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TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
After further research it would appear to have been filmed in Egypt and, once I realised this, I removed it. I wouldn't want to be accused of posting lies or not doing my homework. 
Good stuff. Still not sure of the footwear question though. Any idea? league67 said:
Funkycoldribena said:
league67 said:
Same illiterati who can't spell simplest of words.
Do you want me to post some more of your illiterate sentences? Ma'a Salama
TheRealFingers99 said:
As I've said to before, the state of Israel, the myth, if you like, of Israel, is founded on a 2000 year old history (or interpretation of history). Israel is there because God promised that bit of real estate to the Israelis,
Nice fairy story. But it is a bit flawed. Israel exists because it was guaranteed by the British (Google 'Balfour Declaration" ) who ran Palestine after the Turks were chucked out and because the United Nations voted it into existenceGod has his uses. But he didn't have much to do with the creation of the modern political entity that is Israel.
I really wonder if most of the participants of this thread had the faintest clue about the history of the Middle East conflict six weeks ago.
Edited by audidoody on Wednesday 20th August 20:19
league67 said:
On the other hand you might be right, and those 7 people got together, sat down, ordered kahva just and agreed on the story in order to fool gullible.
I'd feel rather stupid attacking certain people for spelling when posting this sort of sentence.Plenty more if required.
avinalarf said:
You guys still arguing,try these selected posts,many of you like taking selected posts that you appear to think proves your case..........
You'd have to be pretty nuts to believe that one post (I think you mean "one quote") proved anything! It's all about context and history.avinalarf said:
There were many wealthy Arabs who traveled to Germany in the 1930s and brought back fascist ideals and incorporated them into Arab Nationalism.[23] One of the principal founders of Ba'athist thought and the Ba'ath Party, Zaki al-Arsuzi, stated that Fascism and Nazism had greatly influenced Ba'athist ideology. An associate of al-Arsuzi, Sami al-Jundi, wrote:
"We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books that were the source of the Nazi spirit. We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism. Michel Aflaq a founder of the Ba'athist philosophy admired Hitler and the Nazis for standing up to Britain and America. This admiration would combine aspects of Nazism into Ba'athism."[24][25]
Or this........
In 1932, Hitler was given the name Abu Ali in Syria, and he was named Muhammad Haidar in Egypt.[20] Adolf Hitler was celebrated in large parts of the Arab world, and some newspapers even likened him to the Prophet. Erwin Rommel was almost as popular as Hitler. Arabs Shouted "Heil Rommel" as a common greeting in Arab countries. Many Arabs thought the Germans would free them from the rule of the old colonial powers France and Britain. After France's defeat by Nazi Germany in 1940, some Arabs were chanting against the French and British around the streets of Damascus: "No more Monsieur, no more Mister, Allah's in Heaven and Hitler's on earth."[21] Posters with Arabic sayings: "In heaven God is your ruler, on earth Hitler" were frequently displayed in shops in the towns of Syria.[22]
And the relevance to Israel/Palestine is? "We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books that were the source of the Nazi spirit. We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism. Michel Aflaq a founder of the Ba'athist philosophy admired Hitler and the Nazis for standing up to Britain and America. This admiration would combine aspects of Nazism into Ba'athism."[24][25]
Or this........
In 1932, Hitler was given the name Abu Ali in Syria, and he was named Muhammad Haidar in Egypt.[20] Adolf Hitler was celebrated in large parts of the Arab world, and some newspapers even likened him to the Prophet. Erwin Rommel was almost as popular as Hitler. Arabs Shouted "Heil Rommel" as a common greeting in Arab countries. Many Arabs thought the Germans would free them from the rule of the old colonial powers France and Britain. After France's defeat by Nazi Germany in 1940, some Arabs were chanting against the French and British around the streets of Damascus: "No more Monsieur, no more Mister, Allah's in Heaven and Hitler's on earth."[21] Posters with Arabic sayings: "In heaven God is your ruler, on earth Hitler" were frequently displayed in shops in the towns of Syria.[22]
TheRealFingers99 said:
And the relevance to Israel/Palestine is?
What you guys do not get is that today we are facing a clash of civilisations.Europe HAS BEEN predominately Christian ,now the Christian bible ,did away with a lot of the rubbish that was included in the Old Testament and the Qur'an, all the stoning and taking off limbs crap etc.
Israel is the first line of defence against the more radical forms of Islam.
Now not saying the present Israeli government is doing everything right or that the Jews are all good etc, but believe me if radical Islam were to get a hold ,God help us.
Islam is going through the same passage that Christianity went through 500 years ago.
Not saying that the Palestinians should not have a viable homeland.
Not saying there are not many fine Muslims in the World ,but this radical Islam is evil takes no hostages and must be eliminated.
