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[RedTrident]

Mrr T said:

Please point me to any discussion from the Hamas apologists. I have posted reasonabe discussion points which have only been met with insults. So I am now trying their discussion techniques.

So you're not going to admit you made such a disgusting accusation up? You accused a poster of never suggesting that they wanted all jews dead. You were sure that they will be happy so long as as most of them are.

At least have the decency to apologise to allnighter for claiming that he was supportive of genocide when that is clearly not the case. And before you start to post some more diversionary nonsense, just pause and think about it first.

[Slaav]

Scuffers said:

Slaav said:

I feel similarly re the extreme right within Israel and especially re the extreme Zionist view which pursues a one State and worse, a one religion solution to the detriment and 100% exclusion of all others.

once again, I have to ask, where do you get this stuff from?

I have never seen anybody anywhere suggest this - infact, the only religion whose followers have ever prosecuted this (in the region) is the Muslims (in the current form of ISIS)

I actually cannot find the exact article I was remembering but how is this :

"Israel must attack Gaza even more mercilessly, expel the population and resettle the territory with Jews" the deputy speaker of Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, has said.

Not sure if this is the sort of thing you wanted to see? It does appear that his views are seen as extreme even to the Right in Israel. Thank (whichever) God that is the case.....

[danoli777]

Just because you disagree with Israeli policy DOES NOT make you a Hamas apologist.

[zuby84]

danoli777 said:

Just because you disagree with Israeli policy DOES NOT make you a Hamas apologist.

Whoa, careful there... That's getting a bit complex for some of us.

[danoli777]

Slaav said:

Scuffers said:

Slaav said:

I feel similarly re the extreme right within Israel and especially re the extreme Zionist view which pursues a one State and worse, a one religion solution to the detriment and 100% exclusion of all others.

once again, I have to ask, where do you get this stuff from?

I have never seen anybody anywhere suggest this - infact, the only religion whose followers have ever prosecuted this (in the region) is the Muslims (in the current form of ISIS)

I actually cannot find the exact article I was remembering but how is this :

"Israel must attack Gaza even more mercilessly, expel the population and resettle the territory with Jews" the deputy speaker of Israel’s parliament, the Knesset, has said.

Not sure if this is the sort of thing you wanted to see? It does appear that his views are seen as extreme even to the Right in Israel. Thank (whichever) God that is the case.....

Scuffers has a very selective memory, I quoted this article in reply to him yesterday.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

[Slaav]

danoli777 said:

Scuffers has a very selective memory, I quoted this article in reply to him yesterday.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

I think I will withdraw from parts of this discussion for just this reason - thanks for the link as that is one article I was remembering

[TheRealFingers99]

Scuffers and Mrr T, can I enquire as to which UK political Party you support?

[Mrr T]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Scuffers and Mrr T, can I enquire as to which UK political Party you support?

Why?

[TheRealFingers99]

Mrr T said:

Why?

Why not?

Just humour me.

[Mrr T]

RedTrident said:

So you're not going to admit you made such a disgusting accusation up? You accused a poster of never suggesting that they wanted all jews dead. You were sure that they will be happy so long as as most of them are.

At least have the decency to apologise to allnighter for claiming that he was supportive of genocide when that is clearly not the case. And before you start to post some more diversionary nonsense, just pause and think about it first.

Is that the same allnighter who accused Israel of genocide?

[allnighter]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Scuffers and Mrr T, can I enquire as to which UK political Party you support?

[TheRealFingers99]

Mrr T said:

RedTrident said:

So you're not going to admit you made such a disgusting accusation up? You accused a poster of never suggesting that they wanted all jews dead. You were sure that they will be happy so long as as most of them are.

At least have the decency to apologise to allnighter for claiming that he was supportive of genocide when that is clearly not the case. And before you start to post some more diversionary nonsense, just pause and think about it first.

Is that the same allnighter who accused Israel of genocide?

I see some logic warpage Captain.

To accuse someone/something of Genocide is hardly the same as supporting it.

For example:

Me: "The Nazis committed genocide against the Jews and Roma in WW2"

Mrr T: "Ah, so you support genocide!"

Get it?

I smell a kipper.

[allnighter]

Mrr T said:

RedTrident said:

So you're not going to admit you made such a disgusting accusation up? You accused a poster of never suggesting that they wanted all jews dead. You were sure that they will be happy so long as as most of them are.

At least have the decency to apologise to allnighter for claiming that he was supportive of genocide when that is clearly not the case. And before you start to post some more diversionary nonsense, just pause and think about it first.

Is that the same allnighter who accused Israel of genocide?

You're just making it up as you go along aren't you? Lies after lies. Where did I use the term 'genocide' in relation to Israel? Go on embarrass yourself even more, Which page and which line? and while you're at it find me evidence of me stating or insinuating that I would be happy if most of Jews were dead too. You are a pathetic liar, and you are clearly a desperate fool digging yourself a bigger hole now!

Here's some help:

[allnighter]

This idiot (Mrr T) must be off his rocker! He makes a fresh accusation at gone past midnight then repeats the same post at 5 am. What a tool!

[Scuffers]

Slaav said:

danoli777 said:

Scuffers has a very selective memory, I quoted this article in reply to him yesterday.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

I think I will withdraw from parts of this discussion for just this reason - thanks for the link as that is one article I was remembering

its like arguing with a 5 year old.

