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Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Well, the non-believers might favour such a solution. Still, I think that religious Jews might rise up and join the Muslims and Christians in slaughtering the perpetrators.

Wouldn't it be a bit like winning the love of a beautiful woman by amputating your penis?
You do what you want with your penis.

Personally I don't think anyone would care. Yes there would be a stink at the UN, you know that body that Israel always listen to. Yes world opinion would go against them, you know that opinion that Israel really care about. Yes the Arabic world would hate them, you know that Arabic world that Israel really wants to be friends with. And inside of a year it will all be forgotten. Remember Tiananmen square? Lots of talk and outrage both nobody really cared.

dudleybloke

19,717 posts

185 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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It could be called the ultimate debate on science vs religion.

Or don't the god botherers have enough faith?

Countdown

39,690 posts

195 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Well on possible solution would be to nuke Gaza and the West Bank. Problem goes away.
Some sort of "Final Solution"? Wouldn't surprise me, given Israel's history.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Personally I don't think anyone would care. Yes there would be a stink at the UN, you know that body that Israel always listen to. Yes world opinion would go against them, you know that opinion that Israel really care about. Yes the Arabic world would hate them, you know that Arabic world that Israel really wants to be friends with. And inside of a year it will all be forgotten. Remember Tiananmen square? Lots of talk and outrage both nobody really cared.
For the Muslims, it would be a relatively minor outrage. For the Orthodox Jews it would be an invitation to outright war. Jew kills Jew. End of Israel, Muslims take over.

UN and Christians wring hands, shake heads, move on. Iran says they could have done it better, etc.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
For the Muslims, it would be a relatively minor outrage. For the Orthodox Jews it would be an invitation to outright war. Jew kills Jew. End of Israel, Muslims take over.

UN and Christians wring hands, shake heads, move on. Iran says they could have done it better, etc.
Or Jews evacuate Jews. And even if Jew kills Jew then you would be even happier! Not only does the whole problem go away but you could come on here and bang on about Jewish atrocities on each other. Zionist vs Extremist. You should be happy!

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Grumfutock said:
So what! And no I wont try again. Fixes the problem for me.

And why isn't it habitable. Is Nagasaki and Hiroshima empty? Errrrr don't think so!
People in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are still dying from the results. Ever heard of fallout? Given the choice (which the inhabitants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't have) you'd not want to go there until it was completely decontaminated -- a fair few years.

In one of his crazier moments Benny Morris envisages an Iranian nuclear attack on Israel: "After the Shihabs fall, the world will send rescue ships and medical aid for the lightly charred. It will not nuke Iran."

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Or Jews evacuate Jews. And even if Jew kills Jew then you would be even happier! Not only does the whole problem go away but you could come on here and bang on about Jewish atrocities on each other. Zionist vs Extremist. You should be happy!
Unlike your good self, I do not relish death.

None of the solutions I've put forward involve the death of sentient beings -- not even a lamb, a chicken or a donkey. Even my worst case solution (the nutty answer to your nuclear proposal) only puts forward the idea of a Marxist Israel, ruled by Kurdish feminists in natty headscarves!

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
So what! And no I wont try again. Fixes the problem for me.

And why isn't it habitable. Is Nagasaki and Hiroshima empty? Errrrr don't think so!
People in Hiroshima and Nagasaki are still dying from the results. Ever heard of fallout? Given the choice (which the inhabitants of Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't have) you'd not want to go there until it was completely decontaminated -- a fair few years.
Actually no. People are not still dying there. I think you will find that survivors of the blast are still dying but not new generations. Over 2,000,000 would appear to be living in the two cities very happily!

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Grumfutock said:
Actually no. People are not still dying there. I think you will find that survivors of the blast are still dying but not new generations. Over 2,000,000 would appear to be living in the two cities very happily!
They're still dying there. As I said.

Both bombs were air burst at considerable altitude, which leads to a rapid decline in radiation levels. We'd see a different picture for ground burst.

Still, if you really want to destroy Jerusalem, a thermobaric weapon or two might be safer.

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
They're still dying there. As I said.

Both bombs were air burst at considerable altitude, which leads to a rapid decline in radiation levels. We'd see a different picture for ground burst.

