possible.
This will not be achieved by the vicious bile that's been posted on here.
A final settlement will require a land for peace deal by the Israelis.
This topic would be more constructive if we discussed how that might be achieved.
There is good and bad on both sides.

[-Z-]

Pappa Lurve said:

So, about the tiny detail of Hamas placing a condition controlled by Egypt on Israel.... still waiting...

And for those who dismiss the rocket attacks in Israel as nothing much, try living with them day in day out. And then respond to my comments on civil defence, or indeed ANY of the comments I took the time to make.

Still with the rocket argument.

Rocket deaths in 14 years: 28

London murders in that time : >1500

So an Israeli is 50 times more likely to be murdered in holiday in London than by a rocket.

Our to put it another way, twice as many Londoners died on 7/7 compared to Israeli rocket deaths in 14 years.

Population of Israel : 8 million

Population of London : 8.3 million

Edited by -Z- on Saturday 26th July 06:35

[Scuffers]

Try downloading the app Red Alert and keeping it on an hour or so. It really hits home how many attacks Hamas is launching on Israel.

now try and consider every time it goes off, you have to go and hide in your shelter.

trivial is it?

you are totally clueless...

[-Z-]

Scuffers said:

Try downloading the app Red Alert and keeping it on an hour or so. It really hits home how many attacks Hamas is launching on Israel.

now try and consider every time it goes off, you have to go and hide in your shelter.

trivial is it?

you are totally clueless...

Not totally clueless, I lived in the Gulf during the first gulf war. Where we lived was at high risk of Iraqi rocket attack. Daily air raid sirens, keeping our Windows taped up etc.

You know what? No one cared, after a while it became apparent just how low the risk of death was and everyone went about their daily business. That was the lifestyle cost of living in that area.

Israelis are free to move to a city further away from Gaza, if it's such a big risk than move house.

Again, which ever way you look at it, your risk of dying due to a rocket attack is low. If I played the lottery once a week I would be more likely to win.

The justification for this Israeli action is flawed.

[Scuffers]

you're not the only one that's been to the gulf, and be honest, unless you worked in Baghdad or the like, that's a pretty meaningless statement.

and I would not call a Syrian made M-302 Khaibar missile trivial

[NoNeed]

Does anybody have a solution to the problem?

I ask as I have not yet heard one that is even remotely achievable and the same argument has been going on since long before I was even born in 1971. It is easy to say they are sending rockets so we have to retaliate, but they see it differently are sending rockets to land that's theirs and if the Israeli's weren't there it wouldn't be a problem. The whole argument has been going round in circles for as long as I remember.

[-Z-]

Scuffers said:

you're not the only one that's been to the gulf, and be honest, unless you worked in Baghdad or the like, that's a pretty meaningless statement.

and I would not call a Syrian made M-302 Khaibar missile trivial

So move to Haifa, beyond range.

If the threat was so debilitating on a day to day basis just move house.

People move house for trivial reasons, since rockets are not trivial then why not move?

Or use some that American cash to build new cities in the North.

If you choose (and it is a choice) to stay close to Gaza then put up or shut up.

Of course, it's easier to kill 800 Palestinians so that is what the Israeli government does.

[Scuffers]

-Z- said:

So move to Haifa, beyond range.

If the threat was so debilitating on a day to day basis just move house.

People move house for trivial reasons, since rockets are not trivial then why not move?

Or use some that American cash to build new cities in the North.

If you choose (and it is a choice) to stay close to Gaza then put up or shut up.

Of course, it's easier to kill 800 Palestinians so that is what the Israeli government does.

now who's being simplistic?

remind me again, what's the range of these Syrian rockets?

and just how many Palestinians have been killed by Hamas for refusing to cooperate (like the family shot dead when they objected to Hamas launching rockets from the back of their house?).

and whilst we are talking numbers, just how many of the 800 are actually Hamas nutters? like the ones videoed coming out of the tunnels and being shot.

answer, we have no idea because the reporting from Gaza is 100% one sided, but I guess that's OK, cause Israel are bad and anything Palestinian is great?

taking pot shots at the police or Israel again?

how is this any different to the riots we had here? same deal, stupid lawless youths with fk all better to do.

so, oh great Z, what's your solution? supply Hamas with more rockets? pay them even more money to hide away in Qatar etc?

