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allnighter

6,663 posts

221 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Transmitter Man said:
allnighter said:
xactly, and add to that the bull$hit that's being taught in Israeli primary schools about the UN creating Israel which is repeated on here by many ignoramus contributors either out of pure revisionism or wilful ignorance.
To make things clear once and for all: The U.N. General Assembly endorsed UNSCOP’s in its Resolution 181. It is often claimed that this resolution “partitioned” Palestine, or that it provided Zionist leaders with a legal mandate for their subsequent declaration of the existence of the state of Israel, or some other similar variation on the theme. All such claims are absolutely FALSE.
Resolution 181 merely endorsed the U.N special commission on Palestine as a recommendation i.e nothing was set on stone till the Arab agreed, and seeing the Arabs did NOT agree to their land being given away to some foreign settlers and immigrants, and therefore did not sign on the dotted lines so to speak, it renders the recommendation and resolution 181 null and void anyway because just like a contract needs both parties' agreements and approval, the U.N had no authority to take land from one people and give it to another without their explicit consent.
The subsequent unilateral declaration of the state of Israel remains just that: Unilateral, illegal, unjust vis-a-vis the indigenous Arabs and has its roots and foundation in terror, intimidation, expulsion, and destruction as set out by the Dalet Plan.
Re your foreign settlers & immigrants you're forgetting that there were Israelites living in the Southern Levant since beyond the year dot.
You can refer to my previous posts and check whether I forgot them or not!The point you missed conveniently and by a mile is that Jews constituted a minority in a majority Arab Palestine.
What existed in the so-called Jewish state in 1948 were illegal immigrants from Europe and Russia, three Zionist terrorist organisations: the Irgun, the Hagana and the Stern gangs and undefined illegal borders. The so-called State embarked on a massive military project to ensure the expulsion of the Palestinians from their homeland to make room for foreign settlers. More than 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 Palestinian Arabs expelled.
Some indigenous Jews witnessed their Arabs neighbours forced out and kicked out and their homes occupied by newly arrived foreigners with whom they never identify even though they were Jews. Read a book called The General's Son for confirmation by Jewish witnesses' statements at the time.


Edited by allnighter on Thursday 21st August 15:31

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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audidoody said:
Funnily enough I have missed your wisdom and insight on the ISIS Air Strikes thread where you do not appear to be expressing your normal hysteria about the deaths of hundreds of Muslim women and children. Or is it only when Jews inadvertently kill Muslim people who are located next to people who are dropping rockets on their heads that you blood pressure rises?

Insha'Allah
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.

Allāhu Akbar

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Transmitter Man said:
zuby84 said:
Your premise is what exactly? Killing innocents via a suicide vest is more "terrorist" than killing innocents via a remote control drone/air strike?
Premise is:

Crude examples but you get the idea:

Targeted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6txl_Nd3oVc

Indiscriminate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha04HDHkNTY
At which point has Hamas used poison gas ? You do know Syria is a different country to Israel and Gaza right ?

Using artillery and white phosphorous in a heavily built up area is indiscriminate.

UN school being Targeted ?

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 21st August 16:01

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
At which point has Hamas used poison gas ? You do know Syria is a different country to Israel and Gaza right ?

Using artillery and white phosphorous in a heavily built up area is indiscriminate.

UN school being "targeted"

Targeted ?
Where as your average Grad is mega accurate?

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.
ISIS are evil. James Foley's killing was an atrocious act.

But both bear comparison with the actions of Irgun and the Stern gang.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.
ISIS are evil. James Foley's killing was an atrocious act.

But both bear comparison with the actions of Irgun and the Stern gang.
Whilst dead is dead I would suggest that neither Irgun of Lehi held people for 2 years then brutally beheaded them. Their crimes are also almost 70 years ago.

He would also find it hard to write on the Irgun or Lehi threads unless you can direct us to them?

Edited by Grumfutock on Thursday 21st August 16:07

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Where as your average Grad is mega accurate?
I am sure the children, women and babies being killed (ratio of 1 to 10 biased towards the Palestinians) are very interested in the relative CEP of the various weapons being used against them.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
Grumfutock said:
Where as your average Grad is mega accurate?
I am sure the children, women and babies being killed (ratio of 1 to 10 biased towards the Palestinians) are very interested in the relative CEP of the various weapons being used against them.
So you want to condemn the LDF for being better equipped than Hamas? That's your complaint?