Still, if you really want to destroy Jerusalem, a thermobaric weapon or two might be safer.
Again you write and attribute things that I have never said. Why would Jerusalem be destroyed? Why would it be ground burst? Did I say wither? No! Just carry on with your defence of the peace loving people of Palestine. Maybe you and Countdown should meet up. you could have a Hamas love in!

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
They're still dying there. As I said.

Both bombs were air burst at considerable altitude, which leads to a rapid decline in radiation levels. We'd see a different picture for ground burst.

Still, if you really want to destroy Jerusalem, a thermobaric weapon or two might be safer.
Again you write and attribute things that I have never said. Why would Jerusalem be destroyed? Why would it be ground burst? Did I say wither? No! Just carry on with your defence of the peace loving people of Palestine. Maybe you and Countdown should meet up. you could have a Hamas love in!
I'm beginning to worry seriously about your mental health. Really.

At no point do I say that it would be groundburst. I merely point out that the effects of a groundburst nuke would be different in terms of long term radiation levels. Nowhere do I attribute to you a preference for groundburst You have a problem with that? Take the medication, see a counsellor, FCS.

Grumfutock said:
Why would Jerusalem be destroyed?
Grumfutock said:
Well on possible solution would be to nuke Gaza and the West Bank. Problem goes away.
Err, because you've nuked the West Bank? And Because Jerusalem is pretty much in the West Bank?



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Grumfutock said:
dudleybloke said:
Maybe nuking Jerusalem is the answer.
If no-one can have it there's no point fighting about it.
Exactly!


This is Hiroshima after a relatively small, air burst, nuclear weapon. Destroyed.

Go see your doctor -- something ain't right.





Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Friday 31st October 22:11

Joey Ramone

2,150 posts

124 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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So, both of you are genuinely discussing the merits/demerits of nuking Jerusalem. And I was the one accused of being an idiot.

Time to end this thread before you both disappear up your own aholes.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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Joey Ramone said:
So, both of you are genuinely discussing the merits/demerits of nuking Jerusalem. And I was the one accused of being an idiot.

Time to end this thread before you both disappear up your own aholes.
I'm not discussing the merits of nuking Jerusalem. Just rebuffing my old sparing partner (who may be suffering a crisis) and a couple of others.

As you'll see, I propose a 2 state solution (with Jerusalem and Hebron as UN controlled city states, both not nuked) or a 1 state solution, equal rights for all, the right of return of Palestinian refugees, the right of residence for all Jews.

As an alternative (I admit, a daft one) I suggest ceding Israel to the Kurdish PKK as it was once part of their empire (Saladin and all that) and they could probably make a better job of it.

None of my solutions involve nukes, thermobaric weapons, or any bloodshed. War is something to avoid.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Friday 31st October 2014
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UNHRC to Israel: Probe Gaza, start working on settler evacuations

and

Bibi Takes On The World

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 1st November 01:16

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 1st November 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
I'm beginning to worry seriously about your mental health. Really.

At no point do I say that it would be groundburst. I merely point out that the effects of a groundburst nuke would be different in terms of long term radiation levels. Nowhere do I attribute to you a preference for groundburst You have a problem with that? Take the medication, see a counsellor, FCS.
Oh I see! Maybe you think the Israeli's could tunnel under the West Bank so that it could be a sub terrain blast? If you rule out air burst I am at a loss as to what you think it might be! Of course you said and meant ground burst! If you make a mistake in debating please try and be man enough to admit your error.

TheRealFingers99 said:
Err, because you've nuked the West Bank? And Because Jerusalem is pretty much in the West Bank?
Why? Does Jerusalem cover the entire West Bank? I think you are stretching your point a tad too far. But then again your inane defence of terrorist and unhinged and propaganda fuelled attacks on Israel would suggest that you are either an Muslim, an Arab or just some sad internet troll.

TheRealFingers99 said:
This is Hiroshima after a relatively small, air burst, nuclear weapon. Destroyed.

Go see your doctor -- something ain't right.
Correct, well done. Blast took place 2000ft OVER the city. Now please read above again, really slowly.

