Discussion
allnighter said:
audidoody said:
supersingle said:
RedTrident said:
Give over, no one in this thread has at any point supported Hamas or been anti Semitic. Don't get me wrong, certain posters have regularly thrown these accusations around in the hope that they can stifle debate and distract away from the actions of a state that are employing tactics comparable to the Nazis to kill women and children.
As for the obvious, we all see it, an ongoing avoidance by Israel to create a viable Palestinian state and the end of Settlement building. I see today's news is that Israel have blown up the tv stations to make it more difficult for them to report, and the port and power station also. This isn't about attacking Hamas, rather about punishing the people of Gaza for electing Hamas.
Wrong.As for the obvious, we all see it, an ongoing avoidance by Israel to create a viable Palestinian state and the end of Settlement building. I see today's news is that Israel have blown up the tv stations to make it more difficult for them to report, and the port and power station also. This isn't about attacking Hamas, rather about punishing the people of Gaza for electing Hamas.
Go back through the thread and you'll see the posts that have been binned.
On the other hand you could be correct in equating the consequences of Israeli action to the actions of our own armed forces in Iraq in 2003.
Israel's blockade of Gaza and the bombardment of its civilians has parallels with Nazi Germany's Warsaw Ghetto when Jews organised armed resistance against the Germans with smuggled and home made weapons (sounds familiar doesn't it?) between 1941 and 1943. The underground resistance consisted of about 100 Jewish groups (google Z.O.B).The fighting organization is unified, strategies are planned, underground bunkers and tunnels are built(Sounds familiar?), and roof-top passages are constructed. The Jews of the Warsaw ghetto prepare to fight to the end.
In April 1943, after the German troops and police entered the ghetto,the Warsaw ghetto uprising began when 750 Jewish fighters fought the heavily armed and well trained Germans and were able to hold out for nearly a month before the revolt ended in May 16th 1943. The Germans managed to crush the revolt and 7000 Jews were shot(sounds familiar?).
Like I said nobody knows fully well what it's like to live in a ghetto, be treated like second class citizens, be humiliated, and be deprived of the basic human rights that we take for granted like Jews do.
So why is Israel replicating the Warsaw experience on Palestinians in Gaza and wonder why resistance by a radical organisation is supported by ordinary Palestinians who were at the receiving end of Israel's war machine, and not only that, give more excuses to recruit more Palestinian Jihadists to join the ranks of Hamas to avenge the death of their loved ones be they babies, toddlers, mothers, fathers,aunts, uncles etc...)
Israel should make it a 1st amendment never to replicate atrocities committed in the past like the Warsaw ghetto uprising subsequent collective punishment by Nazis in honour for all the Jews who met their deaths. It's shameful that its actions ignore that historical stain on our so-called civilised and compassionate conduct towards each other.That stain is now consigned to history books and belligerence is the order of the day regretfully.
It's madness
Edited by allnighter on Tuesday 29th July 11:50
And the Nazi comparison is accurate, it is just too painful for some to acknowledge.
allnighter said:
liar took us to Iraq on a a basis of a lie (WMDs), and the subsequent Iraqi civilian deaths was an immoral and criminal act. Bliar should be tried for war crimes IMO.
I don't like Blair, but let's get this right. Dr David Kelly, who was the world expert on Iraq, thought they had WMDs. Saddam Hussein had had WMDs in the past, and used them on his own people. Saddam obstructed Hans Blix and co to give the impression that he had WMDs. He promised "devastating surprises" for anyone attacking him.If you put a sign on your gate saying "Beware of Dangerous Dog", and you buy dog food, and you've owned dangerous dogs in the past, and you hide behind your letterbox growling and barking, then you can't b
h and whine when people assume you have a dangerous dog.The disaster that befell the Iraqi people was completely the fault of the
who was running Iraq. allnighter said:
Israel's blockade of Gaza and the bombardment of its civilians has parallels with Nazi Germany's Warsaw Ghetto when Jews organised armed resistance against the Germans with smuggled and home made weapons (sounds familiar doesn't it?) between 1941 and 1943. The underground resistance consisted of about 100 Jewish groups (google Z.O.B).The fighting organization is unified, strategies are planned, underground bunkers and tunnels are built(Sounds familiar?), and roof-top passages are constructed. The Jews of the Warsaw ghetto prepare to fight to the end.
