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[s1962a]

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

Fotic said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

FredClogs said:

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

As is the case with Hamas and a number of Arab/Persian states. Those 1,000s of rockets don't grow on trees, or in tunnels in this case.

This is true. However, none of those arab countries seem to be held to account for their support of hamas.

US just sold a shipment of arms recently to the IDF as well. Bit rich selling weapons that kill people, and then complaining their weapons are being used to kill children.

Then how about holding said nations to account for arming Hamas, as you do with the US for arming Israel?

Absolutely. Clearly you haven't read comments i've made before about Saudi's and funding/support for 9/11.

Who's gonna hold them to account exactly? Don't let the fact they own a big percentage of the US dollar get in the way.

You going to answer this one Jim?

I did. I can't personally abide the fecking Saudis and the way they treat women, other religions, or anybody they see as a "lower class". I think we should distance ourselves from them. Now that that is said, I am not interested in the Saudis in this discussion, I am discussing those who arm Hamas.

You got that list of countries that support hamas yet Jim?

Yes, have you got how much of "a large percent of the US Dollar" the Saudis own worked up yet?

It's around 6% from what I recall. This link might help you understand the influence that Saudi has on the dollar

http://smaulgld.com/why-saudi-arabia-matters-in-he...

Your google-fu not coming up with a list of countries that support hamas?

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

It's around 6% from what I recall. This link might help you understand the influence that Saudi has on the dollar

http://smaulgld.com/why-saudi-arabia-matters-in-he...

Your google-fu not coming up with a list of countries that support hamas?

I added them, look back.

[Mrr T]

JensenA said:

No, it's his house not yours. You kicked him out and made him live in the garden.

Yes the settlements were bulldozed, flattened, and all the infrastructure like electricity supplies and sewers were also destroyed, They knew that housing in the WB is in short supply and people are desperate for new homes., but they realised that the Palestinans could never ever live in such nice modern houses, so they flattened them to allow the Palestinans to rebuild the houses from scratch. This was a nice caring gesture from the Israelis.

OK so it his house and you live in it but the missiles are aimed at you,

So you agree now Israel removed all settlers from Gaza in 2005 and your only complaint against Israel is they demolished the settlers houses. Have you considered this was done to stop settlers returning not to deny them to the Palestine's?

You also need to update your analogy to include the about 3,000 commercial greenhouses bought by benefactors from the settlers to be given to those in Gaza to start to rebuild the economy which where immediately trashed and destroyed by mobs.

[s1962a]

Jimbeaux said:

Qatar and Turkey. Although support from Iran has waned, Hezbollah, and Iranian-supported terror group, is trying to get Hamas back into the fold.

Interesting.

Qatar we've rewarded with the world cup, and they treat workers like slaves. The Qatari soverign fund also has interests in western companies that might be harmful.

Turkey - what are relations like with Turkey and the US?

Iran - no idea why they aren't held to account

Now that I think about this more, why aren't there more efforts to hold these countries to account? The US has the clout to do it.

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

Fotic said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

FredClogs said:

Israel will always receive the support and huge financial backing of the USA, this is abundantly clear.

As is the case with Hamas and a number of Arab/Persian states. Those 1,000s of rockets don't grow on trees, or in tunnels in this case.

This is true. However, none of those arab countries seem to be held to account for their support of hamas.

US just sold a shipment of arms recently to the IDF as well. Bit rich selling weapons that kill people, and then complaining their weapons are being used to kill children.

Then how about holding said nations to account for arming Hamas, as you do with the US for arming Israel?

Absolutely. Clearly you haven't read comments i've made before about Saudi's and funding/support for 9/11.

Who's gonna hold them to account exactly? Don't let the fact they own a big percentage of the US dollar get in the way.

You going to answer this one Jim?

I did. I can't personally abide the fecking Saudis and the way they treat women, other religions, or anybody they see as a "lower class". I think we should distance ourselves from them. Now that that is said, I am not interested in the Saudis in this discussion, I am discussing those who arm Hamas.

You got that list of countries that support hamas yet Jim?

Yes, have you got how much of "a large percent of the US Dollar" the Saudis own worked up yet?

It's around 6% from what I recall. This link might help you understand the influence that Saudi has on the dollar

http://smaulgld.com/why-saudi-arabia-matters-in-he...

Your google-fu not coming up with a list of countries that support hamas?

Here is a list of nations grouped as "Oil Exporters" that collectively own US Securities:

Ecuador, Venezuela, Indonesia, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar,
Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Gabon, Libya, and Nigeria

Together, they own $257.9 Billion Dollars. Hardly 6% - Source / U.S. Treasury

Not that any of this is relevant to the discussion of who is arming Hamas.