Look, how is what the speaker says got any impact on anything?

it's the same as John Bercow here, yes he's the speaker, but he has zero impact on government policy, and yes he's a nutjob too.

ignoring that, your link does not suggest converting everybody to judaism (in fact AFAIK, that's impossible, your either born a jew or not.)

if you round up enough politicians quotes, I am sure you can get one to say almost anything, but in the real world, they have no real effect.

This is a little different that an organisation that's stated aim is the destruction of another race.

[Grumfutock]

Qwert1e said:

Grumfutock said:

Well we haven't managed that so far in our entire history and I see no reason to expect that to change any time soon. Oh and turning the other cheek has never worked either, not once, ever. Never has, never will.

You seem to have closed your eyes and buried your head in the sand.

• Remember the War of the Roses? - When were Lancashire and Yorkshire last at war?
• Remember the Napoleonic wars? - when were England and France last at war?
• Remember World War 2? - When were Britain and Germany last at war?

Frankly your attitude is 100% typical of Israel and its supporters.

Seriously? That's your proof that mankind is a peace loving people? That we haven't fought the French or Germans for 69 years? In over 18,000 (that's 18,000) years of history we haven't had a fight with the French in 70 years is your proof? OK, slightly sunned but OK.

And I have my head in the sand? WOW! This has to be the funniest post I have ever seen on PH!

There are more wars and armed conflicts going on now than in any other time in our history!

Edited by Grumfutock on Monday 25th August 08:14

[zuby84]

Scuffers said:

ignoring that, your link does not suggest converting everybody to judaism (in fact AFAIK, that's impossible, your either born a jew or not.)

Scuffers, this is why people are ignoring you and why I'm going to be ignoring your points from now on. No one accused Israel of trying to convert everyone to Judaism.

You confused (purposefully or stupidly) "Israel must attack Gaza even more mercilessly, expel the population and resettle the territory with Jews" with your version of events being "Israel wants to convert everyone to Judaism." [which no one at all has alluded to AFAIK]

Just to make things clear "expel the population and resettle the territory with Jews" is not the same as "convert the population to Judaism."

You don't even know what you're arguing about half the time.

[Joffery666]

Holocaust survivors and their descendants accuse ISRAEL/ZIONISTS of ‘genocide’

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-eas...

[Scuffers]

zuby84 said:

Scuffers said:

ignoring that, your link does not suggest converting everybody to judaism (in fact AFAIK, that's impossible, your either born a jew or not.)

Scuffers, this is why people are ignoring you and why I'm going to be ignoring your points from now on. No one accused Israel of trying to convert everyone to Judaism.

You confused (purposefully or stupidly) "Israel must attack Gaza even more mercilessly, expel the population and resettle the territory with Jews" with your version of events being "Israel wants to convert everyone to Judaism." [which no one at all has alluded to AFAIK]

Just to make things clear "expel the population and resettle the territory with Jews" is not the same as "convert the population to Judaism."

You don't even know what you're arguing about half the time.

can you not hold a thought for more than 10 seconds?

look back at the original accusation.

Slaav said:

I feel similarly re the extreme right within Israel and especially re the extreme Zionist view which pursues a one State and worse, a one religion solution to the detriment and 100% exclusion of all others.

[Mrr T]

allnighter said:

Mrr T said:

RedTrident said:

So you're not going to admit you made such a disgusting accusation up? You accused a poster of never suggesting that they wanted all jews dead. You were sure that they will be happy so long as as most of them are.

At least have the decency to apologise to allnighter for claiming that he was supportive of genocide when that is clearly not the case. And before you start to post some more diversionary nonsense, just pause and think about it first.

Is that the same allnighter who accused Israel of genocide?

You're just making it up as you go along aren't you? Lies after lies. Where did I use the term 'genocide' in relation to Israel? Go on embarrass yourself even more, Which page and which line? and while you're at it find me evidence of me stating or insinuating that I would be happy if most of Jews were dead too. You are a pathetic liar, and you are clearly a desperate fool digging yourself a bigger hole now!

Here's some help:

You did read my post?

“Is that the same allnighter who accused Israel of genocide”

Evidence below:

allnighter said:

only you overlooked the Zionist terrorism Arabs were subjected to and the forced expulsion and ethnic cleansing of 750.000 Arabs and the destruction of more than 500 villages to make room for these immigrants in order to change the demographics of Palestine, because the racist Zionist future state was not ready to tolerate a majority Arab population, nor was Zionism inclusive in its ideology.It was/is no different to a white supremacist ideology: Racist to the core.

allnighter said:

Indiscriminate tank shelling of densely populated area like Gaza by the IDF constitute a crime against humanity and is a form of terrorism sanctioned and sponsored by the state of Israel which collectively punishes Palestinians as long as Hamas is in charge.There is no such thing as "legal terrorism" just because it's conducted by an official government.The US and Israel - flatly reject the concept that a state is capable of “terrorism” so according to their definition the Ton Ton Macoute of Haiti under the Duvaliers, the Nazi SS and Gestapo, or the ISI of Pakistan - all of whom used outright terrorist tactics for various purposes, were not “terrorists” because they were official state agencies. I think most observers would consider their actions terrorist in nature.