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[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

anonymous said:

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And those supplying weaponry to Hamas, what about them??

Can't touch em unfortunately.

Think back to 9/11 - how many of the hijackers were Saudi and where did the funding come from? What kind of sanctions did Saudi get?

True; let's talk about those arming Hamas though. See, distraction did not succeed, answer the question pertaining to this conflict please.

Do you have a list of those countries? Lets look at them in turn.

Yes; do you?

[JensenA]

Mrr T said:

SR7492 said:

If I took over your house and kicked the living daylights out you; put a fence around so you can't move and invited others to live in the garden - how would you feel? How would you you bring your kids up in this situation?

And I'm describing it in best terms, the actual situation is a lot worse.

So why don't you educate yourself before making idiotic statements like that.

You forgot to mention he is lobbing missiles from the garden into your house.

Further if we are talking about Gaza all the settlements where demolished when Israel left.

No, it's his house not yours. You kicked him out and made him live in the garden.

Yes the settlements were bulldozed, flattened, and all the infrastructure like electricity supplies and sewers were also destroyed, They knew that housing in the WB is in short supply and people are desperate for new homes., but they realised that the Palestinans could never ever live in such nice modern houses, so they flattened them to allow the Palestinans to rebuild the houses from scratch. This was a nice caring gesture from the Israelis.

[s1962a]

US condemns shelling of UN school in Gaza but restocks Israeli ammunition

I am sure the irony is not lost on Putin re Ukraine!

[s1962a]

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

anonymous said:

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And those supplying weaponry to Hamas, what about them??

Can't touch em unfortunately.

Think back to 9/11 - how many of the hijackers were Saudi and where did the funding come from? What kind of sanctions did Saudi get?

True; let's talk about those arming Hamas though. See, distraction did not succeed, answer the question pertaining to this conflict please.

Do you have a list of those countries? Lets look at them in turn.

Yes; do you?

Nope. Not so well versed on this - can you list them on here so your question can be answered.

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

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Agreed. Is that not one of the most simple-minded statements on the thread today?

[anonymous-user]

s1962a said:

There wouldn't need to be any weaponry if the palestinians have a viable state with open borders and freedom to live their lives without outside interference.

I get your point but I think both IDF and Hamas need to be starved of weapons. Perhaps blockade monitored by UN to try to ensure it isn't punitive against all Palestinians.

[Fotic]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

FredClogs said:

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

As is the case with Hamas and a number of Arab/Persian states. Those 1,000s of rockets don't grow on trees, or in tunnels in this case.

This is true. However, none of those arab countries seem to be held to account for their support of hamas.

US just sold a shipment of arms recently to the IDF as well. Bit rich selling weapons that kill people, and then complaining their weapons are being used to kill children.

Then how about holding said nations to account for arming Hamas, as you do with the US for arming Israel?

Absolutely. Clearly you haven't read comments i've made before about Saudi's and funding/support for 9/11.

Who's gonna hold them to account exactly? Don't let the fact they own a big percentage of the US dollar get in the way.

You going to answer this one Jim?

[s1962a]

anonymous said:

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My point (however simplistic) was more along the lines of the palestinians having some sort of normal life where they can focus on their kids education, having a career, making money, and just living their lives. Given time, what support would there be for Hamas, and thus conflict?

[otolith]

anonymous said:

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If you blockade them long enough they will be killing each other with sticks, stones and the jawbones of asses.

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

supersingle said:

Countdown said:

supersingle said:

The Palestinians love death more than the Jews love life.

I'd suggest the Palestinians fear death as much as the Jews but prefer to fight rather than accept being killed at the whim of the Israelis.

When the British fought the Nazis it wasn't because we loved death more than they loved life.

How do you explain mothers celebrating the martyrdom of their suicide bomber sons? How about the Jew hatred in Palestinian children's TV? What about the Palestinian parades of young children dressed as suicide bombers?

It goes way beyond armed resistance. It's a vile suicidal cult of hate and death which Hamas cultivate for their own ends.

Let's hold our breath and wait for an answer; ready.....go!

Can you provide some recent examples? I can only think of the ones from early 2000's. Not aware of any suicide bombings in gaza recently.

Ummm, the wall, which you call inhumane, have stopped that. The checkpoints, which you call inhumane, have stopped that. The point he was making was that these people still indoctrinate their children by dressing them as suicide bombers in parades. Whether or not they find success as a suicide bomber is really another discussion altogether. It is worrisome how you saw that point.

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

FredClogs said:

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

As is the case with Hamas and a number of Arab/Persian states. Those 1,000s of rockets don't grow on trees, or in tunnels in this case.

This is true. However, none of those arab countries seem to be held to account for their support of hamas.

US just sold a shipment of arms recently to the IDF as well. Bit rich selling weapons that kill people, and then complaining their weapons are being used to kill children.

Then how about holding said nations to account for arming Hamas, as you do with the US for arming Israel?

Absolutely. Clearly you haven't read comments i've made before about Saudi's and funding/support for 9/11.

