Israeli

[Funkycoldribena]

Countdown said:

The only difference being in this case that it's much harder to label the 16 year old as a terrorist/militant since he's a US citizen on vacation.

Yeah...my kids are always throwing rocks at the military when we're on vacation...

[league67]

Lost soul said:

So what had the little scrote been doing before he got a slap ?

Don't have kids.

[Countdown]

Funkycoldribena said:

Yeah...my kids are always throwing rocks at the military when we're on vacation...

So somebody gives your kids a good kicking and tells you it was because they were misbehaving and you'd accept what they said at face value?

Ok....

[franki68]

league67 said:

Why? Would that make this particular beating up more palatable? Do you go on every link posted in NPE adn ask posters to post every single 'comparable' event from around the world. AFter all it's only fair not to single out certain events.

somewhat missing the point.

[Funkycoldribena]

Countdown said:

Funkycoldribena said:

Yeah...my kids are always throwing rocks at the military when we're on vacation...

So somebody gives your kids a good kicking and tells you it was because they were misbehaving and you'd accept what they said at face value?

Ok....

If my kids went down the local army barracks and started throwing rocks at the soldiers coming out I'd fully well expect them to get a good pulverising,but I've instilled good common sense for them not to do that...

[Mermaid]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/06/israe...

[beanbag]

league67 said:

skyrover said:

Not excusing the actions of the Israeli police at all, but lets look at this in context.

This youth was wearing a mask and throwing molotov cocktails and stones at them earlier, so is not the innocent party some might assume.

Police brutality/aggressiveness is found in every country worldwide.

A quick trip to a Brazilian favela would open the OP's eye's a bit

Every time someone starts the post with 'Not excusing...' you can bet your last penny that that is exactly what they'll try do. You are excusing actions of Israeli police by 'context'. You present Israeli police side of the story as a fact. Police brutality like that found in every country? Really?

Yes, lets pick some central African dictatorship next as a proof that police is brutal in 'every country' world wide. Your lack of objectivity on these threads is astounding.

But for simpletons it seems to be important to decide who are the good and bad guys. Once that choice is out of the way, everything that 'good guys' do can be easily justified.

That video is shocking and very disturbing to anyone normal.

As for people suggesting Ghandiesque approach. Both times and circumstances are completely different and I can't see that approach working. I have no idea what, if anything, would work.

I for one am fed up with the Israeli's. How they stand on the world stage and tell us they're suffering is disgusting. The way they treat Palestinians is nothing short on how Jewish people were persecuted during the Nazi era. It's literally David vs. Goliath to an extreme.

It's no wonder organisations like Hamas exist. I don't condone their actions in any way, but I do understand the reasons for their being.

Ultimately Israel is the only country in the world that is currently expanding its international borders and slowly suffocating the Palestinians, taking away their farm land, villages, homes, etc....

There are two sides to every story but I have zero sympathy for Israel.

It was one of the biggest mistakes the British ever made allowing the formation of Israel after the Second World War.

[Lost soul]

Mermaid said:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/06/israe...

and there is the difference , I wonder if the Palestinians will do the same with the murderers of the 3 Israeli boys

[supersingle]

Lost soul said:

SR7492 said:

Nice to see Israeli police at its best and keeping up good human rights.

http://news.sky.com/story/1295705/us-profoundly-tr...

So what had the little scrote been doing before he got a slap ?

He was part of a gang who were throwing rocks and petrol bombs at police...allegedly.

Alternatively he was just walking through the area and was set upon by a gang of violent, racist Jewish police.

Take your pick.

[AW111]

Re the holocaust : the Nazis tried to exterminate the Roma (gypsies) too.
Where is their homeland?

I am not trying to diminish the gravity of the holocaust, but the Jews were not the only victims.

[anonymous-user]

Lost soul said:

and there is the difference , I wonder if the Palestinians will do the same with the murderers of the 3 Israeli boys

I hear the Israelis have already been making arrests and knocking down houses, assuming the people they did this to were guilty of this crime.

Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 7th July 13:23

[TwigtheWonderkid]

beanbag said:

The way they treat Palestinians is nothing short on how Jewish people were persecuted during the Nazi era.