[s1962a]

Jimbeaux said:

Here is a list of nations grouped as "Oil Exporters" that collectively own US Securities:

Ecuador, Venezuela, Indonesia, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar,
Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Gabon, Libya, and Nigeria

Together, they own $257.9 Billion Dollars. Hardly 6% - Source / U.S. Treasury

Not that any of this is relevant to the discussion of who is arming Hamas.

Your analytical skills are exemplary. If what you say is true, why were they not held to account?

Why are the hamas supporting countries you have listed - Qatar and Turkey not held to account?

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

Qatar and Turkey. Although support from Iran has waned, Hezbollah, and Iranian-supported terror group, is trying to get Hamas back into the fold.

Interesting.

Qatar we've rewarded with the world cup, and they treat workers like slaves. The Qatari soverign fund also has interests in western companies that might be harmful.

Turkey - what are relations like with Turkey and the US?

Iran - no idea why they aren't held to account

Now that I think about this more, why aren't there more efforts to hold these countries to account? The US has the clout to do it.

We agree 100% here. On why we don't hold them to task, I don't know. I have several theories but that is all they are.
Turkey is a classic love/hate relationship, very odd. It is actually palatable IMO, evident during a few visits to Istanbul.
Iran is being given "slack" by Obama on the nuke negotiations because he seems to be of the mind that being cordial and gentle will get his way. He has yet to figure out that those nations see "slack" not as a compromise but a weakness.
As I said, we agree on this.

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

Here is a list of nations grouped as "Oil Exporters" that collectively own US Securities:

Ecuador, Venezuela, Indonesia, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar,
Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Algeria, Gabon, Libya, and Nigeria

Together, they own $257.9 Billion Dollars. Hardly 6% - Source / U.S. Treasury

Not that any of this is relevant to the discussion of who is arming Hamas.

Your analytical skills are exemplary. If what you say is true, why were they not held to account?

Why are the hamas supporting countries you have listed - Qatar and Turkey not held to account?

As I have answered below, excellent question. I agree.

As to my skills and if it is true, your sarcasm aside, the U.S. Treasury says so, not I.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 31st July 15:41

[s1962a]

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

Qatar and Turkey. Although support from Iran has waned, Hezbollah, and Iranian-supported terror group, is trying to get Hamas back into the fold.

Interesting.

Qatar we've rewarded with the world cup, and they treat workers like slaves. The Qatari soverign fund also has interests in western companies that might be harmful.

Turkey - what are relations like with Turkey and the US?

Iran - no idea why they aren't held to account

Now that I think about this more, why aren't there more efforts to hold these countries to account? The US has the clout to do it.

We agree 100% here. On why we don't hold them to task, I don't know. I have several theories but that is all they are.
Turkey is a classic love/hate relationship, very odd. It is actually palatable IMO, evident during a few visits to Istanbul.
Iran is being given "slack" by Obama on the nuke negotiations because he seems to be of the mind that being cordial and gentle will get his way. He has yet to figure out that those nations see "slack" not as a compromise but a weakness.
As I said, we agree on this.

I am glad you see there are things we can agree on if you look at them rationally.

This article is interesting - is the source credible?

Qatar: American friend, Israeli foe

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

Qatar and Turkey. Although support from Iran has waned, Hezbollah, and Iranian-supported terror group, is trying to get Hamas back into the fold.

Interesting.

Qatar we've rewarded with the world cup, and they treat workers like slaves. The Qatari soverign fund also has interests in western companies that might be harmful.

Turkey - what are relations like with Turkey and the US?

Iran - no idea why they aren't held to account

Now that I think about this more, why aren't there more efforts to hold these countries to account? The US has the clout to do it.

We agree 100% here. On why we don't hold them to task, I don't know. I have several theories but that is all they are.
Turkey is a classic love/hate relationship, very odd. It is actually palatable IMO, evident during a few visits to Istanbul.
Iran is being given "slack" by Obama on the nuke negotiations because he seems to be of the mind that being cordial and gentle will get his way. He has yet to figure out that those nations see "slack" not as a compromise but a weakness.
As I said, we agree on this.

I am glad you see there are things we can agree on if you look at them rationally.

Thanks; if you do the same, things could be even better.

[jonby]

Mrr T said:

You also need to update your analogy to include the about 3,000 commercial greenhouses bought by benefactors from the settlers to be given to those in Gaza to start to rebuild the economy which where immediately trashed and destroyed by mobs.

