Discussion
Transmitter Man said:
allnighter said:
xactly, and add to that the bull$hit that's being taught in Israeli primary schools about the UN creating Israel which is repeated on here by many ignoramus contributors either out of pure revisionism or wilful ignorance.
To make things clear once and for all: The U.N. General Assembly endorsed UNSCOP’s in its Resolution 181. It is often claimed that this resolution “partitioned” Palestine, or that it provided Zionist leaders with a legal mandate for their subsequent declaration of the existence of the state of Israel, or some other similar variation on the theme. All such claims are absolutely FALSE.
Resolution 181 merely endorsed the U.N special commission on Palestine as a recommendation i.e nothing was set on stone till the Arab agreed, and seeing the Arabs did NOT agree to their land being given away to some foreign settlers and immigrants, and therefore did not sign on the dotted lines so to speak, it renders the recommendation and resolution 181 null and void anyway because just like a contract needs both parties' agreements and approval, the U.N had no authority to take land from one people and give it to another without their explicit consent.
The subsequent unilateral declaration of the state of Israel remains just that: Unilateral, illegal, unjust vis-a-vis the indigenous Arabs and has its roots and foundation in terror, intimidation, expulsion, and destruction as set out by the Dalet Plan.
Re your foreign settlers & immigrants you're forgetting that there were Israelites living in the Southern Levant since beyond the year dot.To make things clear once and for all: The U.N. General Assembly endorsed UNSCOP’s in its Resolution 181. It is often claimed that this resolution “partitioned” Palestine, or that it provided Zionist leaders with a legal mandate for their subsequent declaration of the existence of the state of Israel, or some other similar variation on the theme. All such claims are absolutely FALSE.
Resolution 181 merely endorsed the U.N special commission on Palestine as a recommendation i.e nothing was set on stone till the Arab agreed, and seeing the Arabs did NOT agree to their land being given away to some foreign settlers and immigrants, and therefore did not sign on the dotted lines so to speak, it renders the recommendation and resolution 181 null and void anyway because just like a contract needs both parties' agreements and approval, the U.N had no authority to take land from one people and give it to another without their explicit consent.
The subsequent unilateral declaration of the state of Israel remains just that: Unilateral, illegal, unjust vis-a-vis the indigenous Arabs and has its roots and foundation in terror, intimidation, expulsion, and destruction as set out by the Dalet Plan.
What existed in the so-called Jewish state in 1948 were illegal immigrants from Europe and Russia, three Zionist terrorist organisations: the Irgun, the Hagana and the Stern gangs and undefined illegal borders. The so-called State embarked on a massive military project to ensure the expulsion of the Palestinians from their homeland to make room for foreign settlers. More than 500 villages were destroyed and 750,000 Palestinian Arabs expelled.
Some indigenous Jews witnessed their Arabs neighbours forced out and kicked out and their homes occupied by newly arrived foreigners with whom they never identify even though they were Jews. Read a book called The General's Son for confirmation by Jewish witnesses' statements at the time.
Edited by allnighter on Thursday 21st August 15:31
audidoody said:
Funnily enough I have missed your wisdom and insight on the ISIS Air Strikes thread where you do not appear to be expressing your normal hysteria about the deaths of hundreds of Muslim women and children. Or is it only when Jews inadvertently kill Muslim people who are located next to people who are dropping rockets on their heads that you blood pressure rises?
Insha'Allah
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.Insha'Allah
Allāhu Akbar
Transmitter Man said:
zuby84 said:
Your premise is what exactly? Killing innocents via a suicide vest is more "terrorist" than killing innocents via a remote control drone/air strike?
Premise is:Crude examples but you get the idea:
Targeted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6txl_Nd3oVc
Indiscriminate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha04HDHkNTY
Using artillery and white phosphorous in a heavily built up area is indiscriminate.
UN school being Targeted ?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 21st August 16:01
QuantumTokoloshi said:
At which point has Hamas used poison gas ? You do know Syria is a different country to Israel and Gaza right ?
