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s1962a said:
Jimbeaux said:
Scuffers said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Jimbeaux said:
jonby said:
s1962a said:
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/07/idf-sniper-a...
If true, this guy shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a combat zone. What a loony.
could;t agree more. One would hope pretty much everyone would agree that (as you say, most importantly, if true) action be taken against someone like that- it goes way beyond being a loonyIf true, this guy shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a combat zone. What a loony.
Guam said:
Here we go trying to derail the thread lol.
I wasnt convinced he was going to win, but hey relaying the truth was never your strong point (which is why I typically ignore you) insult is pretty much the mainstay of your armoury with any topic and anyone who disagrees with any stance you take.
Its rather sad frankly as you seem to be very capable.
Whatever floats your boat eh?
In my 13 years on here I have seen your type come and go with cyclical regularity, like buses there will always be another along shortly
Anyhow for the sake of good order on this thread lets leave it there shall we?
In short, you accept that my answers answered his question in full but you're loathe to admit it. How brave. I didn't derail the thread he did, he asked a question and I answered it. My answer referred to evidence that is undeniably on the historical record and you know it. Or would you care to refute it on his behalf? I wasnt convinced he was going to win, but hey relaying the truth was never your strong point (which is why I typically ignore you) insult is pretty much the mainstay of your armoury with any topic and anyone who disagrees with any stance you take.
Its rather sad frankly as you seem to be very capable.
Whatever floats your boat eh?
In my 13 years on here I have seen your type come and go with cyclical regularity, like buses there will always be another along shortly
Anyhow for the sake of good order on this thread lets leave it there shall we?
He then resorted to precisely the kind of name calling that he'd previously said was beneath him. By scratching away the bonhomie, I've revealed a nasty piece of work who can't back up his own arguments. I'd say he's the one who's been drawn into an unflattering light and you do yourself no favours by associating yourself with him.
Octoposse said:
Scuffers said:
Anybody that thinks Hamas care two hoots about the civilian population is seriously deluded, they just use them as pawns and cannon fodder to garner more support from the gullible.
Hamas' goal is a viable Palestinian state, in which the civilian population have a dignified and independent future.Hamas prime directive is the destruction of Israel...
Jimbeaux said:
Care to comment on the recent Whitehouse statement? Your President, who is advised by the best military lawyers in the US, doesn't seem to think that a few leaflets were adequate warning either.
Smileys only confirm your inability to respond credibly.
Guam said:
Here you go again, my comment was limited only to your tendencies to think you speak for others, You brought up an utter piece of rubbish regarding an old thread, now you pull the "guilt by association" stunt we see far to often around here these days.
You havent revealed anything, I have encountered Jim for some 9 years on here (2005 he joined iirc), and whilst we haven't always agreed, I have found him over that 9 years or so to pretty affable.
You on the other hand delight in insulting posters at any and every opportunity (as you effectively just did with me).
Fortunately like most "old timers" on here I dont give a toss what you think of me or any other poster come to that). The attentive will note I haven't disagreed with much you have posted on this thread, was I ignoring you or did I agree with much of it?
Only I can know for sure, doubtless you will make something up to suit your mindset on this issue.
To be blunt I would rather have a beer with Jim (even given there is much I disagree with him on) than you old son!
You associated yourself with him when you saidYou havent revealed anything, I have encountered Jim for some 9 years on here (2005 he joined iirc), and whilst we haven't always agreed, I have found him over that 9 years or so to pretty affable.
You on the other hand delight in insulting posters at any and every opportunity (as you effectively just did with me).
Fortunately like most "old timers" on here I dont give a toss what you think of me or any other poster come to that). The attentive will note I haven't disagreed with much you have posted on this thread, was I ignoring you or did I agree with much of it?
Only I can know for sure, doubtless you will make something up to suit your mindset on this issue.
To be blunt I would rather have a beer with Jim (even given there is much I disagree with him on) than you old son!
Guam said:
He doesnt speak for everyone Jim, although he likes to believe he does
Please indicate, using your well honed research skills, where I have claimed to speak for others. And, for the record, would you like me to dig up a few of the better insults you've aimed at me in the past? You give as good as you get and pretending that you are all sweetness and light won't wash, so give it up.
Anyway, according to Jimbeaux's philosophy, you getting dragged in to an argument and getting a bit shot up is justifiable collateral damage. It's just like what happened to the scores of innocent Palestinian children killed so far, you should be proud to have served such a useful purpose.
Scuffers said:
Octoposse said:
Scuffers said:
Anybody that thinks Hamas care two hoots about the civilian population is seriously deluded, they just use them as pawns and cannon fodder to garner more support from the gullible.
Hamas' goal is a viable Palestinian state, in which the civilian population have a dignified and independent future.Hamas prime directive is the destruction of Israel...
Octoposse said:
Scuffers said:
Octoposse said:
Scuffers said:
Anybody that thinks Hamas care two hoots about the civilian population is seriously deluded, they just use them as pawns and cannon fodder to garner more support from the gullible.
Hamas' goal is a viable Palestinian state, in which the civilian population have a dignified and independent future.Hamas prime directive is the destruction of Israel...
Its not a negotiation position, its their reason for existing.
otolith said:
s1962a said:
Someone please explain why this family was targeted?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-gaza-11-mem...
Unless there is something that the article is not saying, it seems unlikely that they were.http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-gaza-11-mem...