Who's gonna hold them to account exactly? Don't let the fact they own a big percentage of the US dollar get in the way.

How much of a "big percent of the US Dollar" do they own, please?

[Art0ir]

anonymous said:

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Israel don't want an end to the conflict. As far as Bibi and his government are concerned, all of Palestine is their's.

[Jimbeaux]

Fotic said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

FredClogs said:

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

As is the case with Hamas and a number of Arab/Persian states. Those 1,000s of rockets don't grow on trees, or in tunnels in this case.

This is true. However, none of those arab countries seem to be held to account for their support of hamas.

US just sold a shipment of arms recently to the IDF as well. Bit rich selling weapons that kill people, and then complaining their weapons are being used to kill children.

Then how about holding said nations to account for arming Hamas, as you do with the US for arming Israel?

Absolutely. Clearly you haven't read comments i've made before about Saudi's and funding/support for 9/11.

Who's gonna hold them to account exactly? Don't let the fact they own a big percentage of the US dollar get in the way.

You going to answer this one Jim?

I did. I can't personally abide the fecking Saudis and the way they treat women, other religions, or anybody they see as a "lower class". I think we should distance ourselves from them. Now that that is said, I am not interested in the Saudis in this discussion, I am discussing those who arm Hamas.

[s1962a]

Jimbeaux said:

Fotic said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

FredClogs said:

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

As is the case with Hamas and a number of Arab/Persian states. Those 1,000s of rockets don't grow on trees, or in tunnels in this case.

This is true. However, none of those arab countries seem to be held to account for their support of hamas.

US just sold a shipment of arms recently to the IDF as well. Bit rich selling weapons that kill people, and then complaining their weapons are being used to kill children.

Then how about holding said nations to account for arming Hamas, as you do with the US for arming Israel?

Absolutely. Clearly you haven't read comments i've made before about Saudi's and funding/support for 9/11.

Who's gonna hold them to account exactly? Don't let the fact they own a big percentage of the US dollar get in the way.

You going to answer this one Jim?

I did. I can't personally abide the fecking Saudis and the way they treat women, other religions, or anybody they see as a "lower class". I think we should distance ourselves from them. Now that that is said, I am not interested in the Saudis in this discussion, I am discussing those who arm Hamas.

You got that list of countries that support hamas yet Jim?

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

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There really does not have to be support for Hamas by the Palestinians as long as they are supported by others with money and arms.

[Jimbeaux]

anonymous said:

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Is that written is a manifesto of sorts like the one Hamas has calling for Israel's destruction?

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

Fotic said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

FredClogs said:

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

As is the case with Hamas and a number of Arab/Persian states. Those 1,000s of rockets don't grow on trees, or in tunnels in this case.

This is true. However, none of those arab countries seem to be held to account for their support of hamas.

US just sold a shipment of arms recently to the IDF as well. Bit rich selling weapons that kill people, and then complaining their weapons are being used to kill children.

Then how about holding said nations to account for arming Hamas, as you do with the US for arming Israel?

Absolutely. Clearly you haven't read comments i've made before about Saudi's and funding/support for 9/11.

Who's gonna hold them to account exactly? Don't let the fact they own a big percentage of the US dollar get in the way.

You going to answer this one Jim?

I did. I can't personally abide the fecking Saudis and the way they treat women, other religions, or anybody they see as a "lower class". I think we should distance ourselves from them. Now that that is said, I am not interested in the Saudis in this discussion, I am discussing those who arm Hamas.

You got that list of countries that support hamas yet Jim?

Qatar and Turkey. Although support from Iran has waned, Hezbollah, and Iranian-supported terror group, is trying to get Hamas back into the fold.

http://time.com/#3033681/hamas-gaza-palestine-isra...


Have you got how much of "a large percent of the US Dollar" the Saudis own worked up yet?

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 31st July 15:23

[TwigtheWonderkid]

andymadmak said:

If this conflict is about Hamas wanting an end to the blockade, can I ask whether Hamas also fires rockets into Egypt? Genuine question.

I've already asked that question, but was informed by Countdown that as Hamas only had a limited number of missiles, they were using them on Israel.

I did ask when this limited supply would run out but got no response.

[FredClogs]

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

Which, for those who like to pick sides in this issue, is enough reason for many to choose the opposite one.

Which is ironic, given the historical "enemy of my enemy" doctrine of the US foreign policy they dislike so much.

It's less about diplomacy and more simply about democracy and money, the pro Israel lobby in the USA is very large, well funded and well organised.

[otolith]

FredClogs said:

otolith said:

FredClogs said:

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

Which, for those who like to pick sides in this issue, is enough reason for many to choose the opposite one.

Which is ironic, given the historical "enemy of my enemy" doctrine of the US foreign policy they dislike so much.

It's less about diplomacy and more simply about democracy and money, the pro Israel lobby in the USA is very large, well funded and well organised.

It's also about the knee-jerk reflex of anti-Americanism amongst many on the Left.