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Grumfutock said:
And once again I will explain to you, although how many ways I can do this is beyond me. I cannot criticise Israeli terrorism because they are not terrorists! They are defending their state from attack. Now I know you don't see it that way and I wont convince you of it but please accept that you will not convince me that they are terrorists. Sorry.
There is no agreed definition of terrorist so you can both be right.Personally I regard selling jam in village halls a form of terrorism. I have therefore asked the Government to put the Women's Institute on the UK terrorist black list.
Mrr T said:
So lets be clear you said
"However, the voice tapes of conversations from the Israeli pilots to their command centre (recently found) show that the identity of the vessel was well known by the attackers,"
Your evidence is a film.
You did not bother to check this important fact which would clearly have shown there is no know recording. So the film recoding is fiction.
No I think my allegations are wholly correct.
In passing, I note that you've yet to provide a single reference. "However, the voice tapes of conversations from the Israeli pilots to their command centre (recently found) show that the identity of the vessel was well known by the attackers,"
Your evidence is a film.
You did not bother to check this important fact which would clearly have shown there is no know recording. So the film recoding is fiction.
No I think my allegations are wholly correct.
Even if the film is complete horses
t (and you've not, I note again, watched it!) my point stands: any new evidence forces us to re-evaluate history. Grumfutock said:
And once again I will explain to you, although how many ways I can do this is beyond me. I cannot criticise Israeli terrorism because they are not terrorists! They are defending their state from attack. Now I know you don't see it that way and I wont convince you of it but please accept that you will not convince me that they are terrorists. Sorry.
I note that you've not heard -- you nasty little anti-Semite -- of State Terrorism? But really? And the Zionist terror attacks prior to the establishment of the State of Israel? I note that you've not heard -- you nasty little anti-Semite -- of State Terrorism? But really? And the Zionist terror attacks prior to the establishment of the State of Israel?
As for definitions, I find:
terrorism
noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
and
terrorism
NOUN
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
Grumfutock would agree with neither, but what the hell, such is denial.
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 5th November 16:12
TheRealFingers99 said:
In passing, I note that you've yet to provide a single reference.
Even if the film is complete horsest (and you've not, I note again, watched it!) my point stands: any new evidence forces us to re-evaluate history.
https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_104.pdfEven if the film is complete horses
t (and you've not, I note again, watched it!) my point stands: any new evidence forces us to re-evaluate history. https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty...
https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty...
I will not comment on the whole film I have no interest. You have only mentioned one aspect and that is clearly faked.
Of cause new evidence changes history but that evidence needs to be properly authenticated. A fake recording is not evidence.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
And once again I will explain to you, although how many ways I can do this is beyond me. I cannot criticise Israeli terrorism because they are not terrorists! They are defending their state from attack. Now I know you don't see it that way and I wont convince you of it but please accept that you will not convince me that they are terrorists. Sorry.
I note that you've not heard -- you nasty little anti-Semite -- of State Terrorism? But really? And the Zionist terror attacks prior to the establishment of the State of Israel? Acts BEFORE the establishment of the state of Israel? Pre 1948 you mean? Sorry I didn't think you wanted to go back in history! But if you insist what about we go ALL the way back to Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah? Arab revolt? How about the 1 million Jews who were thrown out of Arab countries in 1948? How about the murder of Jews pre 48 in Palestine? How about all the wars? How about all the rockets, mortars and suicide attacks?
TheRealFingers99 said:
I note that you've not heard -- you nasty little anti-Semite -- of State Terrorism? But really? And the Zionist terror attacks prior to the establishment of the State of Israel?
As for definitions, I find:
terrorism
noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
and
terrorism
NOUN
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
Grumfutock would agree with neither, but what the hell, such is denial.
Now go and look up the UN definition of terrorism! You know, that group that you love referring to!As for definitions, I find:
terrorism
noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
and
terrorism
NOUN
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
Grumfutock would agree with neither, but what the hell, such is denial.
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 5th November 16:12
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
And once again I will explain to you, although how many ways I can do this is beyond me. I cannot criticise Israeli terrorism because they are not terrorists! They are defending their state from attack. Now I know you don't see it that way and I wont convince you of it but please accept that you will not convince me that they are terrorists. Sorry.
I note that you've not heard -- you nasty little anti-Semite -- of State Terrorism? But really? And the Zionist terror attacks prior to the establishment of the State of Israel? Grumfutock said:
But then again some idiots believe in god, ..................... that bacon is dirty so I don't put to much into opinions.