Using artillery and white phosphorous in a heavily built up area is indiscriminate.
UN school being "targeted"
Targeted ?
Where as your average Grad is mega accurate?Using artillery and white phosphorous in a heavily built up area is indiscriminate.
UN school being "targeted"
Targeted ?
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.
ISIS are evil. James Foley's killing was an atrocious act. But both bear comparison with the actions of Irgun and the Stern gang.
He would also find it hard to write on the Irgun or Lehi threads unless you can direct us to them?
Edited by Grumfutock on Thursday 21st August 16:07
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Grumfutock said:
Where as your average Grad is mega accurate?
I am sure the children, women and babies being killed (ratio of 1 to 10 biased towards the Palestinians) are very interested in the relative CEP of the various weapons being used against them.Grumfutock said:
Whilst dead is dead I would suggest that neither Irgun of Lehi held people for 2 years then brutally beheaded them. Their crimes are also almost 70 years ago.
You are correct. They just committed mass murder.Deir Yassin Remembered
QuantumTokoloshi said:
At which point has Hamas used poison gas ? You do know Syria is a different country to Israel and Gaza right ?
Using artillery and white phosphorous in a heavily built up area is indiscriminate.
UN school being Targeted ?
School or weapons stash ? Using artillery and white phosphorous in a heavily built up area is indiscriminate.
UN school being Targeted ?
Edited by QuantumTokoloshi on Thursday 21st August 16:01
Grumfutock said:
Whilst dead is dead I would suggest that neither Irgun of Lehi held people for 2 years then brutally beheaded them. Their crimes are also almost 70 years ago.
The Irgun were so incompetent that they had to send in a clean up squad to finish off the survivors. Some witnesses have reported that cutting weapons (machetes or swords) were seen. Great humanitarian work by the founders of modern Israel. If the time is so great, if the issue so unimportant, release the documents. Or should we expect that they are to be destroyed in an unfortunate Hamas missile strike?
Further, the Porajmos and the Holocaust date back even further. There are still people waiting for reparations, the return of their property, a simple acknowledgement that something actually happened to their family. Should we tell them to forget it, it was so long ago, it's not important today, move along, you're holding up the bus?
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Thursday 21st August 16:34
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.
ISIS are evil. James Foley's killing was an atrocious act. But both bear comparison with the actions of Irgun and the Stern gang.
audidoody said:
3. By your definition Royal Air Force Bomber Command were an extreme terrorist organisation between 1940 and 1945 and the British Army is also a terrorist organisation following the events in 1972 of what came to be known as "Bloody Sunday".
Of course they aren't - and the IDF isn't,
The British didn't set up permanent Settlements in Germany or suggest that, being of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, they were entitled to migrate en masse to Germany and evict the indigenous population. Of course they aren't - and the IDF isn't,
Alpinestars said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.
ISIS are evil. James Foley's killing was an atrocious act. But both bear comparison with the actions of Irgun and the Stern gang.
We all agree that ISIS is a evil terrorist organisation; I don't think you have to fight/argue to get that point across with sane individuals - quite why some posters feel that you have to condemn ISIS publicly before you can condemn the IDF is beyond me. But hey-ho leave them to it.
Alpinestars said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
I also note the lack of posts condemning ISIS on the James Foley threads.
ISIS are evil. James Foley's killing was an atrocious act. But both bear comparison with the actions of Irgun and the Stern gang.
QuantumTokoloshi said:
Grumfutock said:
Whilst dead is dead I would suggest that neither Irgun of Lehi held people for 2 years then brutally beheaded them. Their crimes are also almost 70 years ago.
You are correct. They just committed mass murder.Deir Yassin Remembered
And what relevance does either have with now? Should we start a UN investigation into our behaviour towards the Boers? Should the USA be in the ICC for their treatment of Native Indians? Get real mate and let us at least debate the here and now!
Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff