Israeli

[Qwert1e]

snowen250 said:

Not while two groups of people believe in different deity's in the sky.

I don't think you've grasped what's going on here. Just like in Northern Ireland, these two have the SAME deity. What's more so do the Christians. All three share the same Abrahamic origins. They are simply minor variations on a theme.

The "battle" here amounts to little more than Liverpool/Everton football club rivalry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

[Qwert1e]

S 8 GRN said:

I really fail to comprehend where you make a leap to claim "most of the world" - I would really like to understand how you've come to this conclusion?

By opening my eyes and ears. Perhaps you might try it some time.

[Qwert1e]

Scuffers said:

Total horlicks if the palestinians don't want to be shelled stop firing rockets, how hard concept is that?

Complete failure of logic.

You go to your regular pub. Someone punches you in the face. It's your fault for being there. Understand?

[Octoposse]

Scuffers said:

Total horlicks if the palestinians don't want to be shelled stop firing rockets, how hard concept is that?

Yep - submit or die - I'm sure they have entirely grasped the concept.

[Scuffers]

Qwert1e said:

Scuffers said:

Total horlicks if the palestinians don't want to be shelled stop firing rockets, how hard concept is that?

Complete failure of logic.

You go to your regular pub. Someone punches you in the face. It's your fault for being there. Understand?

Very good..

So, who is it that's throwing punches (read rockets) at the rate of 100s a day?

A better analogy is don't walk up to a gorilla with a machine gun, kick him in the nuts then run away whilst leaving some kids in the way.

[S 8 GRN]

Qwert1e said:

S 8 GRN said:

I really fail to comprehend where you make a leap to claim "most of the world" - I would really like to understand how you've come to this conclusion?

By opening my eyes and ears. Perhaps you might try it some time.

And with an ignorant response you prove my point. Thank you.

[allnighter]

most of the world is against state sponsored terrorism by high tech weaponery against civilians. If the target is hamas fighters then man up go in and hunt them street by street. Killing babies and children is cowardly to any civilized person and if you cannot grasp that then you have no moral fibre unfortunately.

[Scuffers]

Come again?

So you want them to invade and occupy Gaza now?

May i suggest you watch the videos just shown on the itn news..

Shows hamas firing rockets from UN school, also shows deserted school yard hit by a mortar round where supposedly all the civilians were killed and injured?

[Funkycoldribena]

allnighter said:

most of the world is against state sponsored terrorism by high tech weaponery against civilians. If the target is hamas fighters then man up go in and hunt them street by street. Killing babies and children is cowardly to any civilized person and if you cannot grasp that then you have no moral fibre unfortunately.

Mores the point,why dont Hamas come out into the open if they care about their fellow man so much?If their bleating about civilians was genuine they'd stop hiding behind them.Why dont they man up and do that?

[otolith]

I sometimes think that people would be happier if more Israeli citizens were killed.

[Scuffers]

otolith said:

I sometimes think that people would be happier if more Israeli citizens were killed.

This is the crux of the matter...

People seem unhappy that Israel are very focused on protecting their people, whereas hams seem intent on martyring theirs

[raftom]

snowen250 said:

Not while two groups of people believe in different deity's in the sky.

Actually the believe in the same invisible man. But some follow the shoe and others follow the gourd.

[raftom]

Scuffers said:

They're trying fing hard not to kill people, hampered by hamas not giving a toss about civilians.

[S 8 GRN]

allnighter said:

most of the world is against state sponsored terrorism by high tech weaponery against civilians. If the target is hamas fighters then man up go in and hunt them street by street. Killing babies and children is cowardly to any civilized person and if you cannot grasp that then you have no moral fibre unfortunately.

Is that a you gov poll you're quoting? Most of the world my ass. As for the killing you're spot on - it is exactly the reason the IDF is carrying out the current operation. Given that Hamas has launched over 1000 rockets since this latest escalation began and over 11,000 in the last 14 years I'd ask you to consult with your same data source, yes the one that you quote as most of the world, what on gods earth they think the plan was for those rockets fired into Israel. Of course my mistake they were landscaping - Grand Designs Hamas style. And as for high tech - access to missiles that can reach Haifa are pretty damn high tech where I come from. Less of the pity pls - Hamas are cold blooded killers.

[NelsonR32]

otolith said:

I sometimes think that people would be happier if more Israeli citizens were killed.

Can you elaborate on why...?

[otolith]

NelsonR32 said:

otolith said:

I sometimes think that people would be happier if more Israeli citizens were killed.

Can you elaborate on why...?

The focus on the "unfairness", the description of Israel's greater defensive capacity making it a "bully".

[Countdown]

otolith said:

The focus on the "unfairness", the description of Israel's greater defensive capacity making it a "bully".

When an adult pinches a child's sweets, and then knocks the child's teeth out when the child tries to fight back, is it the child's fault for retaliating? After all, shouldn't the child have tried to negotiate the return of the sweets?

[allnighter]

Funkycoldribena said:

allnighter said:

most of the world is against state sponsored terrorism by high tech weaponery against civilians. If the target is hamas fighters then man up go in and hunt them street by street. Killing babies and children is cowardly to any civilized person and if you cannot grasp that then you have no moral fibre unfortunately.

Mores the point,why dont Hamas come out into the open if they care about their fellow man so much?If their bleating about civilians was genuine they'd stop hiding behind them.Why dont they man up and do that?

I do not care much for Hamas, so let's be clear about that.Hamas and Israel carry the responsibility for this situation. Targetting civilians VIOLATES international law, whether it's done by Hamas or Israel.Can we at least agree on that?

[allnighter]

S 8 GRN said:

allnighter said:

most of the world is against state sponsored terrorism by high tech weaponery against civilians. If the target is hamas fighters then man up go in and hunt them street by street. Killing babies and children is cowardly to any civilized person and if you cannot grasp that then you have no moral fibre unfortunately.

Is that a you gov poll you're quoting? Most of the world my ass. As for the killing you're spot on - it is exactly the reason the IDF is carrying out the current operation. Given that Hamas has launched over 1000 rockets since this latest escalation began and over 11,000 in the last 14 years I'd ask you to consult with your same data source, yes the one that you quote as most of the world, what on gods earth they think the plan was for those rockets fired into Israel. Of course my mistake they were landscaping - Grand Designs Hamas style. And as for high tech - access to missiles that can reach Haifa are pretty damn high tech where I come from. Less of the pity pls - Hamas are cold blooded killers.

Most of the world is exactly what it means, the international community that adheres strongly to the principles of decency and respects international law. Targeting civilians by a state is against international law no matter who the offender is.Israeli self-defense does not give it the God given right to kill over a thousand Gazan civilians, to bomb hospitals, or warn Gazans to evacuate buildings when they have nowhere to go, as well as destroy all infrastructure just to get back at her foe. It is not considered or viewed as a civilised behaviour by most of the world, especially, if the perpetrator claims to be a 'civilised democracy' and worthy of that title.

[enioldjoe]

raftom said:

snowen250 said:

Not while two groups of people believe in different deity's in the sky.

Actually the believe in the same invisible man. But some follow the shoe and others follow the gourd.

It would cause a bit of a rumpus if they weren't the same wouldn't it? I mean how could, indeed why would someone continue to follow Allah if He couldn't sort out a little blip on the map like Israel with it's pesky inhabitants and retake the land it once conquered? I mean we're talking about God here, aren't we.??

You'd have to come up with some crazy excuses and tactics wouldn't you? They'd be unbelievable,I reckon.