Israeli

[Grumfutock]

Alpinestars said:

Nope. Your modus operandi is to pile in with a bunch of ill thought out comments and when the going gets too tough for you, you have a juvenile moment and threaten to leave. Just do it. No one gives a st. Seriously.

You really are a very angry little man.

[Alpinestars]

Grumfutock said:

You really are a very angry little man.

Good debating skills again.

[danoli777]

Scuffers said:

danoli777 said:

Or by electing far increasingly right governments that leave the balance of power with the nutters from Yisrael Beiteinu.

And what is it the Israeli government done that qualifies you to call them nutters?

My post was in response to a comment about no peace while the Palestinians continue to elect Hamas, which is true. My point is there is a parallel on the Israeli side.
If both sides in the conflict continue to elect hardline extremist governments there will never be peace.

The exploits of the Israeli right have been highlighted several times already, a couple of highlights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-...

[Scuffers]

danoli777 said:

Scuffers said:

danoli777 said:

Or by electing far increasingly right governments that leave the balance of power with the nutters from Yisrael Beiteinu.

And what is it the Israeli government done that qualifies you to call them nutters?

My post was in response to a comment about no peace while the Palestinians continue to elect Hamas, which is true. My point is there is a parallel on the Israeli side.
If both sides in the conflict continue to elect hardline extremist governments there will never be peace.

The exploits of the Israeli right have been highlighted several times already, a couple of highlights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-...

no, that's just individuals statments, the question what what have they as a government done?

we have the same nutjob MP's here, but they do not set government policy - Mr Galloway for example.

[Grumfutock]

Alpinestars said:

Grumfutock said:

You really are a very angry little man.

Good debating skills again.

Alpinestars said:

It's a public forum in case you hadn't realised. Now take that your latest statement to its logical conclusion, who the fk invited you to reply the first time you posted? Get the logic?

Alpinestars said:

Nope. Your modus operandi is to pile in with a bunch of ill thought out comments and when the going gets too tough for you, you have a juvenile moment and threaten to leave. Just do it. No one gives a st. Seriously.

I rest my case.

[TheRealFingers99]

Hamas declares support for Palestinian bid to join international criminal court

Make of it what you will.

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Hamas declares support for Palestinian bid to join international criminal court

Make of it what you will.

Interesting but I doubt if either side would adhere to any findings. The UN commission in 2009 said both sides were guilty of crimes. A sad reality.

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

Interesting but I doubt if either side would adhere to any findings. The UN commission in 2009 said both sides were guilty of crimes. A sad reality.

Yes, but I'm pretty sure Hamas know that (they'll soon find out when they read the Grauniad!).

Does seem to indicate some sort of rapprochement with the PLO/Fatah, though.

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Yes, but I'm pretty sure Hamas know that (they'll soon find out when they read the Grauniad!).

Does seem to indicate some sort of rapprochement with the PLO/Fatah, though.

Indeed. I think they realise that whilst there is some sympathy in the west, amongst surrounding Arabic groups/states there is not. Well not since they initially backed Assad anyway.

[Scuffers]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Grumfutock said:

Interesting but I doubt if either side would adhere to any findings. The UN commission in 2009 said both sides were guilty of crimes. A sad reality.

Yes, but I'm pretty sure Hamas know that (they'll soon find out when they read the Grauniad!).

Does seem to indicate some sort of rapprochement with the PLO/Fatah, though.

and how is this just not more political posturing?

if they were serious, they would stop firing rockets etc.

every rocket is a war crime by definition.

[Grumfutock]

Scuffers said:

and how is this just not more political posturing?

if they were serious, they would stop firing rockets etc.

every rocket is a war crime by definition.

Oh I agree. This is all about trying to look legit and to appear to be the ones that have done everything to maintain the peace. I did post some pages back a fairly lengthy one about how and why Hamas are isolated, even amongst their own people and neighbours, and are trying to relight the righteous torch of being the victim. Sadly it was ignored/lost in the petty haranguing from some.

[Alpinestars]

Grumfutock said:

I rest my case.

Wow. Not sure what all that's supposed to prove but wow well done. Now let me humour you with a response using your rules. If you'd bothered to go back and look at the posts made earlier today, you'll see that Avinalarf posted the point about the rest of the world as a direct response to one of my posts. Being a public forum, Countdown responded to it. Under your rules only I should have been able to. You posted in response to Countdown. Under your rules, what skin did you have in the game? I (having skin in the game) posted in response to you. You concluded by saying I jumped in. You can't make this stuff up.

I know it's difficult following posts (you had the same problem a few weeks ago and decided to take your ball home then as well). But if you feel you've proved something, well done.

Now, back to Israeli terrorism http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

Edited by Alpinestars on Saturday 23 August 18:23

[danoli777]

Scuffers said:

danoli777 said:

Scuffers said:

danoli777 said:

Or by electing far increasingly right governments that leave the balance of power with the nutters from Yisrael Beiteinu.

