Israeli

[Jimbeaux]

crosseyedlion said:

Jimbeaux said:

You may be surprised that that may hurt the UK. There are certain software programs that are proprietary to Israel and used by the West.

Any examples?

Yes.

There are a number of security-related collaborations that are unmentionables; however, here is a good view of things.

http://www.israeltradeca.org/content/telecommunica...

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 2nd August 19:55

[Scuffers]

If we are going to get into who provides the most value to the world, it really is no contest.

Without Israel, we would not nave mobile phones like we do, or UAV's, or fire optic coding systems, etc etc etc..

What exactly have we got from the Arab world? (Apart from what's in the ground).

[JuniorD]

Jimbeaux said:

crosseyedlion said:

Jimbeaux said:

You may be surprised that that may hurt the UK. There are certain software programs that are proprietary to Israel and used by the West.

Any examples?

Yes.

There are a number of security-related collaborations that are unmentionables; however, here is a good view of things.

http://www.israeltradeca.org/content/telecommunica...

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 2nd August 19:55

If only they spent as much time developing surveillance as they do on internet security and telecoms.

Quite incredible that they are so apparently advanced yet thanks to them, their crudely beseiged neighbours live in UN schools and use donkeys and carts for transport.

Edited by JuniorD on Saturday 2nd August 20:41

[otolith]

JuniorD said:

If only they spent as much time developing surveillance as they do on internet security and telecoms.

Quite incredible that they are so apparently advanced yet their crudely beseiged neighbours live in UN schools and use donkeys and carts for transport.

True of much of the Middle East, oil money apart. Damn those Western values!

[Scuffers]

JuniorD said:

If only they spent as much time developing surveillance as they do on internet security and telecoms.

Quite incredible that they are so apparently advanced yet their crudely beseiged neighbours live in UN schools and use donkeys and carts for transport.

Oh do give it a rest, you have no idea do you?

Its a fking war zone, and with the best will and technology available, st happens.

Artillery shells are not accurate to the mm, combined with targeting stuff that's on the fly.

Yes, its unfortunate that the UN school got hit, but in the bigger picture, is it really surprising or that big a deal?

The UN local staff have not e factly helped themselves, they seem to have a huge arrogance that just because they're the UN, they're above reproach and fking up.

If the nutters start to store rockets in your schools etc, what do you think you should do about it?
If they then start to fire rockets next to your compounds, its pretty fking obvious what's coming next..

They could have done a lot more to mitigate this by talking to the idf real time.

[maffski]

Scuffers said:

If we are going to get into who provides the most value to the world, it really is no contest.

Without Israel, we would not nave mobile phones like we do, or UAV's, or fire optic coding systems, etc etc etc..

What exactly have we got from the Arab world? (Apart from what's in the ground).

Algebra - without which we would not have mobile phones like we do, or UAV's, or fibre optic coding systems, etc etc etc..

Coffee

[anonymous-user]

Scuffers said:

If we are going to get into who provides the most value to the world, it really is no contest.

Without Israel, we would not nave mobile phones like we do, or UAV's, or fire optic coding systems, etc etc etc..

What exactly have we got from the Arab world? (Apart from what's in the ground).

So are you placing value on human life now?

[JuniorD]

Well I should think with decades of US subsidies to the tune of 100s of billions in total, we would expect nothing less than a high tech society in Israel.

[Jimbeaux]

JuniorD said:

Well I should think with decades of US subsidies to the tune of 100s of billions in total, we would expect nothing less than a high tech society in Israel.

Consider the billions given to other countries in the region; what have they done similarly with the funding? What about the nations in the region who are among the richest in the world, what have they done to reach similar heights of development? What is the explaination for this?

[anonymous-user]

How is any of this relevant?

[Scuffers]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

No, more on their relative societies...


But as you bring it up, consider the way they each value human life...

[Mermaid]

Transmitter Man said:

If 'all' tunnels are 'completely' destroyed and cement deliveries are stopped then I think Israel will feel more secure.

I'm sure Sissi will do all he can to hinder arms deliveries across the Sinai.

More secure for a short time. People innovate ways of hurting.

Closing tunnels is necessary , as is opening the mind

[Countdown]

Scuffers said:

No, more on their relative societies...


But as you bring it up, consider the way they each value human life...

It appears to me that the Israelis value land in the WB far more than they value peace or the lives of children in Gaza.