The fact that many Muslims are being killed by fellow Muslims surely must ring some bells in your brains.
Muslims themselves should be concerned about this vicious radicalism that many of them say is a corruption of the prophet's intent.
Funkycoldribena said:
league67 said:
On the other hand you might be right, and those 7 people got together, sat down, ordered kahva just and agreed on the story in order to fool gullible.
I'd feel rather stupid attacking certain people for spelling when posting this sort of sentence.Plenty more if required.
Difference between 'your' and 'you are' is not spelling. If you weren't stupid, you'd know that. Yes?
So, once again, what is the excuse for your abject stupidity?
ks, insults and sneering, it would appear.audidoody said:
Nice fairy story. But it is a bit flawed. Israel exists because it was guaranteed by the British (Google 'Balfour Declaration" ) who ran Palestine after the Turks were chucked out and because the United Nations voted it into existence
]
And therein lies the problem. Imagine me "guaranteeing" your house to somebody who lives in another country, on the premise that they lived there 2000 years ago. Would you be happy about that? Britain had as much right to give Palestine to the Jews as it would have giving India or Australia to them.]
audidoody said:
Nice fairy story. But it is a bit flawed. Israel exists because it was guaranteed by the British (Google 'Balfour Declaration" ) who ran Palestine after the Turks were chucked out and because the United Nations voted it into existence
God has his uses. But he didn't have much to do with the creation of the modern political entity that is Israel.
I really wonder if most of the participants of this thread had the faintest clue about the history of the Middle East conflict six weeks ago.
Small point. Would the idea of a Jewish homeland located in the Middle East in (more or less) the same location as the historical Israel exist without the bible, without Zionism? God has his uses. But he didn't have much to do with the creation of the modern political entity that is Israel.
I really wonder if most of the participants of this thread had the faintest clue about the history of the Middle East conflict six weeks ago.
Edited by audidoody on Wednesday 20th August 20:19
I mean, it's not a particularly hospitable part of the world. Why not the Isle of Man, Sardinia or Majorca?
The application of some logic necessary, methinks.
avinalarf said:
Israel is the first line of defence against the more radical forms of Islam.
What is the first line of defence against segregated buses and stoning women for being 'immodestly' dressed?avinalarf said:
Now not saying the present Israeli government is doing everything right or that the Jews are all good etc, but believe me if radical Islam were to get a hold ,God help us.
Islam is going through the same passage that Christianity went through 500 years ago.
Not saying that the Palestinians should not have a viable homeland.
Not saying there are not many fine Muslims in the World ,but this radical Islam is evil takes no hostages and must be eliminated.
Why single out Islam? Why not say 'any radical religion should be eliminated'. It's bad enough that people believe in <insert-random-sky-pixie-here>. Islam is going through the same passage that Christianity went through 500 years ago.
Not saying that the Palestinians should not have a viable homeland.
Not saying there are not many fine Muslims in the World ,but this radical Islam is evil takes no hostages and must be eliminated.
avinalarf said:
The fact that many Muslims are being killed by fellow Muslims surely must ring some bells in your brains.
The fact that many people are being killed by terrorists of any persuasion (Hamas, IDF, Boko Haram .. ) should ring bells. Scuffers said:
so there you have it!
Once again, you make a statement that's clearly bull, get caught out, then try and change the subject.
can you get your blinkered head out of the anti-zionist bucket and actually try and understand what's actually going on?
This, coming from the most blinkered person in this discussion. Oh the irony.....Once again, you make a statement that's clearly bull, get caught out, then try and change the subject.
can you get your blinkered head out of the anti-zionist bucket and actually try and understand what's actually going on?
A documentary on the Deir Yassin massacre. The birth of the IDF and the birth Hamas, they are born from the same maelstrom, just years apart.
This is an Israeli documentary, just to preempt any claims of bias.
Deir Yassin Remembered
This is an Israeli documentary, just to preempt any claims of bias.
Deir Yassin Remembered
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 20th August 21:35
avinalarf said:
What you guys do not get is that today we are facing a clash of civilisations.
Europe HAS BEEN predominately Christian ,now the Christian bible ,did away with a lot of the rubbish that was included in the Old Testament and the Qur'an, all the stoning and taking off limbs crap etc.
Now, come on, the New Testament didn't take the Old Testament away. It's still there. For brutality committed under the New Testament, you've only got to look at the crusades. And nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. As a footnote, the Old Testament is also an important Jewish religious document.Europe HAS BEEN predominately Christian ,now the Christian bible ,did away with a lot of the rubbish that was included in the Old Testament and the Qur'an, all the stoning and taking off limbs crap etc.
avinalarf said:
Israel is the first line of defence against the more radical forms of Islam.
