Discussion
BlackLabel said:
Israel has laws which state that any properties or areas 'abandoned' pass onto the state who can do as they wish with them.
http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=1220
Please take out 'abandoned' and put in 'stolen' then you've nailed it!http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=1220
Wait a minute . . . . Israel DOES want a 2 state solution, right?
Mr Snap said:
Mrr T said:
Lets do the numbers. The current ground incursion has been going on 16 days. The previous shelling was about 10 days. So in 26 days the Israel's have killed about 700 civilians. Based on Wiki population figures (1.8M) and birth rates (2.4%) in Gaza in the last 26 days 3,000 babies will have been born.
That's the problem with these Jew is they are no good at mass murder.
Please accept this as black humour.
I do however think its a bit hard to suggest Israel is trying to wipe out the population of Gaza and be taken seriously.
No, let's not do numbers, because numbers is reducing real people to mere statistics (and we all know what Stalin said re statistics). Let's talk ethics and morals instead.That's the problem with these Jew is they are no good at mass murder.
Please accept this as black humour.
I do however think its a bit hard to suggest Israel is trying to wipe out the population of Gaza and be taken seriously.
Do you think it's acceptable to kill civilians? Do you think it's acceptable to destroy innocent families and devastate property?
Your argument seems to be that it's ok to bump off a few innocent Palestinians because, like buses, there'll be another one along in a moment. Do you have children yourself? Do you reckon it'd be ok if I killed them? There are, after all, lots of people in the UK who would be able to make up for your trivial loss. Your contribution drips with racism and contempt for the innocent.
Nor does the fact that you suddenly see fit to inject humour into the subject of killing innocent people reflect well on you.
In the last few pages, you've tried to nit-pick holes in arguments without making any substantive contribution. You've demanded that people provide citations to their contributions but you eschew doing it yourself. Your contributions are both pompous and patronising and you would appear to have no compunction about making light of the deaths of innocent people. You need to take a good look at yourself.
Mr Snap said:
Attempting to accuse me of racism in return is a bit rich. My family are Jews. Both Adolph Hitler and The State of Israel would classify me as a Jew. I even have the "right of return" myself. Think about that. Although born in the UK and none of my family have any affiliations with Israel whatsoever, I only have to turn up at Tel-Aviv to get more rights in Israel than some poor bloody Palestinian whose family have lived in Jerusalem for over 500 years and who was thrown out of his home in last week.
That is the very truth . . . . . . . Edited by SR7492 on Thursday 24th July 13:37
Countdown said:
It's shocking that somebody can post that and not acknowledge, even once, the conditions faced by Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Not even mentioning Israeli policy on building more Settlements, more roads, and more checkpoints and just even wondering whether that "may" be part of the reason why peace hasn't been achieved.
Whilst she feels unthinkable loss for the death of each IDF soldier I imagine the relatives of the 26 members of the Abu Jame family feel a similar loss.
Well said Whilst she feels unthinkable loss for the death of each IDF soldier I imagine the relatives of the 26 members of the Abu Jame family feel a similar loss.
Countdown said:
You really know f
k all about this.
Iraq invaded Iran, with extensive financial support from its Sunni neighbours and extensive material support from the West. Even when Saddam was using chemical weapons on Iranian soldiers.
Perhaps you should stick to posting maps of Narnia.
k all about this.Iraq invaded Iran, with extensive financial support from its Sunni neighbours and extensive material support from the West. Even when Saddam was using chemical weapons on Iranian soldiers.
Perhaps you should stick to posting maps of Narnia.
jonby said:
If Hamas didn't store weapons in or launch rockets from schools, do you think IDF would target them ? Do you think IDF would imagine it could 'get away with' bombing schools if no such evidence existed ? As such, do you think Hamas need to take any responsibility at all for schools being bombed ?
Get real!How many journos are there that are also sheltering in some of there UN places? There are a few . . . how come none of them have reported rockets being fired from the said school by Hamas?
Anyhow, bombing a school which is a known UN shelter house with civilians inside is a massacre plain and simple. Anyone who is going to defend this has no morals on the loss of civilian life (or in this case Palestinian lives which the Israeli's are happy to wipe out)
As I have said before, IDF are trigger Effing Happy - shoot first, asks questions later, a mentality picked up from big brother US.
People need to wake up and realise the concentration camp strangle hold Israel has on Gaza and the WB.
JensenA said:
But we all - the sensible people that is - understood exactly the point he was trying to make, didn't we?
No one is suggesting that the Israelis are rounding people up and transporting them to a Ghetto to slaughter them. But there are some similarities in that many Palestinians have had to move to the WB because the Israelis have bulldozed their houses and forcibly evicted them. The result is that Palestinians now live in a small strip of land, from which there is no escape, and which is being continuously bombarded by military strikes. In effect they are living in a Ghetto that is surrounded by an enemy that isn't overly concerned if some civilians are killed If you are unable to see any similarities, then you are blind, and exhibit exactly the kind of opinions that keep this conflict going.