In April 1943, after the German troops and police entered the ghetto,the Warsaw ghetto uprising began when 750 Jewish fighters fought the heavily armed and well trained Germans and were able to hold out for nearly a month before the revolt ended in May 16th 1943. The Germans managed to crush the revolt and 7000 Jews were shot(sounds familiar?).
Like I said nobody knows fully well what it's like to live in a ghetto, be treated like second class citizens, be humiliated, and be deprived of the basic human rights that we take for granted like Jews do.
So why is Israel replicating the Warsaw experience on Palestinians in Gaza and wonder why resistance by a radical organisation is supported by ordinary Palestinians who were at the receiving end of Israel's war machine, and not only that, give more excuses to recruit more Palestinian Jihadists to join the ranks of Hamas to avenge the death of their loved ones be they babies, toddlers, mothers, fathers,aunts, uncles etc...)
Your history of the Jewish Ghetto up rising in Warsaw seems to be a bit selective.In April 1943, after the German troops and police entered the ghetto,the Warsaw ghetto uprising began when 750 Jewish fighters fought the heavily armed and well trained Germans and were able to hold out for nearly a month before the revolt ended in May 16th 1943. The Germans managed to crush the revolt and 7000 Jews were shot(sounds familiar?).
Like I said nobody knows fully well what it's like to live in a ghetto, be treated like second class citizens, be humiliated, and be deprived of the basic human rights that we take for granted like Jews do.
So why is Israel replicating the Warsaw experience on Palestinians in Gaza and wonder why resistance by a radical organisation is supported by ordinary Palestinians who were at the receiving end of Israel's war machine, and not only that, give more excuses to recruit more Palestinian Jihadists to join the ranks of Hamas to avenge the death of their loved ones be they babies, toddlers, mothers, fathers,aunts, uncles etc...)
Between July and September 1942 the German SS had removed between 250,000 to 300,00 largely Jews from the Warsaw ghetto to extermination camps of whom very few survived the war.
The return of the German SS to removing a further 5,000 in January 1942 lead to the uprising..
During the uprising the estimates I have seen it suggest the casualties from the fighting where closer to 12,000.
Also you forget to mention after the uprising was crushed the German SS removed the remaining 50,000 Jews from the ghetto to extermination camps.
So let me see you are comparing the death of about 1,000 in Gaza with a conflict in which about 400,000 Jewish where killed. Of those 400,000 killed by the German SS 97% where clearly unarmed since they where in extermination camps.
Perhaps to help my understanding of the parallels you can provide links to
a) The extermination camps in Isreal?
b) The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto lobbing missiles at Germans civilians?
Edited by Mrr T on Tuesday 29th July 13:42
Mrr T said:
Perhaps to help my understanding of the parallels you can provide links to
a) The extermination camps in Isreal?
b) The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto lobbing missiles at Germans civilians?
Don't forget a) The extermination camps in Isreal?
b) The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto lobbing missiles at Germans civilians?
c) Jews planting bombs on Warsaw buses knowing that they contain not only German children, but also Polish kids, and tourists and even some Jewish kids who aren't in living in the ghetto.
I find the comparisons with the Nazi holocaust, genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc so far off reality as to be beyond pathetic.
yes, 1,000+ people have died, and yes, it's tragic
however, I find the deaths from Ebola outbreak more tragic as they are unavoidable and thousands of people are desperately trying to contain this outbreak.
the Gaza problem is 100% man made, by nutters that have zero regard for human life.
people go on about the blockade but seem to forget why Israel started it, to stop suicide bombers, something it has almost been 100% successful in doing.
now, who was sending these suicide bombers in the first place and thus the cause of said blockade?
it's called taking responsibility for your actions
yes, 1,000+ people have died, and yes, it's tragic
however, I find the deaths from Ebola outbreak more tragic as they are unavoidable and thousands of people are desperately trying to contain this outbreak.
the Gaza problem is 100% man made, by nutters that have zero regard for human life.
people go on about the blockade but seem to forget why Israel started it, to stop suicide bombers, something it has almost been 100% successful in doing.
now, who was sending these suicide bombers in the first place and thus the cause of said blockade?
it's called taking responsibility for your actions
Mrr T said:
allnighter said:
Israel's blockade of Gaza and the bombardment of its civilians has parallels with Nazi Germany's Warsaw Ghetto when Jews organised armed resistance against the Germans with smuggled and home made weapons (sounds familiar doesn't it?) between 1941 and 1943. The underground resistance consisted of about 100 Jewish groups (google Z.O.B).The fighting organization is unified, strategies are planned, underground bunkers and tunnels are built(Sounds familiar?), and roof-top passages are constructed. The Jews of the Warsaw ghetto prepare to fight to the end.