Scuffers said:
of the 1,200 or so that have died, just how many actually are NOT Hamas fighters (or are we to believe that no Hamas fighters have been killed?) and how do we know just how many have been killed by Hamas?
not trying to excuse the IDF for some mistakes, but let's at least understand the reality of the situation.
According to the Washington Post article 86 Hamas fighters have been killed.not trying to excuse the IDF for some mistakes, but let's at least understand the reality of the situation.
Countdown said:
Scuffers said:
of the 1,200 or so that have died, just how many actually are NOT Hamas fighters (or are we to believe that no Hamas fighters have been killed?) and how do we know just how many have been killed by Hamas?
not trying to excuse the IDF for some mistakes, but let's at least understand the reality of the situation.
According to the Washington Post article 86 Hamas fighters have been killed.not trying to excuse the IDF for some mistakes, but let's at least understand the reality of the situation.
Wonder where they got that from?
franki68 said:
s1962a said:
Thats why I said "if true". any rebuttals against it, other than people saying it's fake?
How many children killed by sniper fire ?Not read of any myself.
I would suggest that information would determine if that was possibly true .
sniper fire in Gaza
Edited by supersingle on Thursday 31st July 22:05
Scuffers said:
Octoposse said:
Scuffers said:
Octoposse said:
Scuffers said:
Anybody that thinks Hamas care two hoots about the civilian population is seriously deluded, they just use them as pawns and cannon fodder to garner more support from the gullible.
Hamas' goal is a viable Palestinian state, in which the civilian population have a dignified and independent future.Hamas prime directive is the destruction of Israel...
Its not a negotiation position, its their reason for existing.
“Land for peace”, and two states;
1) A viable Palestinian state based on Gaza and the West Bank;
2) The permanent border between the two states freely negotiated between them – undoubtedly ending up as some close +/- to the 1967 border;
3) Palestinian (and other relevant Arab state) recognition of Israel;
4) Security guarantees for all states in the region;
5) Surrender by the Palestinians of the Right of Return to lands falling within the agreed Israeli borders (which is by inference the same as point (3) AND the two state solution;
6) Partition and/or some form of international status for Jerusalem.
. . . . and a shed load of money from the international community.
You really think Hamas wouldn't sign up to that? And they could deliver - they have the credentials to compromise, whilst others (like the 'leaders' of the Palestinian people that Israel and the US appoint/annoint) would merely look like sell-outs, and they have discipline.
But right now an Israeli government couldn't and wouldn't agree - the internal political price of giving up most of the settlements is colossal. Instead Israel’s strategy is to create conditions in which a cowed Palestinian side (and 'bought' leaders) sign up to am agreement very much in Israel’s favour - essentially a scattering of bantustans, tribal reservations in effect - and the rest of the World guarantees it.
The obstacle to peace is not Hamas but the Israeli settlements. Settlements that have come about for strategic reasons, for romantic historical reasons, religion, opportunism, random chance but mainly, in retrospect, folly. Now they are the tail wagging the Israeli dog – Israeli governments cannot conceive of paying the internal political price of giving up sufficient of the occupied territories that will give the Palestinians the land, water and resources they need to establish a viable state. So – with total US support – they play wack-a-mole and wait for circumstances in which some Palestinian leader will sign off the Israeli wish list.
Israel wants its people to live in peace but is not prepared to pay the political cost of peace - by and large it's something they achieve for year after year - physical barriers, overwhelming military power and the backing of the US ensure that. However, picking this fight with Hamas is beginning to look like a strategic error - what's the exit strategy? What does 'victory' look like in the absence of a Hamas surrender (which is effectively what an unconditional ceasefire is).
fblm said:
Mr Snap said:
...It's just like what happened to the scores of innocent Palestinian children killed so far...
Yeah just like that. Has this thread hit bottom yet?You'd have thought that for such a clever, he'd have a ready answer.
But no.
Scuffers said:
you do realise that Israel actually provided small arms to the palestinian authority for them to police their own area's don't you?
Anybody that thinks Hamas care two hoots about the civilian population is seriously deluded, they just use them as pawns and cannon fodder to garner more support from the gullible.
of the 1,200 or so that have died, just how many actually are NOT Hamas fighters (or are we to believe that no Hamas fighters have been killed?) and how do we know just how many have been killed by Hamas?
not trying to excuse the IDF for some mistakes, but let's at least understand the reality of the situation.
Look at the Daily Mail photos Anybody that thinks Hamas care two hoots about the civilian population is seriously deluded, they just use them as pawns and cannon fodder to garner more support from the gullible.
of the 1,200 or so that have died, just how many actually are NOT Hamas fighters (or are we to believe that no Hamas fighters have been killed?) and how do we know just how many have been killed by Hamas?
not trying to excuse the IDF for some mistakes, but let's at least understand the reality of the situation.
You have no shame ....
Jim has been found out repeatedly throughout this thread. I would not waste your time with him. What Israel is doing is indefensible for most people. The UN have spoken out and even the US president is on record condemning what has taken place.
Israel is not winning this war. It's supporters are starting to distance themselves. Their tactics here, whatever they are, are not working. Hamas is stronger than ever and Israel's actions has ensured their ranks being bolsterd for another generation.
Israel is not winning this war. It's supporters are starting to distance themselves. Their tactics here, whatever they are, are not working. Hamas is stronger than ever and Israel's actions has ensured their ranks being bolsterd for another generation.
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