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[BlackLabel]

Baryonyx said:

It's surprising now how much more of a fuss there is over Israel defending itself than there was a few years ago. I suppose this country is becoming more liberal by the day. Israel are a plucky contender, a country not afraid to use force to defend itself, and not about to be made a fool of by a few terrorists. It makes for perfect internet argument fodder.

Well I probably fall into that category. And it's not because I'm becoming more liberal.

Up until the most recent flare up I was very much pro-Israel. I suppose I still am - they are surrounded by a group of people (and not just the Palestinians) who, if they had the means, would not think twice about wiping the state off the map. And the core reason for this isn't political but simply because of anti Jewish bigotry.

Nonetheless, the continuous illegal expansion of Israel, and the current targetting of homes for the disabled, children's hospitals, schools, and UN offices is indefensible in my book. They are acting like lunatics! They have killed hundreds of women and children all in the name of self defence and to stop the rockets (which have killed 28 Israelis in 13 years). Self defence is one thing but there are limits.

Yes Hamas are scumbags who use human shields however that should not give Israel the excuse to act like maniacs. The 'oh we told civilians to evacuate' excuse doesn't sit well with me either - Gaza is tiny, where the fk do they expect people to evacuate to? They block people in, help turn the area into a sthole (not that it needed much help) and then, with a straight face, tell people to evacuate - and to top it off they boast to the world that they are doing so in some kind of twisted attempt to show the world they actually care about civilians.

Anyway, I'm out of here - 130 odd pages on and we are just going round in circles. Here's for a quick and lasting resolution to this conflict (although I won't be holding my breath).

Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 31st July 09:54

Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 31st July 09:55

[FredClogs]

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

[supersingle]

kitz said:

Terrorist apartheid IDF dead 56
Concentration camp victims 1363

I took a walk yesterday ..
When I returned I calculated I could have walked through Gaza in about
5 hours .
The talk about human shields ...well it flys in the face of common sence .
There is little chance that any Hammas resistance fighter has not had a family member killed
or grievously injured .
People don't use family or friends as human shields .

IDF in the future will have the same respect as the SS have now .

Edited by kitz on Thursday 31st July 09:31

My bold. Evidence would suggest otherwise. The Palestinians love death more than the Jews love life. Having a family member 'Martyred' for the cause confers great honour on the family. It's the reason Palestinian mothers would celebrate their sons' deaths when they blew themselves up as suicide bombers.

Israel put a stop to that with the wall and the embargo. For which they've received nothing but criticism from the so called humanitarians.

[otolith]

FredClogs said:

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

Which, for those who like to pick sides in this issue, is enough reason for many to choose the opposite one.

Which is ironic, given the historical "enemy of my enemy" doctrine of the US foreign policy they dislike so much.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

audidoody said:

Mr allnighter :

I was following your equivocation of the current IDF operations with those of the SS in the Warsaw Ghetto with great interest.

I must have missed the news reports that IDF soldiers were rounding up thousands of unarmed Palestinian men, women, and children and carting them off to concentration camps for medical experiments, industrialised slaughter and the processing of their bodies into soap and lampshades.

Do you have any links on this?

The comparison between Warsaw ghetto, the Nazis and the current situation in Gaza reminds me of when Sepp Blatter said a footballer tied to a 4 year multi million pound contract was a akin to the slave trade.

[league67]

supersingle said:

The Palestinians love death more than the Jews love life.

So by executing more than 1200 people, IDF is actually doing them a favour? Those ungrateful Palestinians. They get what they love and still bh about it.


Even by your exceptionally low standards, that's beyond stupid.

[jonby]

supersingle said:

kitz said:

Terrorist apartheid IDF dead 56
Concentration camp victims 1363

I took a walk yesterday ..
When I returned I calculated I could have walked through Gaza in about
5 hours .
The talk about human shields ...well it flys in the face of common sence .
There is little chance that any Hammas resistance fighter has not had a family member killed
or grievously injured .
People don't use family or friends as human shields .

IDF in the future will have the same respect as the SS have now .