Thank you for the advise on my state of mind. It is good to see that you have the mental ineptitude to consistently resort to insults when pressed.
I find it rather sad and pathetic that you choose Movember to make your childish attempts at barbed comments regarding mental health, but maybe you didn't realise the date or the cause?

It would be advisable if you could at least act like a grown up.

Edited by Grumfutock on Saturday 1st November 10:40

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 1st November 2014
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Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
I'm beginning to worry seriously about your mental health. Really.

At no point do I say that it would be groundburst. I merely point out that the effects of a groundburst nuke would be different in terms of long term radiation levels. Nowhere do I attribute to you a preference for groundburst You have a problem with that? Take the medication, see a counsellor, FCS.
Oh I see! Maybe you think the Israeli's could tunnel under the West Bank so that it could be a sub terrain blast? If you rule out air burst I am at a loss as to what you think it might be! Of course you said and meant ground burst! If you make a mistake in debating please try and be man enough to admit your error.
I don't get you. Firstly, I never raised the idea of nuking any part of Israel. It's a barking mad idea. Utterly nuts. Given that, I do not rule in or out air burst. Both air and ground blast are entirely feasible means of delivery -- both have been demonstrated. A tunnel is hardly necessary for ground blast, after all, it's how most conventional weapons from tank shells to mortars work. Were you to want to detonate underground to produce still longer lasting radiation, it's probably possible to use a penetration weapon (bunker buster, etc.) as the delivery mechanism.

TheRealFingers99 said:
Err, because you've nuked the West Bank? And Because Jerusalem is pretty much in the West Bank?
Grumfutock said:
Why? Does Jerusalem cover the entire West Bank? I think you are stretching your point a tad too far. But then again your inane defence of terrorist and unhinged and propaganda fuelled attacks on Israel would suggest that you are either an Muslim, an Arab or just some sad internet troll.
Oh, again? Anyone who disagrees with Corporal Grumfutock is a Hamas supporter, a terrorist, an Arab, a Muslim or a (shock, horror) troll. You know where I'm from, you know my heritage, you know I'm an atheist, you know I'm a leftist. Come off it. Propaganda? Point to it. Unhinged? I'm not the one who proposes nukes as a means of solving the Israel/Palestine conflict! rolleyes

Jerusalem is 75km max from the northernmost border of the West Bank. If you want, as you suggest in your "solution" to take out (all but a part of) the West Bank you'll end up taking out Jerusalem. You'll also, quite incidentally, take out the new Israeli settlements. But I don't need to make that argument:

Grumfutock said:
dudleybloke said:
Maybe nuking Jerusalem is the answer.
If no-one can have it there's no point fighting about it.
Exactly!
TheRealFingers99 said:
This is Hiroshima after a relatively small, air burst, nuclear weapon. Destroyed.

Go see your doctor -- something ain't right.
Grumfutock said:
Thank you for the advise on my state of mind. It is good to see that you have the mental ineptitude to consistently resort to insults when pressed.
I find it rather sad and pathetic that you choose Movember to make your childish attempts at barbed comments regarding mental health, but maybe you didn't realise the date or the cause?

It would be advisable if you could at least act like a grown up.
Genuine concern. I don't know what event in November you're talking about, but if 9/11 or the Gunpowder Plot is causing you mental distress, (and, I genuinely don't remember whether I made the post in October or November -- would it really matter?) go see someone about it.


Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 1st November 2014
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I wonder what trollalollaloll is in Arabic?

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 1st November 2014
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Grumfutock said:
I wonder what trollalollaloll is in Arabic?
As I've said before, put up, or you know where the door is. You've now reached the level of Lost Soul and watsisname, the forum's resident sociopath.

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 1st November 15:22

Grumfutock

5,274 posts

164 months

Saturday 1st November 2014
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TheRealFingers99 said:
As I've said before, put up, or you know where the door is. You've now reached the level of Lost Soul and watsisname, the forum's resident sociopath.

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Saturday 1st November 15:22
And you my friend have attained forum troll. Well done, mummy and daddy troll must be very proud.

You should challenge Countdown to a troll off! See who is the biggest Jew hater on the forum.

TheRealFingers99

1,996 posts

127 months

Saturday 1st November 2014
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