In April 1943, after the German troops and police entered the ghetto,the Warsaw ghetto uprising began when 750 Jewish fighters fought the heavily armed and well trained Germans and were able to hold out for nearly a month before the revolt ended in May 16th 1943. The Germans managed to crush the revolt and 7000 Jews were shot(sounds familiar?).
Like I said nobody knows fully well what it's like to live in a ghetto, be treated like second class citizens, be humiliated, and be deprived of the basic human rights that we take for granted like Jews do.
So why is Israel replicating the Warsaw experience on Palestinians in Gaza and wonder why resistance by a radical organisation is supported by ordinary Palestinians who were at the receiving end of Israel's war machine, and not only that, give more excuses to recruit more Palestinian Jihadists to join the ranks of Hamas to avenge the death of their loved ones be they babies, toddlers, mothers, fathers,aunts, uncles etc...)
Your history of the Jewish Ghetto up rising in Warsaw seems to be a bit selective.In April 1943, after the German troops and police entered the ghetto,the Warsaw ghetto uprising began when 750 Jewish fighters fought the heavily armed and well trained Germans and were able to hold out for nearly a month before the revolt ended in May 16th 1943. The Germans managed to crush the revolt and 7000 Jews were shot(sounds familiar?).
Like I said nobody knows fully well what it's like to live in a ghetto, be treated like second class citizens, be humiliated, and be deprived of the basic human rights that we take for granted like Jews do.
So why is Israel replicating the Warsaw experience on Palestinians in Gaza and wonder why resistance by a radical organisation is supported by ordinary Palestinians who were at the receiving end of Israel's war machine, and not only that, give more excuses to recruit more Palestinian Jihadists to join the ranks of Hamas to avenge the death of their loved ones be they babies, toddlers, mothers, fathers,aunts, uncles etc...)
Between July and September 1942 the German SS had removed between 250,000 to 300,00 largely Jews from the Warsaw ghetto to extermination camps of whom very few survived the war.
The return of the German SS to removing a further 5,000 in January 1942 lead to the uprising..
During the uprising the estimates I have seen it suggest the casualties from the fighting where closer to 12,000.
Also you forget to mention after the uprising was crushed the German SS removed the remaining 50,000 Jews from the ghetto to extermination camps.
So let me see you are comparing the death of about 1,000 in Gazza with a conflict in which about 400,000 Jewish where killed. Of those 400,000 killed by the German SS 97% where clearly unarmed since they where in extermination camps.
Perhaps to help my understanding of the parallels you can provide links to
a) The extermination camps in Isreal?
b) The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto lobbing missiles at Germans civilians?
We are fully aware of the half a million Jews killed, Google can provide those statistics.So stop being daft and obtuse and see the similarities between confining Jews to a ghetto, just like Palestinians were confined to an open prison called Gaza, treating Jews like scum, just like Palestinians are treated like scum, Jews smuggling arms, just like Palestinians are doing the same, Jews building tunnels, just like Palestinians are doing in Gaza, Jews mounting an armed resistance against a well armed German army , just like Palestinian Hamas operatives are doing at the moment against a far superior military, Navy, and Air force.
Now you do understand the concept of 'resistance' don't you?Like shooting your enemy down, lobbing missiles, creating terror, sabotage, destruction etc...
When you are surrounded by a superior and an overwhelming force, resistance can take all sorts of shapes and forms.
The main point you missed, either deliberately or unintentionally, and I suspect it's the former TBH, is that from a humanitarian point of you (and I could be wasting my time discussing this with you anyway) is that Israel, a democratic state, should hold better values and ethics knowing the history of Jews and how they were persecuted and were mistreated by the Germans.
They should never replicate tactics like the ones I listed above, blockading nearly 2 Million people, provoking an uprising, creating terrible conditions for Palestinians who result to desperate measures (like joining radicals and taking up arms), and bombing the cr@ap out of them as if Palestinian lives are worthless, and trying to legitimise it by claiming self-defence in the interest of national security, just like the Germans were doing with their lies and propaganda against Jews.
Israel should know its values and morals better and not trample over them and forget the past fate of 6 millions who died a horrible death.