Edited by kitz on Thursday 31st July 09:31

My bold. Evidence would suggest otherwise. The Palestinians love death more than the Jews love life. Having a family member 'Martyred' for the cause confers great honour on the family. It's the reason Palestinian mothers would celebrate their sons' deaths when they blew themselves up as suicide bombers.

Israel put a stop to that with the wall and the embargo. For which they've received nothing but criticism from the so called humanitarians.

When I see phrases like;

Terrorist apartheid IDF dead 56
Concentration camp victims 1363

It makes me wonder whether the poster actually wants peace. Can language like that ever be anything other than counter productive ?

[otolith]

league67 said:

So by executing more than 1200 people, IDF is actually doing them a favour?

Politically, yes. Sick, isn't it?

[anonymous-user]

Supersingle, from many images and videos of Palestinians finding their loved ones are dead, I don't think what you can see them doing is celebrating.

But I guess the media have spun that one eh?(that's not specifically aimed at you).

[supersingle]

league67 said:

supersingle said:

The Palestinians love death more than the Jews love life.

So by executing more than 1200 people, IDF is actually doing them a favour? Those ungrateful Palestinians. They get what they love and still bh about it.


Even by your exceptionally low standards, that's beyond stupid.

I didn't say that did I?

Israel is defending itself as best it can. Hamas is attacking Israel and is trying to lose as many Palestinian civilians as it can in order to further its cause. The unfortunate Palestinians are caught up in the death cult and even those with the sense to stop the hate are powerless to act. Witness Hamas' recent slaughter of 30 Palestinian 'traitors' it accused of spying for Israel.

[Legend83]

otolith said:

Politically, yes. Sick, isn't it?

The notion of Hamas rubbing their hands together with glee at the media coverage of Palestinians being blown to bits sums up the futility of this conflict.

[The Don of Croy]

RedTrident said:

...This war can be ended easily Jim, you keep quoting this line about Hamas wanting to eradicate Israel. This really hasn't been the case for quite some time...

Somebody should tell the BBC - Fiona Bruce repeated this on the 10 o'clock news only this week...

[Qwert1e]

Legend83 said:

The notion of Hamas rubbing their hands together with glee at the media coverage of Palestinians being blown to bits sums up the futility of this conflict.

There is absolutely zero evidence for that. All I'm seeing is thousands of civilians herded into a confined area and blown to bits.

Turn the killing ratio round the other way and you'd have nearly 30,000 dead Israelis.

[Mrr T]

league67 said:

So by executing more than 1200 people, IDF is actually doing them a favour? Those ungrateful Palestinians. They get what they love and still bh about it.


Even by your exceptionally low standards, that's beyond stupid.

So are you suggesting the IDF are now lining victims up against the wall and executing them.

In war civilians die.

The UK and US killed about a million civilians during the second world war most deliberatly.

War is hell.

[anonymous-user]

Even if the bombs stopped flying both ways do we actually have faith in the Israeli government making any effort to promote a two state solution?
I have absolutely no faith in them having any intention of making that reality.
That is one of the primary causes of all this, if that isn't dealt with then none of them will ever see peace.
It is now time for the world to say enough is enough, these children need their parents to smack them both and take their toys from them.
Sanction the Israeli government.
Reinforce the blockade on Hamas.
Americans stop providing any weaponry to Israel (Iron Dome excepted).

[league67]

otolith said:

league67 said:

So by executing more than 1200 people, IDF is actually doing them a favour?

Politically, yes. Sick, isn't it?

I was replying to post saying 'Palestinians' not Hamas. So, the people in the shelter, you know, the Palestinians who love death, who left their own homes because IDF kindly told them that if they stay that they would be that, so those same Palestinians who love death, left their own homes, because they love death? And all that crying by Palestinians is actually tears of joy, because, 'politically' they got what they wanted.

Generosity and wish of IDF to fulfil every Palestinian wish knows no bounds.

[JensenA]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

audidoody said:

Mr allnighter :

I was following your equivocation of the current IDF operations with those of the SS in the Warsaw Ghetto with great interest.