You didn't realise that just as pork is Haram to Muslims, it's Tereifa to Jews? Grumfutock said:
Acts BEFORE the establishment of the state of Israel? Pre 1948 you mean? Sorry I didn't think you wanted to go back in history! But if you insist what about we go ALL the way back to Kingdom of Israel and the Kingdom of Judah? Arab revolt? How about the 1 million Jews who were thrown out of Arab countries in 1948? How about the murder of Jews pre 48 in Palestine? How about all the wars? How about all the rockets, mortars and suicide attacks?
All were acts of terrorism. So you can climb out from under your stone and admit them. Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Wednesday 5th November 16:41
Grumfutock said:
Now go and look up the UN definition of terrorism! You know, that group that you love referring to!
"The UN has no internationally-agreed definition of terrorism.The definitional impasse has prevented the adoption of a Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism. Even in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 the UN failed to adopt the Convention, and the deadlock continues to this day."
And so?
TheRealFingers99 said:
You didn't realise that just as pork is Haram to Muslims, it's Tereifa to Jews?
And that makes me Anti semite but not anti Islam?? By your mental form of logic it also makes me anti vegetarian! Surely I would also be anti Catholic, Buddhist etc???? Once again, silly person.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
Now go and look up the UN definition of terrorism! You know, that group that you love referring to!
"The UN has no internationally-agreed definition of terrorism.The definitional impasse has prevented the adoption of a Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism. Even in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 the UN failed to adopt the Convention, and the deadlock continues to this day."
And so?
Grumfutock said:
And so you like to use the UN all the time, I just wondered what their definition might be. It appears that they don't have one doesn't it. So your attempt a cleverness is somewhat flawed.
There is no flaw. The impasse is mainly because some delegations wanted to exclude actions against occupying regimes or for liberation struggles from the definition. And I'll remind you that the UN created Israel (well, sort of).
TheRealFingers99 said:
There is no flaw. The impasse is mainly because some delegations wanted to exclude actions against occupying regimes or for liberation struggles from the definition.
And I'll remind you that the UN created Israel (well, sort of).
No sort of about it! UN created Israel, FACT. A fact that I have often drawn your attention to but one that you ignore. You know, those UN nice people, the ones who pass the resolution that you like to refer to. But hang on, maybe the evil Zionists infiltrated the UN?And I'll remind you that the UN created Israel (well, sort of).
Grumfutock said:
And that makes me Anti semite but not anti Islam?? By your mental form of logic it also makes me anti vegetarian!
It makes you both an anti Semite and anti Islam. Since the Arabs are among the Semitic peoples (common ancestry, Abraham and all that, remember?) and the Muslim dietary practice derives from that part of the world, Anti-Semite will do just fine. It's a huge leap of even your perverted logic to go from "some idiots believe in god, ..................... that bacon is dirty" to being anti-vegetarian, don't you think?
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
And that makes me Anti semite but not anti Islam?? By your mental form of logic it also makes me anti vegetarian!
It makes you both an anti Semite and anti Islam. Since the Arabs are among the Semitic peoples (common ancestry, Abraham and all that, remember?) and the Muslim dietary practice derives from that part of the world, Anti-Semite will do just fine. It's a huge leap of even your perverted logic to go from "some idiots believe in god, ..................... that bacon is dirty" to being anti-vegetarian, don't you think?
Grumfutock said:
No sort of about it! UN created Israel, FACT. A fact that I have often drawn your attention to but one that you ignore. You know, those UN nice people, the ones who pass the resolution that you like to refer to. But hang on, maybe the evil Zionists infiltrated the UN?
The Americans have been accused of bribing nations to vote for partition. Still, "sort of" because Israel took more than it was granted. In forgiveness, we have to realise that the UN was very naive, inexperienced, etc.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Grumfutock said:
Equally a huge leap to assert that I am anti semite!
Not so huge: people who believe that bacon is dirty are stupid. Your words. Any Jew would find that more than a little insulting. You know and I know it wasn't anti sematic, it was used to make a point, as was the earth is flat bit, so why go down this route? And I am called the troll!
Mrr T said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
In passing, I note that you've yet to provide a single reference.
Even if the film is complete horsest (and you've not, I note again, watched it!) my point stands: any new evidence forces us to re-evaluate history.
https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty/audio_trans_104.pdfEven if the film is complete horses
t (and you've not, I note again, watched it!) my point stands: any new evidence forces us to re-evaluate history. https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty...
https://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/uss_liberty...
I will not comment on the whole film I have no interest. You have only mentioned one aspect and that is clearly faked.
Of cause new evidence changes history but that evidence needs to be properly authenticated. A fake recording is not evidence.
Busted!
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