Israeli

[jonby]

watch the youtube video above and you'll get your answers

Just read an incredible new piece about a Gazan & Israeli friendship
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/31/gazas-west-si...

[Funkycoldribena]

jonby said:

it's an old one but it's as compelling today as it was then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo

Go and find a wall and bash your head against it,you might as well for all the good that video will do.I've posted videos but they don't want to see it.Sad really but you will never get through to those on here who are entrenched in their view and have been tricked by the Hamas pr machine,they've done it many times and and are so good at it that they've fooled TV companies and the UN before so its not surprising people on here can't see it.

[Jimbeaux]

Kaj91 said:

Is this man's opinion more important than others? If so, why, because he is a famous actor? Actors are our modern day jesters, here for our entertainment, they have no more (most often less) qualifications to know what is what than most other people. He is entitled to his opinion but you post this as if it carries more weight because he is a famous actor.

[Jimbeaux]

peterpeter said:

supersingle said:

It very well may be deliberate, but when schools and hospitals are used as weapon dumps and launching platforms they become military targets. Hamas using schools and hospitals for military purposes is certainly a war crime.

Or are you saying that the IDF are deliberately targeting civilians? In which case I would agree, that would be criminal. There's no evidence that this is happening. What would Israel gain by doing so?

By the way, Israel makes much of its own weaponry, especially the high-tech stuff. That's what comes from having a population of educated, resourceful and productive citizens. A far cry from the rest of the middle east.

christ, you are thick

open your eyes dumbass

Come on Peter, you are better than that my friend. Israel does make much of its own weaponry and have some specialized corporations with proprietary inventions. Super single implied that many in the ME are not productive and creative. That is insulting, I understand. The subsidizing of many Mideast citizens by oil rich governments tends to breed a dependent helpless society. That said, Supersingle I ask that you consider the fact that many in the ME are not subsidized and have not been given the opportunities, incentives, education, etc. to "be productive". In addition, many in the ME live in what are still tribal societies that do not offer much of a chance for progress as well. Given the same conditions, ME citizens could demonstrate the same creativity as anyone IMO. You both make good points as and always have; however, it is probably a good idea that we all, me certainly included, make an attempt to be a bit more cordial to each other and not let our passions for our positions override our manners and respectful discourse. As I said, I am often as guilty as anyone. Let's move forward, debate our differences and pray that whatever happens, both Palestinians and Israelis get to live in peace.

[Octoposse]

Funkycoldribena said:

jonby said:

it's an old one but it's as compelling today as it was then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX6vyT8RzMo

Go and find a wall and bash your head against it,you might as well for all the good that video will do.I've posted videos but they don't want to see it.Sad really but you will never get through to those on here who are entrenched in their view and have been tricked by the Hamas pr machine,they've done it many times and and are so good at it that they've fooled TV companies and the UN before so its not surprising people on here can't see it.

Compelling? This is the British government line at the time, not a neutral fact-driven report. Not that long after a British Government helped stall a ceasefire in Lebanon to enable Israel to 'finish off' Hezbollah (with huge collateral damage). What happened to the Prime Minister at the time . . . oh yes, he's now the Middle East Peace Envoy . . . .

And it's a bit rich to criticise the Hamas PR machine when this whole bloody conflict appears to have been based on a falsehood: as you're so fond of YouTube clips try the one of Netanyahu, face to camera, confirming that Hamas were responsible for the abduction and murder of the three Israeli teenagers, a crime cynically seized upon as a pretext to initiate this war.

[league67]

Mrr T said:

league67 said:

You should do refresher course. I'll help you out with the starting point as the previous one was obviously too taxing.

http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/5...

While you are at it, maybe you should research term 'friend'. IMHO you are confusing term friend with term 'set of pixels'.

Ok so are the citizens of Gaza “protected civilians”?

I'm sorry, I think you are confusing my charitable work, where I'm helping handicapped with being your research assistant. I already gave you applicable articles, as well as starting page. I understand that you are struggling. Maybe I should have started you with something simpler, like the difference between 'no' and 'know'.

[anonymous-user]

BREAKING NEWS:

IT APPEARS WE HAVE BEEN DUPED BY A CLEVER TERRORIST PR PLOY, WITH THE UN, THE BBC, THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT, PRESIDENT OBAMA (and anyone else we can blame)SEEMINGLY COMPLICIT IN THE PLOT. THESE THOUSAND PALESTINIANS HAVEN'T BEEN KILLED BY ISRAEL, NO, THEY WERE JUST HAVING A LIE DOWN.