And what is it the Israeli government done that qualifies you to call them nutters?

My post was in response to a comment about no peace while the Palestinians continue to elect Hamas, which is true. My point is there is a parallel on the Israeli side.
If both sides in the conflict continue to elect hardline extremist governments there will never be peace.

The exploits of the Israeli right have been highlighted several times already, a couple of highlights.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-im-on-the-...

no, that's just individuals statments, the question what what have they as a government done?

we have the same nutjob MP's here, but they do not set government policy - Mr Galloway for example.

Did you even read my post? Where did I say the government are nutters? I said "nutters from Yisrael Beiteinu"

That is you opinion. Those individuals are in government and Galloway is not, and that is the problem. In Israel they hold important portfolios and as in all coalitions they would not be in government if concessions were not made.

[Grumfutock]

Alpinestars said:

Wow. Not sure what all that's supposed to prove but wow well done. Now let me humour you with a response using your rules. If you'd bothered to go back and look at the posts made earlier today, you'll see that Avinalarf posted the point about the rest of the world as a direct response to one of my posts. Being a public forum, Countdown responded to it. Under your rules only I should have been able to. You posted in response to Countdown. Under your rules, what skin did you have in the game? I (having skin in the game) posted in response to you. You concluded by saying I jumped in. You can't make this stuff up.

I know it's difficult following posts (you had the same problem a few weeks ago and decided to take your ball home then as well). But if you feel you've proved something, well done.

My comment was that you are an angry little man, please try to follow and keep up, that is obvious by the fact that I took the time to quote your 2 posts. These quotes from your two posts showed and highlighted that you regularly seem to resort to swearing and ordering me leave. Maybe in real life you are successful and it is common for you to throw your toys out of the pram to get your own way, I neither know or care. But I will not be intimidated by you, order around by you or brow beaten by you.

I have dealt with angry, funny and petulant little people like you all my life (I have a large family with lots of children) so feel free to continue, it makes no difference to me what so ever. Just think of your blood pressure! I look forward to your retort with excitement (OK that bits a lie)

[Alpinestars]

You keep threatening to leave. I'm just helping you along by telling you it's ok to go. Call it altruism.

[Grumfutock]

Alpinestars said:

You keep threatening to leave. I'm just helping you along. Call it altruism.

Do I? Kindly quote where I said that? Please do.

What I have said is that I didn't wish to continue to converse with certain individuals, you included. A statement that I have broken I accept, but as for leaving? Never. But as usual you read one thing but quote and write another. Continue by all means.

[Alpinestars]

Grumfutock said:

Do I? Kindly quote where I said that? Please do.

What I have said is that I didn't wish to continue to converse with certain individuals, you included. A statement that I have broken I accept, but as for leaving? Never. But as usual you read one thing but quote and write another. Continue by all means.

So don't converse then. No one is making you do it darling.

[JagLover]

Slaav said:

On the actual point a few posts above, can anybody think of any recent history (say last couple of hundred years) whereby an invading force or 'oppressor' has successfully defended their actions, held their territory 'stolen' from the indigenous people and not been totally ostracised by the rest of the world? If not evicted and ultimately defeated leading to decades of pain?

And this is a genuine and serious question ....

Population killed or expelled
Turkey-Ethnic Armenian regions
Turkey-Ethnic Greek regions
Ukraine-Ethnic Polish regions
Crimea-Tartars and other non-Russian minorities
.............
The list goes on for the twentieth century

If we are going back 200 hundred years how about the USA expansion west of the Rockies into lands held by the Indians.

Most "ethnic cleansing" carried out in the last 200 hundred years has been both permanent and ultimately forgotten by most of the world.

[Slaav]

JagLover said:

Slaav said:

On the actual point a few posts above, can anybody think of any recent history (say last couple of hundred years) whereby an invading force or 'oppressor' has successfully defended their actions, held their territory 'stolen' from the indigenous people and not been totally ostracised by the rest of the world? If not evicted and ultimately defeated leading to decades of pain?

And this is a genuine and serious question ....

Population killed or expelled
Turkey-Ethnic Armenian regions
Turkey-Ethnic Greek regions
Ukraine-Ethnic Polish regions
Crimea-Tartars and other non-Russian minorities
.............
The list goes on for the twentieth century

If we are going back 200 hundred years how about the USA expansion west of the Rockies into lands held by the Indians.

Most "ethnic cleansing" carried out in the last 200 hundred years has been both permanent and ultimately forgotten by most of the world.

I did worry about the US and Native American Indians.... That is pretty shocking I guess with hindsight but not sure if the Native American Indians actually 'owned' the land but merely lived there for ever..... Still stinks though.

Not sure the other examples involved genuine displacement or annexation but will have a little read so maybe something good has come from contributing on this thread

[Wills2]

Australia is another example, whipped most of the place from the indigenous population.