Nice theory. At the moment the first line of defence are the Peshmerga (Muslim), PKK (Muslim with Socialist leanings) and the Lebanese (Muslim, with Druze and Christian elements). Although ISIS see Israel and Hezbollah as its main enemies (in the reverse order) it has yet to take a poke at Israel. And Israel has yet to take a poke at it. avinalarf said:
Now not saying the present Israeli government is doing everything right or that the Jews are all good etc, but believe me if radical Islam were to get a hold ,God help us.
What's wrong with Jews? And I don't believe in the Sky Fairy, so she's no use to me.avinalarf said:
Islam is going through the same passage that Christianity went through 500 years ago.
I can see similarities, but suspect they're illusions. Still, let's hope they can only inflict the damage of WW1 or WW2 in 500 years time, eh?avinalarf said:
about this vicious radicalism that many of them say is a corruption of the prophet's intent.
Just who do you think is fighting ISIS and taking casualties right now?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 20th August 21:37
league67 said:
avinalarf said:
Israel is the first line of defence against the more radical forms of Islam.
What is the first line of defence against segregated buses and stoning women for being 'immodestly' dressed?avinalarf said:
Now not saying the present Israeli government is doing everything right or that the Jews are all good etc, but believe me if radical Islam were to get a hold ,God help us.
Islam is going through the same passage that Christianity went through 500 years ago.
Not saying that the Palestinians should not have a viable homeland.
Not saying there are not many fine Muslims in the World ,but this radical Islam is evil takes no hostages and must be eliminated.
Why single out Islam? Why not say 'any radical religion should be eliminated'. It's bad enough that people believe in <insert-random-sky-pixie-here>. Islam is going through the same passage that Christianity went through 500 years ago.
Not saying that the Palestinians should not have a viable homeland.
Not saying there are not many fine Muslims in the World ,but this radical Islam is evil takes no hostages and must be eliminated.
avinalarf said:
The fact that many Muslims are being killed by fellow Muslims surely must ring some bells in your brains.
The fact that many people are being killed by terrorists of any persuasion (Hamas, IDF, Boko Haram .. ) should ring bells. You are totally misguided if you put the IDF in the same league as Boko Haram or IS .
You really make a fool of yourself making such a statement and destroy your credibility.
avinalarf said:
Why so coy about your first language ?
You are totally misguided if you put the IDF in the same league as Boko Haram or IS .
You really make a fool of yourself making such a statement and destroy your credibility.
The IDF was created out of terrorist groups. Irgun, Stern gang, Haganah all merged into the IDF, in fact terrorists from those groups became Prime Ministers in Israel, several Israeli prime ministers.You are totally misguided if you put the IDF in the same league as Boko Haram or IS .
You really make a fool of yourself making such a statement and destroy your credibility.
Educate yourself below about the birth of the IDF.
A documentary on the Deir Yassin massacre. The birth of the IDF and the birth Hamas, they are born from the same maelstrom, just years apart.
This is an Israeli documentary, just to preempt any claims of bias.
Deir Yassin Remembered
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Wednesday 20th August 21:52
avinalarf said:
league67 said:
avinalarf said:
Israel is the first line of defence against the more radical forms of Islam.
What is the first line of defence against segregated buses and stoning women for being 'immodestly' dressed?avinalarf said:
Now not saying the present Israeli government is doing everything right or that the Jews are all good etc, but believe me if radical Islam were to get a hold ,God help us.
Islam is going through the same passage that Christianity went through 500 years ago.
Not saying that the Palestinians should not have a viable homeland.
Not saying there are not many fine Muslims in the World ,but this radical Islam is evil takes no hostages and must be eliminated.
Why single out Islam? Why not say 'any radical religion should be eliminated'. It's bad enough that people believe in <insert-random-sky-pixie-here>. Islam is going through the same passage that Christianity went through 500 years ago.
Not saying that the Palestinians should not have a viable homeland.
Not saying there are not many fine Muslims in the World ,but this radical Islam is evil takes no hostages and must be eliminated.
avinalarf said:
The fact that many Muslims are being killed by fellow Muslims surely must ring some bells in your brains.
The fact that many people are being killed by terrorists of any persuasion (Hamas, IDF, Boko Haram .. ) should ring bells. You are totally misguided if you put the IDF in the same league as Boko Haram or IS .
You really make a fool of yourself making such a statement and destroy your credibility.
Are you supporting stoning 'immodestly' dressed women? Or segregated buses?
You think that I'm misguided. IDF is terrorizing civilians of Gaza. I'm not even going to go into 'organizations' that preceded it.
Please, if I sing the praise to brave IDF and accept the truth based on your opinion I'll regain my credibility? LOL.
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