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Slyjoe said:
Is anyone else concerned that the Islamic state if they can consolidate what they are doing in the middle east will then take a dig at Israel?
Sureley the sh#t will hit the fan then?
It's interesting, but, on reflection, unlikely. Israel is the regional super power and ISIS would have a way to go before it had anything like the weaponry to attack. Sureley the sh#t will hit the fan then?
Jordan looks vulnerable.
I'd not completely rule out an alliance between Israel, the Lebanese and the Kurds, but I'd think that some kind of Palestinian accord would have to come first.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Slyjoe said:
Is anyone else concerned that the Islamic state if they can consolidate what they are doing in the middle east will then take a dig at Israel?
Sureley the sh#t will hit the fan then?
Jordan looks vulnerable. Sureley the sh#t will hit the fan then?
I'd not completely rule out an alliance between Israel, the Lebanese and the Kurds, but I'd think that some kind of Palestinian accord would have to come first.
Jimbeaux said:
No need to associate the two?? So, you want to highlight just one part of people dying but supress or ignore the other? As to why they are there in the first place, it is for their own agenda that has nothing to do with "Palestine". Furthermore, the Hamas rockets came before the blockade.
You associated the two and tried to make a qualitative distinction between how many children have been killed by each side. That does not excuse the IDF or make their killing of children any better. Alpinestars said:
Jimbeaux said:
No need to associate the two?? So, you want to highlight just one part of people dying but supress or ignore the other? As to why they are there in the first place, it is for their own agenda that has nothing to do with "Palestine". Furthermore, the Hamas rockets came before the blockade.
You associated the two and tried to make a qualitative distinction between how many children have been killed by each side. That does not excuse the IDF or make their killing of children any better. Scuffers said:
another problem is we are currently arming the Kurds, which is great, just ask Turkey what they think of that....
Well, I'm sure that the bigger powers have more or less acknowledged that part of the quid pro quo will be an independent Kurdistan. The PKK is already fighting alongside the Peshmerga.
In the meantime, the PKK has already suspended operations in Turkey for quite a time and there are peace talks ongoing.
There was at least one Kurdish candidate in the Turkish presidential elections and the West probably has more in common with the Kurds than the Islamist current Turkish president.
I don't see this as a huge deal -- the map will be redrawn, but it was a flawed map anyway.
Jimbeaux said:
Alpinestars said:
Jimbeaux said:
No need to associate the two?? So, you want to highlight just one part of people dying but supress or ignore the other? As to why they are there in the first place, it is for their own agenda that has nothing to do with "Palestine". Furthermore, the Hamas rockets came before the blockade.
You associated the two and tried to make a qualitative distinction between how many children have been killed by each side. That does not excuse the IDF or make their killing of children any better. Alpinestars said:
Jimbeaux said:
Alpinestars said:
Jimbeaux said:
No need to associate the two?? So, you want to highlight just one part of people dying but supress or ignore the other? As to why they are there in the first place, it is for their own agenda that has nothing to do with "Palestine". Furthermore, the Hamas rockets came before the blockade.
You associated the two and tried to make a qualitative distinction between how many children have been killed by each side. That does not excuse the IDF or make their killing of children any better. 
and stop at this point; otherwise we may fight and spill our drinks, constituting alcohol abuse. 
Lost soul said:
I doubt that , if IS are taking territory from Leb or Jordan they would welcome the IDF with open arms
The IS were taking territory from Lebanon. The IDF made no offer. Saudis, Brits and US offered grants for arms, "ballistic protection" and so on. The Lebanese repulsed ISIS. Can you really see Hezbollah welcoming Israel in? It's not been 10 years since they kicked them out!
It would be a multi way war.
ISIS would need to fight and conquer Jordan, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Cyprus and parts of Turkey.
Israel wont help Hamas or Lebanon or Jordan. Cyprus will bring in Greece and neither will help Turkey. Jordan will suck in other Arab countries particularly Iran. Iran and Israel wont work. Turkey will just do it's own thing andd hates the Kurds. Then there's the west.
By my reckoning at least a 5 way war. I beleive the gentleman in the suburbs of America have a phrase for it, "we be f
ked"
ISIS would need to fight and conquer Jordan, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Cyprus and parts of Turkey.
Israel wont help Hamas or Lebanon or Jordan. Cyprus will bring in Greece and neither will help Turkey. Jordan will suck in other Arab countries particularly Iran. Iran and Israel wont work. Turkey will just do it's own thing andd hates the Kurds. Then there's the west.
By my reckoning at least a 5 way war. I beleive the gentleman in the suburbs of America have a phrase for it, "we be f
ked" TheRealFingers99 said:
The IS were taking territory from Lebanon. The IDF made no offer. Saudis, Brits and US offered grants for arms, "ballistic protection" and so on. The Lebanese repulsed ISIS.
Can you really see Hezbollah welcoming Israel in? It's not been 10 years since they kicked them out!
Why should the IDF make an offer , as I see it Hezbollah are only slightly different to IS Can you really see Hezbollah welcoming Israel in? It's not been 10 years since they kicked them out!
Grumfutock said:
It would be a multi way war.
By my reckoning at least a 5 way war. I beleive the gentleman in the suburbs of America have a phrase for it, "we be fked"
That would be the gentlmen in the urban areas. Those in the suburbs would phrase it as "We find ourselves in an unenvious situation, a challenge if you will". By my reckoning at least a 5 way war. I beleive the gentleman in the suburbs of America have a phrase for it, "we be f
ked" 
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Yep a link to an Iranian website. Not surprised.TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Yep a link to an Iranian website. Not surprised.Lost soul said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
The IS were taking territory from Lebanon. The IDF made no offer. Saudis, Brits and US offered grants for arms, "ballistic protection" and so on. The Lebanese repulsed ISIS.
Can you really see Hezbollah welcoming Israel in? It's not been 10 years since they kicked them out!
Why should the IDF make an offer , as I see it Hezbollah are only slightly different to IS Can you really see Hezbollah welcoming Israel in? It's not been 10 years since they kicked them out!
I've pointed out that the Lebanese, at least, would not.
From an Israeli perspective, they're both enemies. Hezbollah have put Israel on the back burner, seeing ISIS as the bigger enemy (and have taken some criticism for that).
Objectively, they're very different.
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 19th August 16:36
TheRealFingers99 said:
Lost soul said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
The IS were taking territory from Lebanon. The IDF made no offer. Saudis, Brits and US offered grants for arms, "ballistic protection" and so on. The Lebanese repulsed ISIS.
Can you really see Hezbollah welcoming Israel in? It's not been 10 years since they kicked them out!
Why should the IDF make an offer , as I see it Hezbollah are only slightly different to IS Can you really see Hezbollah welcoming Israel in? It's not been 10 years since they kicked them out!
they would not really care who saved their bacon
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Yep a link to an Iranian website. Not surprised.Lost soul said:
Are you saying if they were losing ground and the IDF stepped in they would not like it
they would not really care who saved their bacon
The Lebanese were loosing ground. The IDF did diddly squat (which, to be fair, was to be expected). they would not really care who saved their bacon
It'd be a case of inviting your next worst enemy in to fight your worst. Not a realistic choice.
Given the history between Lebanon and Israel, you'd care, you'd care a lot.
But given that one state is largely Muslim and the other largely Jewish, all talk of bacon is pretty much irrelevant (and, arguably, irreverent).
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 19th August 17:37
Islamic State Fighter: Hezbollah and the Jews Are Next -- seems to be a re-hash of an article originally in Globes.
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