Errrr, actually, it's quite a long way short.

[Mr Snap]

Lost soul said:

and there is the difference , I wonder if the Palestinians will do the same with the murderers of the 3 Israeli boys

The difference is there for a reason - the Israeli's have left no stone unturned to undermine the foundation of a well run Palestinian state. This divide and rule policy has served the Israeli purpose well over the years and left the Palestinians with a barely functioning civil society.

In making certain that the Palestinian state is permanently destabilised, they continue the creation of new terrorists, providing excuses for invasions, incursions and land thefts. If the Israelis spent a fraction of the cash they received from the USA on bolstering democracy and supporting civil society in Palestine, the bogey man would disappear and they would no longer be able to excuse their actions.

[franki68]

beanbag said:

I for one am fed up with the Israeli's. How they stand on the world stage and tell us they're suffering is disgusting. The way they treat Palestinians is nothing short on how Jewish people were persecuted during the Nazi era. It's literally David vs. Goliath to an extreme.

It's no wonder organisations like Hamas exist. I don't condone their actions in any way, but I do understand the reasons for their being.

Ultimately Israel is the only country in the world that is currently expanding its international borders and slowly suffocating the Palestinians, taking away their farm land, villages, homes, etc....

There are two sides to every story but I have zero sympathy for Israel.

It was one of the biggest mistakes the British ever made allowing the formation of Israel after the Second World War.

well done,dont know if this post or the one claiming it was worse that israel launches missiles at military targets than hamas just firing random rockets in the hope of killing someone /anyone ,wins the most stupid post on pistonheads ever award.

[beanbag]

TwigtheWonderkid said:

beanbag said:

The way they treat Palestinians is nothing short on how Jewish people were persecuted during the Nazi era.

Errrr, actually, it's quite a long way short.

Perhaps I should have been more specific.

Gaza is akin to the Ghetto's the Nazi's set up for the Jews. They have little food, fresh running water, medical supplies and so forth. The Israeli's check and detain everything going in and out, even by sea. It's a brewing pot for extremism and it's little wonder why Hamas emerged from it all.

[Lost soul]

Mr Snap said:

Lost soul said:

and there is the difference , I wonder if the Palestinians will do the same with the murderers of the 3 Israeli boys

The difference is there for a reason - the Israeli's have left no stone unturned to undermine the foundation of a well run Palestinian state. This divide and rule policy has served the Israeli purpose well over the years and left the Palestinians with a barely functioning civil society.

I think you will find that the Palestinians are the ones operating divide and rule on themselves

[andymc]

AW111 said:

Re the holocaust : the Nazis tried to exterminate the Roma (gypsies) too.
Where is their homeland?

I am not trying to diminish the gravity of the holocaust, but the Jews were not the only victims.

Sheffield

[Lost soul]

beanbag said:

Perhaps I should have been more specific.

Gaza is akin to the Ghetto's the Nazi's set up for the Jews. They have little food, fresh running water, medical supplies and so forth. The Israeli's check and detain everything going in and out, even by sea. It's a brewing pot for extremism and it's little wonder why Hamas emerged from it all.

Maybe if they put more effort into smuggling food in instead of rockets there would be no problem

[franki68]

beanbag said:

Perhaps I should have been more specific.

Gaza is akin to the Ghetto's the Nazi's set up for the Jews. They have little food, fresh running water, medical supplies and so forth. The Israeli's check and detain everything going in and out, even by sea. It's a brewing pot for extremism and it's little wonder why Hamas emerged from it all.

It's completely israels fault gaza has these issues,nothing to do with Hamas preferring to spend money on rockets and weapons,nor anything to do with the billions the Palestinian leaderships have hidden away over the years.
Wasn't there an eu report recently about where all the aid money has gone? And absolutely nothing do with egypt despite it sharing it's border.
And a brewing pot for extremism,no doubt but that's the whole middle east isn't it ?

[Mr Snap]

Lost soul said:

I think you will find that the Palestinians are the ones operating divide and rule on themselves

Have you ever wondered why that might be the case? I think you'll find that you can't bothered to look at the bigger picture.