[Grumfutock]

Art0ir said:

Grumfutock said:

Art0ir said:

The IRA were defeated not because they were outsmarted or beaten by force, but because the local population grew tired of them.

Edited by Art0ir on Friday 25th July 20:06

Read your history. They never gave a flying fk about the locals and they ruled them with gangster like terror.

If the locals are tired of them then explain why they are still active? Bombings, knee capping and weapon finds still very common place.

I've lived in Northern Ireland all my life. I'm well aware how they operated which is why I can see the similarities with Hamas.

As for the few dozen Marxist nut jobs still intent on dragging us back to the 70s, it is your sir that needs to do some reading about their support.

Marxists? Really? Drug dealers and gangster more like. So it is all over in NI is it? 24th July weapons find, 24th July knee capping, 25th ammo find. Yea it is all finished there because the people say so. Power to the people.

Good luck with that

[-Z-]

Scuffers said:

now who's being simplistic?

remind me again, what's the range of these Syrian rockets?

and just how many Palestinians have been killed by Hamas for refusing to cooperate (like the family shot dead when they objected to Hamas launching rockets from the back of their house?).

and whilst we are talking numbers, just how many of the 800 are actually Hamas nutters? like the ones videoed coming out of the tunnels and being shot.

answer, we have no idea because the reporting from Gaza is 100% one sided, but I guess that's OK, cause Israel are bad and anything Palestinian is great?

taking pot shots at the police or Israel again?

how is this any different to the riots we had here? same deal, stupid lawless youths with fk all better to do.

so, oh great Z, what's your solution? supply Hamas with more rockets? pay them even more money to hide away in Qatar etc?

Facts are facts. An average of 2 deaths per year for a population of 8 million is not justification for this action.

Netanyahu compared it to living through the Blitz. Do you agree with that?

30000 Londoners died during that.

If I was a veteran of the Blitz I would be pretty insulted.

Does Netanyahu's idiotic comparison not show how the fuss about the rockets is nothing more than a PR strategy?

[Grumfutock]

-Z- said:

Facts are facts. An average of 2 deaths per year for a population of 8 million is not justification for this action.

Netanyahu compared it to living through the Blitz. Do you agree with that?

30000 Londoners died during that.

If I was a veteran of the Blitz I would be pretty insulted.

Does Netanyahu's idiotic comparison not show how the fuss about the rockets is nothing more than a PR strategy?

Yea because having rockets fired at your country on a daily basis is something that every world leader and nation would just ignore isn't it.

[anonymous-user]

A hypothetical quessy here;
Say Hamas evaporated overnight, what do you think the Israeli long term aim is:
1. One nation, Israel, Jewish constitution.
2. Two distinct sovereign nations, both independent and with resources and land required to be relatively self-sustained, one Jewish, the other likely Muslim.
3. Other.

[Scuffers]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

good question.

honest answer is I have no idea, Hamas are (in the context) relatively recent, before them it was the PLO (Fatah) now headed by Mahmoud Abbas who seems to be somewhat more level headed.

it would be nice if they could do a deal without the constant warcry from Hamas and exist as one or two nations, that said, I expect the former would only be a stepping stone to the latter.

[Scuffers]

-Z- said:

Facts are facts. An average of 2 deaths per year for a population of 8 million is not justification for this action.

Netanyahu compared it to living through the Blitz. Do you agree with that?

30000 Londoners died during that.

If I was a veteran of the Blitz I would be pretty insulted.

Does Netanyahu's idiotic comparison not show how the fuss about the rockets is nothing more than a PR strategy?

you are a muppet!

During the blitz, some 1,402 V2 rockets were fired at the UK, causing the deaths of some 2,754 civilians.

if back then London had the equivalent of Iron Dome and only a handful of people died, would that have made the justification for the normandy landings etc any less valid?

now, if you took away Israel's Iron dome system, just how many casualties do you think would be enough to validate action against them by the IDF?

the simple fact is Israel value the lives of their people, Hamas don't, and in that situation, who do you think is going to suffers the highest casualties?