I must have missed the news reports that IDF soldiers were rounding up thousands of unarmed Palestinian men, women, and children and carting them off to concentration camps for medical experiments, industrialised slaughter and the processing of their bodies into soap and lampshades.

Do you have any links on this?

The comparison between Warsaw ghetto, the Nazis and the current situation in Gaza reminds me of when Sepp Blatter said a footballer tied to a 4 year multi million pound contract was a akin to the slave trade.

But we all - the sensible people that is - understood exactly the point he was trying to make, didn't we?

No one is suggesting that the Israelis are rounding people up and transporting them to a Ghetto to slaughter them. But there are some similarities in that many Palestinians have had to move to the WB because the Israelis have bulldozed their houses and forcibly evicted them. The result is that Palestinians now live in a small strip of land, from which there is no escape, and which is being continuously bombarded by military strikes. In effect they are living in a Ghetto that is surrounded by an enemy that isn't overly concerned if some civilians are killed If you are unable to see any similarities, then you are blind, and exhibit exactly the kind of opinions that keep this conflict going.

[SR7492]

JensenA said:

But we all - the sensible people that is - understood exactly the point he was trying to make, didn't we?

No one is suggesting that the Israelis are rounding people up and transporting them to a Ghetto to slaughter them. But there are some similarities in that many Palestinians have had to move to the WB because the Israelis have bulldozed their houses and forcibly evicted them. The result is that Palestinians now live in a small strip of land, from which there is no escape, and which is being continuously bombarded by military strikes. In effect they are living in a Ghetto that is surrounded by an enemy that isn't overly concerned if some civilians are killed If you are unable to see any similarities, then you are blind, and exhibit exactly the kind of opinions that keep this conflict going.

Not blind, just plain dumb and stupid!

Lets be clear here, Israel does not want a 2 state solution - you can argue this all day long but the simple fact is they don't.

The continued occupation on stolen land and building settlements on this land is for all to see; people on here can 'eff off with the 'don't fire rockets' angle line for the mass murder the IDF are committing and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from their own land.

If Israel, who hold ALL the cards in this, wanted REAL peace, they would (and have to) give more away (not that it is theirs in the first place) as part of the negotiations. It is quite clear they don't want to do this (and please don't give me the tosh about Hamas needing to recognise Israel blah blah - we all know Israel is using this to keep on the wheels on its occupation going)

[allnighter]

audidoody said:

Mr allnighter :

I was following your equivocation of the current IDF operations with those of the SS in the Warsaw Ghetto with great interest.

I must have missed the news reports that IDF soldiers were rounding up thousands of unarmed Palestinian men, women, and children and carting them off to concentration camps for medical experiments, industrialised slaughter and the processing of their bodies into soap and lampshades.

Do you have any links on this?

You are right, absolutely right! I do not have any evidence that Palestinian limbs and headless bodies of children, babies, and their respective mums and close relatives are currently scattered all over the densely populated area of a modern concentration camp called Gaza.
Of course Israel has no interest in creating as much mutilation as possible to terrorize the civilian population in the hope they will turn against Hamas.
Gazans should be really grateful that they are only being used as experimental guinea pigs for military training with the 'odd' death here and there, nothing major, nothing of the scale of what Jews endured in WW2.

So please, every time someone deplores civilian deaths in Gaza who were a direct cause of Israel's military actions, keep pulling the holocaust card and keep reminding them that Gazans never had it so good!

[allnighter]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

audidoody said:

Mr allnighter :

I was following your equivocation of the current IDF operations with those of the SS in the Warsaw Ghetto with great interest.

I must have missed the news reports that IDF soldiers were rounding up thousands of unarmed Palestinian men, women, and children and carting them off to concentration camps for medical experiments, industrialised slaughter and the processing of their bodies into soap and lampshades.

Do you have any links on this?

The comparison between Warsaw ghetto, the Nazis and the current situation in Gaza reminds me of when Sepp Blatter said a footballer tied to a 4 year multi million pound contract was a akin to the slave trade.

Keep ROFLing mate, keep ROFLing, that's what you do best on this thread, apart from stupid and lame analogies.