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[Pappa Lurve]

Octoposse said:

Pappa Lurve said:

Finally, there is an assumption that police or Army who break the rules of engagement are covered up. The reverse is true. as a member of the Israeli armed forces, a black mark on your record, from a censure to a life prison term, will pretty much impact every area of your life. And they are pursued. Heavily. But its not news so you don;t see it covered on the media here.

Hardly - pretty clear that the Israeli state, in practice if not in theory, is supportive of army marksmen / bulldozer drivers / et al who target children, journalists and foreign activists.

Based on your actual experience or a few reports you have read in the media?

[Bacardi]

league67 said:

Brazil no African dictatorship? Thanks for the valuable geographical lesson, I was under impression that Brazil was indeed in Africa.

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[Campo]

He's being sarcastic, you know - the lowest form of wit (but a great British trait).

[league67]

Pappa Lurve said:

Astonishing. But thanks for proving my point by isolating one part, then isolating that in turn from the events before and the consequences of those events. For example, you have no idea if those guys are, right now, under arrest. Maybe they are, maybe they are not, no idea. And if they are or not, neither of us knows why that decision was reached.

Same as ever on these threads, people with largely no real understanding of the situation, or even who is involved or why, proclaim a view and often a fix. If it was that simple, it would have been dealt with years ago.

What is astonishing? That I don't share your view? Of course, your view is the correct one. You know the best. What isolation. Even if he was attacking police officers, a claim that he denies, shouldn't he be arrested and tried? Do you think that, in any context, it's ok for police officer to sit on a defenceless 16 year old while another one is kicking his head in?

But you, you have the 'real understanding' of what is going on. I'm not offering a fix because I have no idea how to fix things there. Too many violent morons on both sides. Bad as each other.

[Pappa Lurve]

league67 said:

What is astonishing? That I don't share your view? Of course, your view is the correct one. You know the best. What isolation. Even if he was attacking police officers, a claim that he denies, shouldn't he be arrested and tried? Do you think that, in any context, it's ok for police officer to sit on a defenceless 16 year old while another one is kicking his head in?

But you, you have the 'real understanding' of what is going on. I'm not offering a fix because I have no idea how to fix things there. Too many violent morons on both sides. Bad as each other.

The astonishing bit refers to you isolating one event and one part of a past, as I have said. I have also not said I am right, but I have not made a bunch of conclusions and statements based on what is clearly a very limited understanding of the situation.

To answer your question - nope, nor did I claim to.

And yes, I do have a real understanding of the situation. Others who are equally or more so may agree or disagree with me, it has been a subject for debate for a very long time but to take one single event, knowing nothing about the situation, knowing nothing about what happened afterwards and somehow draw that out into an understanding of the situation is, I would suggest, perhaps a bit of a reach.

[franki68]

SR7492 said:

Nice to see Israeli police at its best and keeping up good human rights.

http://news.sky.com/story/1295705/us-profoundly-tr...

Can you give us a link to every single person beaten by policeman around the world this week ?

[skyrover]

franki68 said:

SR7492 said:

Nice to see Israeli police at its best and keeping up good human rights.

http://news.sky.com/story/1295705/us-profoundly-tr...

Can you give us a link to every single person beaten by policeman around the world this week ?

Here we go... "end police brutality in Brazil"!!!

No lets let them have the world cup instead

http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/0...

Or just a few days ago in the greatest democracy on earth

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/06/officer-p...

Edited by skyrover on Monday 7th July 09:18

[franki68]

skyrover said:

Here we go... "end police brutality in Brazil"!!!

No lets let them have the world cup instead

http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/0...

I'm asking for the op to put it in context,just dont want people say he's judging Israeli police by a standard he doesn't apply elsewhere,because he wouldn't do that would he ? Although I can't find much from him on here about police brutality
Around the world,maybe police brutality only exists in Israel ?

[anonymous-user]

redtwin said:

No justification for two police officers to pin a child down on the ground and kick him in the head. Even if that child had just murdered 100 people. He may have initially resisted arrest, but they eventually got the upper hand and continued to rain down punches and kicks even after he was subdued.

Arrest him, charge him, then a trial by the courts. Anything else beyond that is vigilantism.

Exactly.

[OllieC]

I find it hilarious that the US is commenting on this, there are loads of stories about US police brutality

[skyrover]

franki68 said:

skyrover said:

Here we go... "end police brutality in Brazil"!!!

No lets let them have the world cup instead

http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/0...

I'm asking for the op to put it in context,just dont want people say he's judging Israeli police by a standard he doesn't apply elsewhere,because he wouldn't do that would he ? Although I can't find much from him on here about police brutality
Around the world,maybe police brutality only exists in Israel ?

