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Grumfutock said:
So allnighter, 3 more pages go by and it has been a complete day since your lies and my challenge for you to prove it. I suggested that you put up or shut up. You have managed to post in that time, drivel and childish comments, so you are on here and active.
I assume from your lack of posting said evidence of my alleged meme that you are wrong and you lied.
Nice to know the sort of chap I am dealing with.
3 more pages where you seem intent more on bickering than addressing some of the posts relevant to this thread. Which is why I think you would prefer to sidetrack this debate rather than perhaps respond to some awkward questions?I assume from your lack of posting said evidence of my alleged meme that you are wrong and you lied.
Nice to know the sort of chap I am dealing with.
Edited by Grumfutock on Monday 1st September 06:38
Following on from more seizures of West Bank land - can you understand why some Palestinians might be frustrated?
Grumfutock said:
And as I said a few pages back, banter, debate and even name calling is all part of the game but lying just isn't on.
I have now left it as said above, he has shown the sort of person he is. A LIAR!
[Lying]Good morning dearest![/lying]I have now left it as said above, he has shown the sort of person he is. A LIAR!
Some of us have to work for a living, so I did not read your response a few pages back because you 'promised' you would not respond anymore on this subject.
There you are again high on testosterone treating this thread as a platform to [telling the truth]show off, act like a hormonal adolescent[/telling the truth] and getting even more personal with me.
Yes as far as memes are concerned I did confuse you with your equally dumb biggest fan on here, you know the guy who thinks you are so [sarcasm]cleverer!
Big deal! My mistaken identity is a small matter in the grand scheme of what you really are!
This does not detract from everything else I said about you, and I stand by every word I said. i.e. You are a vulgar and vile man.
HTH.
Apologies to everyone else for responding to this troll.
Countdown said:
3 more pages where you seem intent more on bickering than addressing some of the posts relevant to this thread. Which is why I think you would prefer to sidetrack this debate rather than perhaps respond to some awkward questions?
Following on from more seizures of West Bank land - can you understand why some Palestinians might be frustrated?
Really? Which 3 pages did you read? I see 3 pages of constructive debate about the subject!Following on from more seizures of West Bank land - can you understand why some Palestinians might be frustrated?
allnighter said:
Big deal! My mistaken identity is a small matter in the grand scheme of what you really are!
This does not detract from everything else I said about you, and I stand by every word I said. i.e. You are a vulgar and vile man.
HTH.
SHHHHHHH Grown ups are talking!This does not detract from everything else I said about you, and I stand by every word I said. i.e. You are a vulgar and vile man.
HTH.
Apologies to everyone else for responding to this troll.
Grumfutock said:
allnighter said:
Big deal! My mistaken identity is a small matter in the grand scheme of what you really are!
This does not detract from everything else I said about you, and I stand by every word I said. i.e. You are a vulgar and vile man.
HTH.
SHHHHHHH Grown ups are talking!This does not detract from everything else I said about you, and I stand by every word I said. i.e. You are a vulgar and vile man.
HTH.
Apologies to everyone else for responding to this troll.
When you read from a script whilst debating, and you cannot find an answer nor think of one when a poster asks a question, do not respond by saying: "You are too wrapped up in this or that... so I will leave it for now" That's not a very good debating technique. It makes you look as slippery as an eel.
Well done ninja stealth mods!
Context : someone posted an unacceptable anti-semitic remark (not one of the regulars), I replied (stupidly quoted it) telling them off, today there's no sign of either post.
I think the mods did the right thing, but it feels a bit odd when posts just vanish.
Grumfutock and allnighter - can both you guys cool it please? Despite the arguments and insults, I would rather not see this thread locked.
Context : someone posted an unacceptable anti-semitic remark (not one of the regulars), I replied (stupidly quoted it) telling them off, today there's no sign of either post.
I think the mods did the right thing, but it feels a bit odd when posts just vanish.
Grumfutock and allnighter - can both you guys cool it please? Despite the arguments and insults, I would rather not see this thread locked.
AW111 said:
Well done ninja stealth mods!
Context : someone posted an unacceptable anti-semitic remark (not one of the regulars), I replied (stupidly quoted it) telling them off, today there's no sign of either post.
I think the mods did the right thing, but it feels a bit odd when posts just vanish.
Grumfutock and allnighter - can both you guys cool it please? Despite the arguments and insults, I would rather not see this thread locked.
I am cool. I gave you a +1 to your reply and it vanished too.I think many posters on here were abhorred by the anti-Semitic post and mods did the right thing.Context : someone posted an unacceptable anti-semitic remark (not one of the regulars), I replied (stupidly quoted it) telling them off, today there's no sign of either post.
I think the mods did the right thing, but it feels a bit odd when posts just vanish.
