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allnighter said:
es you are right, and seeing I have personally followed this thread from the start, and I doubt you did the same, I have not seen a single intervention nor a single comment by a pro-Hamas person on here. I've yet to meet a pro-Hamas PHer on here!
This is the problem Allnighter; these IDF lovers seem to think we are all Pro Hamas supporters yet totally blind to the debate going on.Ignorance I say.
Grumfutock said:
OK maybe you didn't read it so let's try again.
"And yet again the troll reappears with the usual insults and provocation but nothing constructive."
I read it alright. If you read back many pages, I am telling you what I think of you (I'm not the only one) just as others have done so. "And yet again the troll reappears with the usual insults and provocation but nothing constructive."
So, why don't we try again (for the 100th time) - can you avoid dodging/spinning questions and start answering questions full on?
It really isn't too much to ask . . . . . honestly!
Grumfutock said:
I would also suggest that is EXACTLY why they started the war. Not settlements, not freedom, not any other reason.
They had also lost a lot of support in Gaza, how better to regain that than to provoke a war.
So they had to sacrifice 2,000 of their own innocent people? So what, small beer to terrorists!
What utter rubbish and nonsense! They had also lost a lot of support in Gaza, how better to regain that than to provoke a war.
So they had to sacrifice 2,000 of their own innocent people? So what, small beer to terrorists!
Speak the truth and you are branded a criminal!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/15/israe...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/15/israe...
zuby84 said:
I think the main issue here is that Grumfutock doesn't really know how to draw logical conclusions from parallels that he seems to be using which can get quite irritating as arguments which aren't based on sound logic can start to unravel and hence desperation kicks in. This leads to people comparing apples to oranges when it suits their argument and discounting the comparison of apples to apples when it doesn't suit them.
No, I am one of the only people on this thread pointing out that Hamas are not the font of all evil in the area. That maybe, JUST maybe, if Israel stop blowing up Palestinians, stop dropping bombs on them and stop stealing yet more Palestinian land then perhaps Hamas will respond. Continue the terrorism then why oh why would you be surprised if the evil Hamas terrorists fight back and build tunnels to try and fight back.
You see, Grumfutock's argument is really no more well thought out than "do X and Y may happen." I'm just surprised at how he's kept it up for so long. What I think will happen if Grumfutock's wishes came true:
^^ Great post Zuby! Grumfutock said:
No, I am one of the only people on this thread pointing out that Israel are not the font of all evil in the area. That maybe, JUST maybe, if terrorists stop blowing up Israeli's, stop firing rockets at them and stop tunnelling then perhaps Israel will respond. Continue the terrorism then why oh why would you be surprised if the evil Zionist bullies drop a bomb on your house.
Here's a mind exercise for Grumfutock:No, I am one of the only people on this thread pointing out that Hamas are not the font of all evil in the area. That maybe, JUST maybe, if Israel stop blowing up Palestinians, stop dropping bombs on them and stop stealing yet more Palestinian land then perhaps Hamas will respond. Continue the terrorism then why oh why would you be surprised if the evil Hamas terrorists fight back and build tunnels to try and fight back.
You see, Grumfutock's argument is really no more well thought out than "do X and Y may happen." I'm just surprised at how he's kept it up for so long. What I think will happen if Grumfutock's wishes came true:
Grumfutock said:
No, I am one of the only people on this thread pointing out that Israel are not the font of all evil in the area. That maybe, JUST maybe, if terrorists stop blowing up Israeli's, stop firing rockets at them and stop tunnelling then perhaps Israel will respond will continue to easily steal more land and further victimise the Palestinians without the eyes of the International community on them. Continue the terrorism then why oh why would you be surprised if the evil Zionist bullies drop a bomb on your house.
Grumfutock said:
I actually have a lot more respect for Mr Finger, at least he has stayed the course, argued his case and been honest to his beliefs.
LOL That is funny!Only because he counters your arguments with facts and makes you look like a idiot (not the first time though and yes you can call me troll for saying that)
Grumfutock said:
hey aren't terrorists are they! Of course they want peace!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-299117...
Israel doesn't target civilians, do they?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-299117...
http://news.sky.com/story/1366857/israel-flouted-t...
Grumfutock said:
You really are a funny little man aren't you, sad and pathetic, but fairly funny.
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I love the fact that you have accused others of being a troll by naming calling and being abusive..
What a hypocrite!
As many have pointed out, several times, you don't react well when your questioned on your blinded side love for Israel. That is actually sad and pathetic.
One of the reasons why I stopped posting on this topic is because of clowns like you; how can anyone have a reasonable debate with you when you just to piss everyone off. That really says something about you.
Are you Jewish? If so, are you a Zionist?
Why do I ask this, because I SENSE that you think most who have contributed to this thread and criticised Israel/IDF all have common hated for Israel; and you are defending the indefensible!
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
No, there is never any accountability is there!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-301789...
Sometimes there is, of sorts. But let's see what the court comes up with, eh? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-301789...
Here is the actual footage of the killings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaibEqx2m_k
Grumfutock said:
SR7492 said:
Deliberate murder but only charged with manslaughter; great accountability (though I'm not surprised)
Here is the actual footage of the killings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaibEqx2m_k
Why on earth would you post footage of a killing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You sick fHere is the actual footage of the killings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaibEqx2m_k
k.head - I didn't ask you to click the link.I posted it so that everyone who is reading this thread can judge the for themselves the random killings of innocent Palestinians civilians by the Israelis. But I'm sure, somehow, you are going to say the kids who were killed had a RPG in their back pocket and were a immediate threat.
Grumfutock said:
I have ceased to care about you, your opinions and your hate and propaganda fueled lies. You preach and spread untruths, you try to rewrite history and when the facts don't suit you just ignore them.
You are not who you claim so I see no point in continuing any further discourse with you.
LOL talk about pot . . kettle . . . black!You are not who you claim so I see no point in continuing any further discourse with you.
What a retard!
Countdown said:
Anti Israel possibly but perhaps more accurate to say anti Zionist.Can't say I've seen any anti Jewish comments tbh. As you know three things are different.
Just goes to show Count; they don't have a clue what is being said on the topic!Goodbye Grum . . . . f**king idiot!
anonymous said:
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This is the crux of it - settlements are illegal under international law yet Israel is continuing to push through planning applications at a vast rate (even more so now that the Palestinians are asking for world recognition)How is a 2 state possible with the above? It isn't; which means Israel only wants a single state for itself and the Zionists are pushing at all angles for this.
As someone said earlier; Israel is doing this now and ignoring any world condemnation only to say its too late to move the settlers (pretty much the same argument for the refugees, in that they have lost their land and have no right of return) - take about having your own cake and eating it!
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