Not blind, just plain dumb and stupid!No one is suggesting that the Israelis are rounding people up and transporting them to a Ghetto to slaughter them. But there are some similarities in that many Palestinians have had to move to the WB because the Israelis have bulldozed their houses and forcibly evicted them. The result is that Palestinians now live in a small strip of land, from which there is no escape, and which is being continuously bombarded by military strikes. In effect they are living in a Ghetto that is surrounded by an enemy that isn't overly concerned if some civilians are killed If you are unable to see any similarities, then you are blind, and exhibit exactly the kind of opinions that keep this conflict going.
Lets be clear here, Israel does not want a 2 state solution - you can argue this all day long but the simple fact is they don't.
The continued occupation on stolen land and building settlements on this land is for all to see; people on here can 'eff off with the 'don't fire rockets' angle line for the mass murder the IDF are committing and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from their own land.
If Israel, who hold ALL the cards in this, wanted REAL peace, they would (and have to) give more away (not that it is theirs in the first place) as part of the negotiations. It is quite clear they don't want to do this (and please don't give me the tosh about Hamas needing to recognise Israel blah blah - we all know Israel is using this to keep on the wheels on its occupation going)
allnighter said:
ou ought to cry really.You wear your ignorance as a badge with honour, and to you it's must be cool to be dumb!
Like someone has already told you: Reasonable (and intelligent) people see the similarities between Gaza and the Warsaw ghetto. You are far from being either of that Mr ROFL king!
You are wasting your time Allnighter - this thread has covered some very interesting points but the trigger happy IDF lovers here are like jelly; wobbling out of everything they put forward or questioned on; pathetic really.Like someone has already told you: Reasonable (and intelligent) people see the similarities between Gaza and the Warsaw ghetto. You are far from being either of that Mr ROFL king!
supersingle said:
How do you explain mothers celebrating the martyrdom of their suicide bomber sons? How about the Jew hatred in Palestinian children's TV? What about the Palestinian parades of young children dressed as suicide bombers?
It goes way beyond armed resistance. It's a vile suicidal cult of hate and death which Hamas cultivate for their own ends.
If I took over your house and kicked the living daylights out you; put a fence around so you can't move and invited others to live in the garden - how would you feel? How would you you bring your kids up in this situation?It goes way beyond armed resistance. It's a vile suicidal cult of hate and death which Hamas cultivate for their own ends.
And I'm describing it in best terms, the actual situation is a lot worse.
So why don't you educate yourself before making idiotic statements like that.
JensenA said:
Scuffers said:
Alpinestars said:
No but yeah but no but yeah but no but yeah but no because....
so this is it?debate not going your way so resort to being childish?
This is an example of why the IDF is being criticised. Whilst they may not be deliberately targeting civilians, they have no qualms about killing civilians.
And all that will happen now, is that you, and other IDF apologists will try and defend the IDF. the fact is, they killed - again - many innocent civilians. Can you not see that? Answer the question, Why do you constantly defend the IDF?
You can add Mrr T to that too but hey IDF can't do no wrong!
Grumfutock said:
When all is said an done one side will have to give up first. You say it should be Israel, I say it should be the terrorists Hamas. We are at an impasse I think.
I don't know if you are just plain stupid or ignorant. Israel holds all the cards; so who has to give up first?There was no rockets being fired 8 years ago; was Israel willing to have a 2 state solution then?
Instead, the settlements have increased ten fold (and more being approved daily) and bottleneck of the people in Gaza increasing by shutting everything off and not letting anything through!
You are obviously blinded by your love for the trigger happy IDF murderers; hence why you always seem to 'try' to answer a question (albeit half an attempt) with a question itself! Pathetic.
The simple truth is Israel does not want the Palestinians as their neighbours; they never did.
But no, it's all the Palestinians fault who got kicked out of their homes/land and now being ethnically cleansed!
Can't blame the big bad wolf can we?
Scuffers said:
I'm not going to comment any more, it's pretty obvious you're too blinkered/gullible/stupid to begin to understand the region, and I (with others) are just wasting our time trying to get you to learn.
Goodbye, you will surely be missed with your question-dodging posts. No one is going to learn anything from you when you are obviously defending the indefensible and have the cheek to refer to others as stupid.Now that you will have some time on your hands, pop down to your local McDonalds for a burger to help your Israeli mates out as I hear that there are a few boycotts on companies who support and fund the Israeli state.
Grumfutock said:
Not bluff, not bluster, not obfuscation. Just a desperate and final attempt to try to get you to read what I am writing!!!
We can all read what you are writing; its utter tosh! You discredit ANYTHING that is put forward and on every occasion divert a question with a question.How can anyone on this thread debate with you when you talk out of your arse using the IDF book of PR. Moron!
I amend my statement about you Habibi, you are not just ignorant but plain effing stupid too.
I hope this is your final attempt and then we'll have one less idiot who can't debate for shi7!
Grumfutock said:
And yet again the troll reappears with the usual insults and provocation but nothing constructive.
If you open your eyes, you'll see this thread was started by me - not as a means of provocation or insults.Clowns like you annoy people because you are totally blind sided for the defense of Israel/IDF; no matter what facts/evidence are put forward, you totally dismiss it. You still defend the indefensible.
Why don't you read what the guys are saying/asking/suggesting and respond 'rationally' - is that too much to ask?
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