Grumfutock and allnighter - can both you guys cool it please? Despite the arguments and insults, I would rather not see this thread locked.
I would suggest that it has run its course. Further discussion is pointless because as soon as anyone tries to explain why they might behave the way they do, they are shouted down as an ignorant Zionist! The consensus on here is that Israel is a fascist state and are committing genocide, so it isn't open to discussion.
What is left to debate?
What is left to debate?
AW111 said:
Grum : for the record, I have never called you a Zionist.
I can well understand why Israel behaves as it does, I just think it is wrong, and in the long run counter-productive.
I agree and have never said anything other. Maybe I have said the reasons why a little to loudly and not labored the evils of it enough. I can well understand why Israel behaves as it does, I just think it is wrong, and in the long run counter-productive.
And no, you haven't called me an evil Zionist, and for that I thank you and view you as a grown up.
AW111 said:
Grum : for the record, I have never called you a Zionist.
I can well understand why Israel behaves as it does, I just think it is wrong, and in the long run counter-productive.
I would suggest that the way Israel behaves is criminal. It is stealing land and permanently depriving the Palestinians from accessing it.I can well understand why Israel behaves as it does, I just think it is wrong, and in the long run counter-productive.
Countdown said:
I would suggest that the way Israel behaves is criminal. It is stealing land and permanently depriving the Palestinians from accessing it.
I used the word "wrong" deliberately, as I am sure there is many a heated argument can and will be had on the definition of "criminal", and I didn't want to set that off 
JuniorD said:
Anyone know if ISIS have designs on Israel, or what contingency Israel have for ISIS?
Yes, their stated claim is to start by conquering Iraq, Syria, Jordan, Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Cyprus and an area in southern Turkey. They would have to take Jordan or Syria (not very likely in my opinion) first but then Israel would be right in the firing line.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-290080...
Absolutely necessary for self defence. Or, it's to prevent rockets being fired from there. Or, it might be used in the future for the training of terrorists, or Hamas.
Unhinged primitive morons.
Absolutely necessary for self defence. Or, it's to prevent rockets being fired from there. Or, it might be used in the future for the training of terrorists, or Hamas.
Unhinged primitive morons.
2013BRM said:
JuniorD said:
Anyone know if ISIS have designs on Israel, or what contingency Israel have for ISIS?
I doubt they'd bother picking on anyone who can fight back, these guys are nothing but a depraved and motley collection of sick bully boys 
JuniorD said:
Anyone know if ISIS have designs on Israel, or what contingency Israel have for ISIS?
Their designs are pretty much as Grumfuttock outlines. By themselves I don't think they pose any real threat to Israel.
1. At best, they have a limited supply of decent weapons (equal to the stuff the Israelis have, but much less of it)
2. At best, they have Iraqi troops and commanders and probably defectors from the Syrian army. Much of the rest will be relatively poorly trained.
Their strength so far seems to be in mobility against poorly equipped and ill equipped opponents.
They've had no lasting success against the Lebanese and the Kurds and Iraqi army seem to be holding them (with a little help).
Remember that to take Israel they've first got to get through Hezbollah (higher up on their enemy list than Israel)and then, you presume, the Palestinians.
I'm not sure that there's any really coherent Israeli thought on the issue yet. One view from Israel here.
On the other side, the IDF itself is probably over-rated and somewhat demoralised by years of Intifada, the whole Gaza experience and the Lebanese conflict(s).
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Monday 1st September 13:42
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Monday 1st September 13:43
Thank you Mods for dealing with that issue.
I have no issue whatsoever that one of my posts seems to have gone with it as it really did need removal (the outrageous remarks, not my post)
On a lighter note, and in line with a couple of questions last night/this morning, is anybody on the 'Israeli side' (or even a 'neutral' - anybody in fact) happy to try and explain how the Appropriation of further land for increased settlements is helping the peace process? Or is it a case of grabbing (yes, I know they were not necessarily owned by Palestinians - who do exist by the way) these settlements now before they are 'forced' to stop for a while?
If you have a few minutes, I really can recommend that you spend them looking at the comments on the Times of Israel pages linked to above. Wow!!!
I have no issue whatsoever that one of my posts seems to have gone with it as it really did need removal (the outrageous remarks, not my post
)On a lighter note, and in line with a couple of questions last night/this morning, is anybody on the 'Israeli side' (or even a 'neutral' - anybody in fact) happy to try and explain how the Appropriation of further land for increased settlements is helping the peace process? Or is it a case of grabbing (yes, I know they were not necessarily owned by Palestinians - who do exist by the way) these settlements now before they are 'forced' to stop for a while?
If you have a few minutes, I really can recommend that you spend them looking at the comments on the Times of Israel pages linked to above. Wow!!!
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