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TheRealFingers99 said:
1. Yes. Fatah by the very act of signing the process. Hamas would be screwed, either by failing support, zapping by Fatah, or as I suggest, a UN force in the WB and Gaza in the interim.
Well I suspect that Fatah, PLO and all rest wont! http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/1...
anonymous said:
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I know its difficult to comprehend a jewish person may have a lot of family and friends in israel and may have spent many trips there,but its true.I had a holiday home in netanya ,next door to where the UN officers had residence,I spent many nights drinking with them,because there was f
k all to do in netanya at night in those days,so come back when you post something interesting instead of accusing someone of lying.so do one.
Grumfutock said:
I can confirm that whilst serving with both UNPROFOR & UNFICYP and working for MONUSCO I was offered bribes many times. I also can confirm that I know plenty that took said bribes.
what was that tax free thing on goods ? In those days the officers were driving round in ferraris and porsches (not the cleverest thing when the israelis knew they were taking bribes)when I asked why they told me they got them tax free.Holiday home on the beachfront in netanya,quite a cushy number.franki68 said:
Grumfutock said:
I can confirm that whilst serving with both UNPROFOR & UNFICYP and working for MONUSCO I was offered bribes many times. I also can confirm that I know plenty that took said bribes.
what was that tax free thing on goods ? In those days the officers were driving round in ferraris and porsches (not the cleverest thing when the israelis knew they were taking bribes)when I asked why they told me they got them tax free.Holiday home on the beachfront in netanya,quite a cushy number.TheRealFingers99 said:
AndStilliRise said:
You can have race defining attributes.
For instance, most Africans I have met are dark brown in colour.
Most jewish people i have met also have large noses.
There are plenty of Arabs in Africa. One Algerian friend has passed himself off for years as an Italian. Algeria is in Africa. For instance, most Africans I have met are dark brown in colour.
Most jewish people i have met also have large noses.
But I doubt that Jews have bigger noses than Arabs.
While there are racial attributes -- skin colour, eye colour, hair colour, appearance -- I don't see them extend to behaviour.
franki68 said:
AndStilliRise said:
1. I am neither a racist or anti semitic.
2. A Deity has the ability to do anything. So why not?
3. Again an assumption on the state of my mind.
4. You seem to be able to quote the Muslim holy book to defend israels position, however you seem to have missed out the part of being banished from land for being impatient?
5. Jewish people are impatient, they also seem to believe they are smarter than everyone else.
Being racist, or anti semitic (I accept there is a huge argument whether jews are a race, a religion, or both) doesn't have to use racially offensive language or indeed offensive language of any description. Assuming that all members of a specific race possess a certain set of characteristics or abilities is the very definition of racism.
I recall a program featuring Ron Atkinson and the black British athlete Tessa Sanderson. She told big Ron that actually, it was his prefacing the n-word with the word 'lazy' that caused the most offence to her, not the use of the n-word on it's own, as it was re-enforcing racial stereotypes of 'black people being lazy' that was inherently racist.
In fact the most dangerous type of racism is IMO where it does NOT use offensive language but instead is a statement made calmly, politely and eloquently, such as the 'point 5' above, because it's those types of statements that are more likely to be taken seriously and embed themselves into peoples' conscious/unconscious thoughts
Edited by jonby on Wednesday 17th December 14:59
Grumfutock said:
So you want UN troops in Palestine! Yea because last time they put troops in that part of the world it ended well didn't it! Never going to happen.
From memory, they're actually there at the moment! In places they've done well, in places dreadfully. But I only give it as another safeguard, should the Israelis want to use it.
Grumfutock said:
TheRealFingers99 said:
1. Yes. Fatah by the very act of signing the process. Hamas would be screwed, either by failing support, zapping by Fatah, or as I suggest, a UN force in the WB and Gaza in the interim.
Well I suspect that Fatah, PLO and all rest wont! http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/1...
BUT the fact remains that with the map of the ME being re-drawn as we speak, there's no better time than the present. 2 potential enemies (Syria and Iraq) are occupied elsewhere. Iran and Hezbollah are tied up in the conflict.
With a peace settlement, the "borders" between Israel and Palestine become less, rather than more, permeable.
Emergency Appeal for Sinjar and Rojava
TheRealFingers99 said:
I'm 100% sure that Israelis favouring the continuation of the Occupation will agree with you.
BUT the fact remains that with the map of the ME being re-drawn as we speak, there's no better time than the present. 2 potential enemies (Syria and Iraq) are occupied elsewhere. Iran and Hezbollah are tied up in the conflict.
With a peace settlement, the "borders" between Israel and Palestine become less, rather than more, permeable.
Emergency Appeal for Sinjar and Rojava
For the love of god! The PLO, Fatah and Hamas do not want a 2 state solution. They are not interested in it. It is not part of their agenda! They are openly saying this!! What part of that don't you get?BUT the fact remains that with the map of the ME being re-drawn as we speak, there's no better time than the present. 2 potential enemies (Syria and Iraq) are occupied elsewhere. Iran and Hezbollah are tied up in the conflict.
With a peace settlement, the "borders" between Israel and Palestine become less, rather than more, permeable.
Emergency Appeal for Sinjar and Rojava
Edited by Grumfutock on Wednesday 17th December 19:19
TheRealFingers99 said:
They'll take a 2 state solution.
Hell, I don't want a 2 state solution, but I'll take it if it means some sort of peace.
The ultra right press you're reading at the moment certainly don't want any solution, nor does Bibi.
Errr no, no they wont. They have repeatedly said they wont! Simple fact. Oh don't get me wrong I am sure they will take it for a month or two but then they will want some of Israel, then all of it. Even you cannot deny that, but why do I have a feeling your going to.Hell, I don't want a 2 state solution, but I'll take it if it means some sort of peace.
The ultra right press you're reading at the moment certainly don't want any solution, nor does Bibi.
TheRealFingers99 said:
So, return to the status quo either way? So, what do you have to loose?
EVERYTHING!!!!Pull back to the agreed Oslo borders and they want more, pull back to Israel's border they want more. Been done, didn't work then, wont work now! All it achieves is making more targets in range of their missiles.
Why they rejected the UN partition borders! They then rejected the post 48 war borders! They rejected them after 67! They rejected them after 73! Why? Because they keep attacking and keep getting their arses handed to them on a plate by Israel. I think they are embarrassed.
I really am at a lose as to why you seem to think it would be any different this time? They have all said, quite openly, that they would continue to attack Israel until she ceased to exist. "From the river to the sea"!
Why would any rational and sensible leader put his people into that situation?
I really am at a lose as to why you seem to think it would be any different this time? They have all said, quite openly, that they would continue to attack Israel until she ceased to exist. "From the river to the sea"!
Why would any rational and sensible leader put his people into that situation?
franki68 said:
what was that tax free thing on goods ? In those days the officers were driving round in ferraris and porsches (not the cleverest thing when the israelis knew they were taking bribes)when I asked why they told me they got them tax free.Holiday home on the beachfront in netanya,quite a cushy number.
I think there's a massive difference between bribery and tax-free purchases. So if an American serviceman at Menwith Hill can buy petrol with zero UK tax is he accepting bribes? And a serving officer would tell you openly that he accepts bribes?
Perhaps point to a report that documents said 'bribery' as if you 'know about it' then it's quite likely someone in authority knows about it and has written a report about it.
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