[Qwert1e]

Scuffers said:

What exactly have we got from the Arab world?

A post like that could only be made by a complete ignoramus. I suggest you take a look at Monty Python's Life of Brian to get a feel for the subject and then check out the list below,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE

•Muslims translated most of the scientific works of antiquity into Arabic.
•Muslim mathematicians devised and developed Algebra.
•Al-Khwarazmi used Arabic numerals which came to the West through his work in the 9th century.
•Al-Razi described and treated smallpox in the 10th century.
•Al-Razi also used alcohol as an antiseptic.
•Ibn Sina diagnosed and treated meningitis in the 11th century.
•Ibn al-Haytham discovered the Camera Obscura in the 11th century.
•Al-Biruni described the Ganges valley as a sedimentary basin in the 11th century.
•Muslims built the first observatory as a scientific institution in the 13th century.
•Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi explained the cause of the rainbow in the 13th century.
•Ibn al-Nafis described the minor circulation of the blood in the 14th century.
•Al-Kashani invented a computing machine in the 15th century.

[TwigtheWonderkid]

Qwert1e said:

Scuffers said:

What exactly have we got from the Arab world?

A post like that could only be made by a complete ignoramus. I suggest you take a look at Monty Python's Life of Brian to get a feel for the subject and then check out the list below,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE

•Muslims translated most of the scientific works of antiquity into Arabic.
•Muslim mathematicians devised and developed Algebra.
•Al-Khwarazmi used Arabic numerals which came to the West through his work in the 9th century.
•Al-Razi described and treated smallpox in the 10th century.
•Al-Razi also used alcohol as an antiseptic.
•Ibn Sina diagnosed and treated meningitis in the 11th century.
•Ibn al-Haytham discovered the Camera Obscura in the 11th century.
•Al-Biruni described the Ganges valley as a sedimentary basin in the 11th century.
•Muslims built the first observatory as a scientific institution in the 13th century.
•Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi explained the cause of the rainbow in the 13th century.
•Ibn al-Nafis described the minor circulation of the blood in the 14th century.
•Al-Kashani invented a computing machine in the 15th century.

We had this debate within this thread about a month ago. What have we got from the Arab word recently, apart from oil which is either an accident of geography or a gift from Allah depending on your viewpoint.

What can you point to that has "Made in Saudi Arabia" stamped on it. What does the Arab world produce, what does it export. Some fruit, like dates from Syria, and some beans from Egypt. Cedar wood from the Lebanon, stuff that grows, not stuff they make.

Oil has been like a 16 year old winning the lotto. The Arab world has retired early, and now import everything, from head scarves to Qu'rans and all their labour. And they had oil for ever and a day and never even knew about it. Until the west invented machines that needed it and the technology to extract it, it was worthless to them.

That, combined with backward looking wahhabi-ism. The great Islamic scholars from 1000 yrs ago must be spinning in their graves at the hopeless decline of a once great society.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdLpxmN9SRo

[audidoody]

[quote=league67]So when Bibi says hitting arabs hard, he means hitting Hamas fighters hard. Does that mean when Hamas calls for killing of Israelis, they actually mean killing only IDF soldiers?

One terrorist organization killed over 1600 people in a few weeks, the other killed less than 100. One killed mostly civilians, the other killed less than two percent civilians.

Ah but what about Jenin!?! Yes, what about Jenin.

Ah, of course, I forgot, Palestinians actually 'love death' so IDF is just fulfilling their wishes, kind of like Santa and it's not even Christmas. [/quote


Santa? Christmas? In a thread about Jews and Muslims?

You really are a stranger to coherent thought aren't you?

[anonymous-user]

Aaaah, so it's knock a Muslim/Arab hour!

Talking about the problems between Israel and Palestine and we can't just miss a chance to slight the general Islamic world and the Arabs.
I thought we were trying to keep racism and prejudice out of this, what with all those cries of anti-Semitism?
Hypocritical, racist, prejudiced bds. You have well and truly exposed yourselves.

[Stelvio1]

Do you all know? that we are ALL children of the Universe - love how some try to differentiate.....

[Scuffers]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

Not really, no...

I would also point out that not all Muslims are Arabs.

[allnighter]

It feels like ground-hog day on here sometimes.Are we on a loop? Did someone forget to change the tape?