I've never got my head around that one

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

Qatar and Turkey. Although support from Iran has waned, Hezbollah, and Iranian-supported terror group, is trying to get Hamas back into the fold.

Interesting.

Qatar we've rewarded with the world cup, and they treat workers like slaves. The Qatari soverign fund also has interests in western companies that might be harmful.

Turkey - what are relations like with Turkey and the US?

Iran - no idea why they aren't held to account

Now that I think about this more, why aren't there more efforts to hold these countries to account? The US has the clout to do it.

We agree 100% here. On why we don't hold them to task, I don't know. I have several theories but that is all they are.
Turkey is a classic love/hate relationship, very odd. It is actually palatable IMO, evident during a few visits to Istanbul.
Iran is being given "slack" by Obama on the nuke negotiations because he seems to be of the mind that being cordial and gentle will get his way. He has yet to figure out that those nations see "slack" not as a compromise but a weakness.
As I said, we agree on this.

I am glad you see there are things we can agree on if you look at them rationally.

This article is interesting - is the source credible?

Qatar: American friend, Israeli foe

I cannot say if the source is credible either way. I see the tightrope walking here. Qatar provides a strategic location for Centcom HQ. They receive money but more importantly security for hosting that HQ. I suppose Obama feels that is leverage enough to pressure them into not supporting Hamas. If he has really done so, I cannot say; one would hope so. Qatar insists that they support the Palestinians, not Hamas. That is a very fine line there and warrants investigation on someone's part. I can see where it makes Israel suspicious. Personally, I would threaten to shift Centcom HQ elsewhere and actively begin planning such a relocation. That would leverage them to actually not support Hamas. That is my opinion anyway.

[Mrr T]

jonby said:

Mrr T said:

You also need to update your analogy to include the about 3,000 commercial greenhouses bought by benefactors from the settlers to be given to those in Gaza to start to rebuild the economy which where immediately trashed and destroyed by mobs.

I've never got my head around that one

Perhaps they where being oppressed by the Perspex?

[Jimbeaux]

jonby said:

Mrr T said:

You also need to update your analogy to include the about 3,000 commercial greenhouses bought by benefactors from the settlers to be given to those in Gaza to start to rebuild the economy which where immediately trashed and destroyed by mobs.

I've never got my head around that one

It was tainted by Zionists hands; those greenhouses would have grown plants with flowers resembling cartoons of the prophet. Sounds silly? Not so much really.

[jonby]

s1962a said:

Bit rich selling weapons that kill people, and then complaining their weapons are being used to kill children.

Absolutely. That would be like launching weapons from & hiding weapons in schools then complaining when the schools are hit in return. Oh wait a minute.........

to be fair btw, I do actually kind of agree with you

[s1962a]

jonby said:

s1962a said:

Bit rich selling weapons that kill people, and then complaining their weapons are being used to kill children.

Absolutely. That would be like launching weapons from & hiding weapons in schools then complaining when the schools are hit in return. Oh wait a minute.........

You just compared the US to Hamas and even I wouldn't go there.

Well done.

[s1962a]

Jimbeaux said:

jonby said:

Mrr T said:

You also need to update your analogy to include the about 3,000 commercial greenhouses bought by benefactors from the settlers to be given to those in Gaza to start to rebuild the economy which where immediately trashed and destroyed by mobs.

I've never got my head around that one

It was tainted by Zionists hands; those greenhouses would have grown plants with flowers resembling cartoons of the prophet. Sounds silly? Not so much really.

Might have also made it harder to bomb the area, killing innocent people and children. Sounds silly?

[otolith]

jonby said:

Mrr T said:

You also need to update your analogy to include the about 3,000 commercial greenhouses bought by benefactors from the settlers to be given to those in Gaza to start to rebuild the economy which where immediately trashed and destroyed by mobs.

I've never got my head around that one

They were looted.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9331863/ns/world_news-mi...

[s1962a]

Someone please explain why this family was targeted?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-gaza-11-mem...

[Jimbeaux]

s1962a said:

Jimbeaux said:

jonby said:

Mrr T said:

You also need to update your analogy to include the about 3,000 commercial greenhouses bought by benefactors from the settlers to be given to those in Gaza to start to rebuild the economy which where immediately trashed and destroyed by mobs.

I've never got my head around that one

It was tainted by Zionists hands; those greenhouses would have grown plants with flowers resembling cartoons of the prophet. Sounds silly? Not so much really.

Might have also made it harder to bomb the area, killing innocent people and children. Sounds silly?

Ah, see, neither of our extreme views were accurate, they were looted.