You want to quantify and compare statistics to support your twisted agenda and justify the current campaign of state sponsored terrorism, I do not! Statistics like that mean f
k all if the leaders of a nation of a previously persecuted race are indulging in persectuing another race employing more or less the same tactics (as listed above) and "fine-tuning" these tactics in line (or just above) with what is "acceptable" to Western media and Israel's backers.Now go and stick your fingers in your ears and shout lalala, regurgitate the same cr@ap and nonesense to support your pro-Israel bias and pretend nobody is disagreeing with you.
Edited by allnighter on Tuesday 29th July 14:42
TwigtheWonderkid said:
allnighter said:
liar took us to Iraq on a a basis of a lie (WMDs), and the subsequent Iraqi civilian deaths was an immoral and criminal act. Bliar should be tried for war crimes IMO.
I don't like Blair, but let's get this right. Dr David Kelly, who was the world expert on Iraq, thought they had WMDs. Saddam Hussein had had WMDs in the past, and used them on his own people. Saddam obstructed Hans Blix and co to give the impression that he had WMDs. He promised "devastating surprises" for anyone attacking him.If you put a sign on your gate saying "Beware of Dangerous Dog", and you buy dog food, and you've owned dangerous dogs in the past, and you hide behind your letterbox growling and barking, then you can't b
h and whine when people assume you have a dangerous dog.The disaster that befell the Iraqi people was completely the fault of the
who was running Iraq. BTW: No WMDs were found in Iraq in case you were living in Neptune for the last decade!
kitz said:
In the Independent today Robert Fisk makes the statement
'Dozens of British supporters of Israel serve in the Israeli army'
I think that on their return their passports should be shredded,
and they should be deported to the apartheid state .
We have quite enough murderers of our own , if they want to fight for Israel let them live there .
So, obviously the same for any British Muslims that do the same?'Dozens of British supporters of Israel serve in the Israeli army'
I think that on their return their passports should be shredded,
and they should be deported to the apartheid state .
We have quite enough murderers of our own , if they want to fight for Israel let them live there .
Mr Snap said:
Jimbeaux said:
Seeing how tiny they are, the one side exposed to water is a aquatic body extending so far along the "Brother nations'" borders that landlocked is pretty damn accurate for practical reasons. Thanks however for your geographic micro focus, it is obviously 100% relevant to the political situation that is this cluster fk. 
Then how do you explain how Israel, despite extending 'so far along the 'brother nations', is managing to maintain an effective sea blockade on Gaza. Israel's navy is the most feared and effective in the region.k. Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 29th July 02:48
Geography, schmeography. It's the micro development of your brain that's the problem here, your ill educated contributions add nothing.
RedTrident said:
Jimbeaux said:
This is historic, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, The Arab League and even the PA has agreed to the Egyptian deal. only Hamas shot it down because it did not meet their demands. The PA cannot get that scum Hamas from around their neck, that cannot even speak for themselves. John Kerry stuck his nose in and screwed up this possibly going through. The PA even was angered by his meddling as they want the deal as well. I love how a tiny few of you on here cannot see the obvious. Instead of aiming your anger at Hamas for sacrificing the Palestinians for their personal agenda, you lash out at the Israelis. It is becoming obvious you few's true loyalties seem to lie with Hamas themselves. Good job, supporting subhuman scum such as that.
Give over, no one in this thread has at any point supported Hamas or been anti Semitic. Don't get me wrong, certain posters have regularly thrown these accusations around in the hope that they can stifle debate and distract away from the actions of a state that are employing tactics comparable to the Nazis to kill women and children. As for the obvious, we all see it, an ongoing avoidance by Israel to create a viable Palestinian state and the end of Settlement building. I see today's news is that Israel have blown up the tv stations to make it more difficult for them to report, and the port and power station also. This isn't about attacking Hamas, rather about punishing the people of Gaza for electing Hamas.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 29th July 15:06
B
allnighter said:
o help you out here's a compiled list of landlocked countries, and Israel is NOT one of them:
Afghanistan
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan[a]
Belarus
Bhutan
Bolivia
Botswana
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Central African Republic
Chad
Czech Republic
Ethiopia
Hungary
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lesotho
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Macedonia
Malawi
Mali
Moldova
Mongolia
Nagorno-Karabakh
Nepal
Niger
Paraguay
Rwanda
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
South Ossetia
South Sudan
Swaziland
Switzerland
Tajikistan
Transnistria
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Uzbekistan
Zambia
Zimbabwe.