[Funkycoldribena]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

.Answer me the same question I asked Red trident earlier on and got no reply-Have the UN/BBC/CNN etc been duped by Hamas/fatah/palestinans before? Its a simple yes or no answer.

Edited by Funkycoldribena on Saturday 2nd August 02:44

Edited by Funkycoldribena on Saturday 2nd August 02:49

Edited by Funkycoldribena on Saturday 2nd August 02:50

[NoNeed]

[skyrover]

jonby said:

watch the youtube video above and you'll get your answers

Just read an incredible new piece about a Gazan & Israeli friendship
http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/07/31/gazas-west-si...

Bloody hell, that's just heartbreaking

[NWTony]

NoNeed said:

Bet that is bks!

[TwigtheWonderkid]

RedTrident said:

supersingle said:

That's what comes from having a population of educated, resourceful and productive citizens. A far cry from the rest of the middle east.

Did they not kill their leader because he was going to negotiate a peace? Have you ever met one of these settlers?

And what happened to the peace he was trying to negotiate? Thrown back in his face to the amazement and dismay of the whole world. And to the absolute delight of the Israeli extremists. Even Vanessa Redgrave lost interest in "the cause" after that.

[anonymous-user]

Hannity junior, stop trying to play down the whole thing as just propaganda. In situations like this there is always propaganda from both sides, you're pursuing an argument with yourself about it. This is how it is - social media and the greater availability of recording devices, transferability of digital media and sharing of information has allowed the world to see more of what is happening there. The lack of this used to be to Israel's advantage, it is now swinging the Palestinians' way.

[anonymous-user]

NWTony said:

Bet that is bks!

It will be. I cannot imagine Attenborough thinking crocodiles to be cruel and if the real DA was that way inclined I'm sure he would single out the Israeli authorities in particular.

[Zeeky]

Mrr T said:

Zeeky said:

Most States disagree with that assertion. Assuming the Convention doesn't apply because Palestine isn't a State signatory, how does Israel avoid being bound by the same provisions in Customary Law.

You clearly no nothing about the Geneva convention.

I know sufficient International Law to know that Israel is bound by most of the Customary International Humanitarian Law. I also know that Israel's claim that the Palestinian people are not protected by the Convention is based on the fact Palestine is not a State signatory to the Convention. I also know that most States disagree with this claim.

How does Israel avoid its obligations under Customary Law?

[Zeeky]

joema said:

...Why did we give them that country?...

I think you are asking the wrong question. It should be, why do we think we can 'give' anyone any land that doesn't belong to us in the first place?

Israel was created through European settlers and the violence of those settlers. It was given legitimacy by other European States and States created from settlement(often violent) by European States.

We have tried to impose a system of rules, designed to regulate behaviour between European States, onto the rest of the world, naively believing we are justified in doing so.

[skyrover]

Zeeky said:

I think you are asking the wrong question. It should be, why do we think we can 'give' anyone any land that doesn't belong to us in the first place?

Well technically it was endorsed by the UN, ergo the global community.

It's the details (borders etc) which everyone has gotten hung up over.

[JuniorD]

Hats off to Gerald Kaufman on his comments on the conditions crated in Gaza by Israel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_8cWD-XHlY.

[Mrr T]

Zeeky said:

Mrr T said:

Zeeky said:

Most States disagree with that assertion. Assuming the Convention doesn't apply because Palestine isn't a State signatory, how does Israel avoid being bound by the same provisions in Customary Law.

You clearly no nothing about the Geneva convention.

I know sufficient International Law to know that Israel is bound by most of the Customary International Humanitarian Law. I also know that Israel's claim that the Palestinian people are not protected by the Convention is based on the fact Palestine is not a State signatory to the Convention. I also know that most States disagree with this claim.

How does Israel avoid its obligations under Customary Law?

I am surprised if an Israeli government spokesman said that since government spokesmen are normally quite precise on legal issues.
If it was said about Hamas combatants, as you know about the Geneva Convention, I am sure you will understand it would be correct.
I have made my views on the Geneva Convention clear.
To what other Customary law are you referring?

[franki68]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

You were with Jenin remember?

I'm not suggesting it is that now,but you the bbc ,all the papers ,the in they were duped weren't they? Everyone forgets .

'massacre in jenin','500'dead etc etc.




So it has happened before.