Exactly... it's wrong and abhorrent, but if we had a thread for every case of police brutality around the world, we would have no room for anything else.

If the OP is trying to suggest those officers were ordered from the top to kick the crap out of this poor bugger, than I would probably suggest he takes a look elsewhere. China perhaps.

[league67]

franki68 said:

Can you give us a link to every single person beaten by policeman around the world this week ?

Why? Would that make this particular beating up more palatable? Do you go on every link posted in NPE adn ask posters to post every single 'comparable' event from around the world. AFter all it's only fair not to single out certain events.

[Transmitter Man]

[quote=AW111] made a mistake.

I'll correct it for you.

"Not bloody likely".

[Transmitter Man]

skyrover said:

Mr Snap said:

Why should Jordan be obliged to pick up the mess created by the Israeli's? How would you like it if half the french population decided to up sticks and move across the channel? Why should the Jordanians be expected to tolerate levels of immigration that we wouldn't tolerate ourselves. Palestinians aren't Jordanians, to think otherwise is the same as saying all arabs are the same...

Because it's a bit short sighted to blame the whole mess on the Israeli's (although they do have their part)

There is no such country as Palestine, it's an invented state.

The concept of a Palestinian state in Jordan is not new. In fact, Jordan was created based on the Faisal-Weizmann agreement by which Jews agreed to give away 78 percent of the British Mandate for Palestine to the Hashemites to establish a homeland for the Palestinian Arabs.

The Hashemites have never kept their promise. Even today, the UNHCR reports that Jordan’s Palestinian majority is still treated as “refugees” by Jordan’s king.

They can't Vote, obtain citizenship, own land, obtain a driving license, access public education, access social benefits etc etc... yet we never hear about this.

Mr Snap said:

As for the Israeli 'targeted missile attacks', they aren't any better targeted than the Palestinian rocket attacks. The Israeli's vulnerable to the attacks also have the option of being able to move out of southern Israel if they wish, those living in Gaza don't have that luxury, they literally can't escape. No wonder they act like rats in a trap, you probably would too under the same circumstances.

So random firing of rockets into populated territories is excusable, but retaliation with precision weaponry is not?
You are saying the Israeli's should move away... do you think the rocket attacks would stop if they did?

...and Jordan is not the only country where Palestinians have similar status, Lebanon is another.

Phil

[Lost soul]

SR7492 said:

Nice to see Israeli police at its best and keeping up good human rights.

http://news.sky.com/story/1295705/us-profoundly-tr...

So what had the little scrote been doing before he got a slap ?

[Lost soul]

GTIR said:

The majority of Palestinian rockets get intercepted by the Israeli defence force. Each time the Israelis retaliate with "targeted" missile strikes.

bds.




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So that makes it ok does , it , but I agree the Palestinians are bastads

[Transmitter Man]

Vandenberg said:

You may want to check which security and anti virus software you use as a lot of the code and information security software originates in Israel so you can boycott that as well to add to your warm cosy glow of self satisfaction but check to see if you are using Intel chips on your devices as you will need to remove them as well.

Also if you ever need any medical treatment you may want to check if any of the technology has been developed in Israel so you can boycott that as well.

A few generations of war and the Israeli mentality has resulted in some world changing technology, some of it for world good and some of it to make killing each other more efficient.

Its a lot more complicated than refusing to buy Israeli fruit and veg at M&S, if you going to have a moral stand and deprive Palestinian farmers of income at least spread that to the rest of the sectors in Israel.

^^^^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^^^^^ Much of the AWAX electronic surveillance systems as well - and don't forget those nice juicy Jaffa oranges:-)

[Countdown]

OllieC said:

I find it hilarious that the US is commenting on this, there are loads of stories about US police brutality

I think there's a slight difference.

The US will investigate impartially and punish where necessary. The Israeli initial standpoint is always to defend their military and blame the other party. Generally the rest of the world accepts their version at face value. It is only when they are blatantly lying that probing questions are asked.

Rachel Corrie and Tom Hurndall were a good example. Iman Darweesh was another.

The stuff in the OP isn't a rare occurrence, it is regular. The only difference being in this case that it's much harder to label the 16 year old as a terrorist/militant since he's a US citizen on vacation.

[Transmitter Man]

GTIR said:

They'd be no fights over Volvo estates.

Have you driven through Stamford Hill recently.?

They have discarded the Volvo's for people carriers.

[AW111]

Lost soul said:

So what had the little scrote been doing before he got a slap ?

If you look at the photos of his face after the beating, it was more than just "a slap", but then there's at least one person on PH advocating sharia law every time someone under the age of 40 does something wrong, including those saddos who cheer when joyriders and their passengers get killed.