As for the absurd and ridiculous notion that you adopt in this forum against those who deplore the deaths of innocent Palestinian new-born/unborn babies, toddlers, mums dads, grandparents, hospital patients, doctors and nurses as a direct result of careless Israeli air, land and sea attacks on densely populated areas in Gaza, as being Hamas sympathisers without showing a shred of evidence to support your silly claim, just shows your select bias, but don't worry , you're up against stiff competition from the Israel apologists camp for silly comments.
Those of us who refuse to dance to Israel's lies and propaganda have also condemned Hamas, their lies and propaganda, and their targeting of civilians. So unless you provide evidence of the contrary Jim Boy, try and think before you hit the 'enter' button please.Please, pretty please with sugar on top.
Lots of love and kisses...
Could you be more irrelevant??? As to evidence of. Hamas support, only garnered from what is written. It is speculation the same as everything everyone on this thread says is speculation. I have yet to hear one of you few Gaza defenders say a word against Hamas, that would be comforting.Afghanistan
Andorra
Armenia
Austria
Azerbaijan[a]
Belarus
Bhutan
Bolivia
Botswana
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Central African Republic
Chad
Czech Republic
Ethiopia
Hungary
Kazakhstan
Kosovo
Kyrgyzstan
Laos
Lesotho
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Macedonia
Malawi
Mali
Moldova
Mongolia
Nagorno-Karabakh
Nepal
Niger
Paraguay
Rwanda
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
South Ossetia
South Sudan
Swaziland
Switzerland
Tajikistan
Transnistria
Turkmenistan
Uganda
Uzbekistan
Zambia
Zimbabwe.
As for the absurd and ridiculous notion that you adopt in this forum against those who deplore the deaths of innocent Palestinian new-born/unborn babies, toddlers, mums dads, grandparents, hospital patients, doctors and nurses as a direct result of careless Israeli air, land and sea attacks on densely populated areas in Gaza, as being Hamas sympathisers without showing a shred of evidence to support your silly claim, just shows your select bias, but don't worry , you're up against stiff competition from the Israel apologists camp for silly comments.
Those of us who refuse to dance to Israel's lies and propaganda have also condemned Hamas, their lies and propaganda, and their targeting of civilians. So unless you provide evidence of the contrary Jim Boy, try and think before you hit the 'enter' button please.Please, pretty please with sugar on top.
Lots of love and kisses...
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Colonial said:
Both of these posts perfectly show why this will be going on for much longer yet.
Both sides are victims of the actions of their leaders and certain groups that want to prolong the tension for their own ideological gains.
There is no side that can claim any form of high ground. Just civillians on both sides suffering.
I agree. However, looking back over this thread, those like me who have some sympathy with the Israeli viewpoint are also very critical of Israel and many of their actions over the years. And can see the Palestinian side of things and can appreciate their frustrations.Both sides are victims of the actions of their leaders and certain groups that want to prolong the tension for their own ideological gains.
There is no side that can claim any form of high ground. Just civillians on both sides suffering.
But those who support the Palestinians tend to see the whole issue as black and white, Palestinian goodies v the Israeli baddies. So much so that they distort or ignore historical facts and seek to mitigate stuff like rockets being fired as minor irritations and not a serious issue. It's quite staggering how warped some of their views are, imho.
Scuffers said:
I find the comparisons with the Nazi holocaust, genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc so far off reality as to be beyond pathetic.
yes, 1,000+ people have died, and yes, it's tragic, but look elsewhere [insert another atrocity / natural disaster/ vulcanic eruption, earth quake etc..HERE]
Actually , you are beyond pathetic!yes, 1,000+ people have died, and yes, it's tragic, but look elsewhere [insert another atrocity / natural disaster/ vulcanic eruption, earth quake etc..HERE]
HTH
Jimbeaux said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Colonial said:
Both of these posts perfectly show why this will be going on for much longer yet.
Both sides are victims of the actions of their leaders and certain groups that want to prolong the tension for their own ideological gains.
There is no side that can claim any form of high ground. Just civillians on both sides suffering.
I agree. However, looking back over this thread, those like me who have some sympathy with the Israeli viewpoint are also very critical of Israel and many of their actions over the years. And can see the Palestinian side of things and can appreciate their frustrations.Both sides are victims of the actions of their leaders and certain groups that want to prolong the tension for their own ideological gains.
There is no side that can claim any form of high ground. Just civillians on both sides suffering.