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Whilst dead is dead I would suggest that neither Irgun of Lehi held people for 2 years then brutally beheaded them. Their crimes are also almost 70 years ago.
You are correct. They just committed mass murder.

Deir Yassin Remembered

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
So you want to condemn the LDF for being better equipped than Hamas? That's your complaint?
No, but the London Digital Festival are not bombing Gaza.

Lost soul

8,712 posts

181 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
At which point has Hamas used poison gas ? You do know Syria is a different country to Israel and Gaza right ?

Using artillery and white phosphorous in a heavily built up area is indiscriminate.

UN school being Targeted ?

Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 21st August 16:01
School or weapons stash ?

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Whilst dead is dead I would suggest that neither Irgun of Lehi held people for 2 years then brutally beheaded them. Their crimes are also almost 70 years ago.
The Irgun were so incompetent that they had to send in a clean up squad to finish off the survivors. Some witnesses have reported that cutting weapons (machetes or swords) were seen. Great humanitarian work by the founders of modern Israel.

If the time is so great, if the issue so unimportant, release the documents. Or should we expect that they are to be destroyed in an unfortunate Hamas missile strike?

Further, the Porajmos and the Holocaust date back even further. There are still people waiting for reparations, the return of their property, a simple acknowledgement that something actually happened to their family. Should we tell them to forget it, it was so long ago, it's not important today, move along, you're holding up the bus?

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Thursday 21st August 16:34

QuantumTokoloshi

4,161 posts

216 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Lost soul said:
School or weapons stash ?
Civilian neighbourhood or IDF military area ? Civilian airport or IAF airfield ? See how that works.

Alpinestars

13,954 posts

243 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.
ISIS are evil. James Foley's killing was an atrocious act.

But both bear comparison with the actions of Irgun and the Stern gang.
But both have diddly squat to do with this thread?

Countdown

39,691 posts

195 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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audidoody said:
3. By your definition Royal Air Force Bomber Command were an extreme terrorist organisation between 1940 and 1945 and the British Army is also a terrorist organisation following the events in 1972 of what came to be known as "Bloody Sunday".

Of course they aren't - and the IDF isn't,
The British didn't set up permanent Settlements in Germany or suggest that, being of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, they were entitled to migrate en masse to Germany and evict the indigenous population.

zuby84

995 posts

189 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Alpinestars said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.
ISIS are evil. James Foley's killing was an atrocious act.

But both bear comparison with the actions of Irgun and the Stern gang.
But both have diddly squat to do with this thread?
Just leave them to it, they're getting desperate and just start deflecting as most people do when they get their back up against the wall in terms of arguments/debates.

We all agree that ISIS is a evil terrorist organisation; I don't think you have to fight/argue to get that point across with sane individuals - quite why some posters feel that you have to condemn ISIS publicly before you can condemn the IDF is beyond me. But hey-ho leave them to it.


TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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Alpinestars said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.
ISIS are evil. James Foley's killing was an atrocious act.

But both bear comparison with the actions of Irgun and the Stern gang.
But both have diddly squat to do with this thread?
I take it as a plea for balance. Not a bad thing in itself.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
Grumfutock said:
Whilst dead is dead I would suggest that neither Irgun of Lehi held people for 2 years then brutally beheaded them. Their crimes are also almost 70 years ago.
You are correct. They just committed mass murder.

Deir Yassin Remembered
Oh ok in that case what about Kfar Etzion?

And what relevance does either have with now? Should we start a UN investigation into our behaviour towards the Boers? Should the USA be in the ICC for their treatment of Native Indians? Get real mate and let us at least debate the here and now!

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
Grumfutock said:
So you want to condemn the LDF for being better equipped than Hamas? That's your complaint?
No, but the London Digital Festival are not bombing Gaza.
Oops, I apologise for my fat little typo fingers smile

Lost soul

8,712 posts

181 months

Thursday 21st August 2014
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QuantumTokoloshi said:
Lost soul said:
School or weapons stash ?
Civilian neighbourhood or IDF military area ? Civilian airport or IAF airfield ? See how that works.
Hamas do not care do they