But those who support the Palestinians tend to see the whole issue as black and white, Palestinian goodies v the Israeli baddies. So much so that they distort or ignore historical facts and seek to mitigate stuff like rockets being fired as minor irritations and not a serious issue. It's quite staggering how warped some of their views are, imho.
peterpeter said:
allnighter said:
o help you out here's a compiled list of landlocked countries, and Israel is NOT one of them:
As for the absurd and ridiculous notion that you adopt in this forum against those who deplore the deaths of innocent Palestinian new-born/unborn babies, toddlers, mums dads, grandparents, hospital patients, doctors and nurses as a direct result of careless Israeli air, land and sea attacks on densely populated areas in Gaza, as being Hamas sympathisers without showing a shred of evidence to support your silly claim, just shows your select bias, but don't worry , you're up against stiff competition from the Israel apologists camp for silly comments.
Those of us who refuse to dance to Israel's lies and propaganda have also condemned Hamas, their lies and propaganda, and their targeting of civilians. So unless you provide evidence of the contrary Jim Boy, try and think before you hit the 'enter' button please.Please, pretty please with sugar on top.
Lots of love and kisses...
Allnighter, this guy is a fool and has been on this forum for the last 10 years- he was spouting on about how the Iraq war was such a great idea at the time and that Blair/ Bush were brave leaders doing the right thing- As for the absurd and ridiculous notion that you adopt in this forum against those who deplore the deaths of innocent Palestinian new-born/unborn babies, toddlers, mums dads, grandparents, hospital patients, doctors and nurses as a direct result of careless Israeli air, land and sea attacks on densely populated areas in Gaza, as being Hamas sympathisers without showing a shred of evidence to support your silly claim, just shows your select bias, but don't worry , you're up against stiff competition from the Israel apologists camp for silly comments.
Those of us who refuse to dance to Israel's lies and propaganda have also condemned Hamas, their lies and propaganda, and their targeting of civilians. So unless you provide evidence of the contrary Jim Boy, try and think before you hit the 'enter' button please.Please, pretty please with sugar on top.
Lots of love and kisses...
if that isn't the definition of a fool, I don't know what is and if he cannot still see the clear wrongs in this situation he is beyond help
Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 29th July 15:10
Guam said:
Lost soul said:
there is rightly no problem with Brits serving in a legitimate armed force aboard unlike the muslim terrorists fighting in Syria
I seem to recall being a Merc is against the law here now, so why should it be any different because its a national army?allnighter said:
Scuffers said:
I find the comparisons with the Nazi holocaust, genocide, ethnic cleansing, etc so far off reality as to be beyond pathetic.
yes, 1,000+ people have died, and yes, it's tragic, but look elsewhere [insert another atrocity / natural disaster/ vulcanic eruption, earth quake etc..HERE]
Actually , you are beyond pathetic!yes, 1,000+ people have died, and yes, it's tragic, but look elsewhere [insert another atrocity / natural disaster/ vulcanic eruption, earth quake etc..HERE]
HTH
do I have to remind you that the Nazi's invaed countries, and tried to wipe out *all* the jews best way they could?
how is the current actions of the IDF in any way similar?
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Mrr T said:
Perhaps to help my understanding of the parallels you can provide links to
a) The extermination camps in Isreal?
b) The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto lobbing missiles at Germans civilians?
Don't forget a) The extermination camps in Isreal?
b) The Jews in the Warsaw ghetto lobbing missiles at Germans civilians?
c) Jews planting bombs on Warsaw buses knowing that they contain not only German children, but also Polish kids, and tourists and even some Jewish kids who aren't in living in the ghetto.
allnighter said:
Jimbeaux said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Colonial said:
Both of these posts perfectly show why this will be going on for much longer yet.
Both sides are victims of the actions of their leaders and certain groups that want to prolong the tension for their own ideological gains.
There is no side that can claim any form of high ground. Just civillians on both sides suffering.
I agree. However, looking back over this thread, those like me who have some sympathy with the Israeli viewpoint are also very critical of Israel and many of their actions over the years. And can see the Palestinian side of things and can appreciate their frustrations.Both sides are victims of the actions of their leaders and certain groups that want to prolong the tension for their own ideological gains.
There is no side that can claim any form of high ground. Just civillians on both sides suffering.
But those who support the Palestinians tend to see the whole issue as black and white, Palestinian goodies v the Israeli baddies. So much so that they distort or ignore historical facts and seek to mitigate stuff like rockets being fired as minor irritations and not a serious issue. It's quite staggering how warped some of their views are, imho.
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