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JensenA said:
What difference does it make. They don't need to. They've surrounded it, closed off al entry and exit points, control what and who goes into it, and can shell, bomb, rocket attack it at will. The IDF are far too cowardly to occupy it.
You really have no other argument to make do you, you refuse to answer questions,
I don't like to speak for others, but I can't be the only person on here who just rolls their eyes and laughs at your posts, well laughs AT you in all honesty.
You are incapable of understanding WHY the Paleatinians have a greviance, you expect them all to meekly sit back and allow Israel to totally control them and subjugate them, continue to evict people who have lived in their homes for thousands of years and build settlements there.
So if a rocket hits a deserted potato patch totally destroying half a dozen potato plants, Israel is perfectly justified to fire accurate state of the art missiles into a residential area?
You justify everything that Israel does, in truth you are simply a bigoted racist who hates the "average brain washed Arab" (your description - it says it all really).
I find that I just roll my eyes at fingers posts, laugh and have an overwhelming urge to shout "parklife".You really have no other argument to make do you, you refuse to answer questions,
I don't like to speak for others, but I can't be the only person on here who just rolls their eyes and laughs at your posts, well laughs AT you in all honesty.
You are incapable of understanding WHY the Paleatinians have a greviance, you expect them all to meekly sit back and allow Israel to totally control them and subjugate them, continue to evict people who have lived in their homes for thousands of years and build settlements there.
So if a rocket hits a deserted potato patch totally destroying half a dozen potato plants, Israel is perfectly justified to fire accurate state of the art missiles into a residential area?
You justify everything that Israel does, in truth you are simply a bigoted racist who hates the "average brain washed Arab" (your description - it says it all really).
You really must lay off the plonk, Grum. It's severely damaging your memory. You've just been laying into me for (allegedly) arguing by meme and for using silly emoticons.
In the meantime, this girl still needs a blanket:
Emergency Appeal for Sinjar and Rojava
Her only "crime" is being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
In the meantime, this girl still needs a blanket:
Emergency Appeal for Sinjar and Rojava
Her only "crime" is being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
TheRealFingers99 said:
Not of Grum! He believes peace is impossible! Total conquest or nothing! (Mad as Ben-Gurion.) But look, and you'll see.
Peace is not impossible ,but its highly unlikely .Any attempt by the good guys on either side will be undermined by extremists on both sides .Grumfutock said:
No you are not!!! Utter lies!!!!!
Your are pro Israeli capitulation and surrender! You are pro Israel ceasing to exist!!!
Pro peace my arse!
Jesus Christ. I've started set out the steps for a peace. I've argued for a one-state solution (equal rights for all, a right of return for Palestinians, a right of residence for all Jews). I've stated that a 2 state solution would be acceptable. Your are pro Israeli capitulation and surrender! You are pro Israel ceasing to exist!!!
Pro peace my arse!
Now, neither of these proposals fit with your neo Fascist ultra Zionist view of the situation, but, comrade, that IS YOUR PROBLEM, no-one elses.
Lay off the pop for a couple of months and it will all become clearer. I promise.
Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Sunday 21st December 13:08
TheRealFingers99 said:
You really must lay off the plonk, Grum. It's severely damaging your memory. You've just been laying into me for (allegedly) arguing by meme and for using silly emoticons.
In the meantime, this girl still needs a blanket:
Emergency Appeal for Sinjar and Rojava
Her only "crime" is being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And that is relevant how? Perhaps she could ask Hamas to buy her one instead of spending all their aid money on weapons? Maybe she could ask Hamas to bring some through their tunnels instead of bombs? Could she ask Hamas to ask Iran to send some instead of rockets? In the meantime, this girl still needs a blanket:
Emergency Appeal for Sinjar and Rojava
Her only "crime" is being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Oh no, hang on she cant! She is a Yazidi girl from Sinjar in Iraq!!1 Couldn't you be bothered to even find a picture of a Palestinian girl?
Still arguing by meme I see, thank you for proving my point! Accuse then do the same yourself, typical arab action.
Edited by Grumfutock on Sunday 21st December 13:13
TheRealFingers99 said:
Jesus Christ. I've started set out the steps for a peace. I've argued for a one-state solution (equal rights for all, a right of return for Palestinians, a right of residence for all Jews). I've stated that a 2 state solution would be acceptable.
Now, neither of these proposals fit with your neo Fascist ultra Zionist view of the situation, but, comrade, that IS YOUR PROBLEM, no-one elses.
Lay off the pop for a couple of months and it will all become clearer. I promise.
but your suggestion of a one state solution is just from lah lah land ,in an ideal world it might work ,in the real world it wont.Now, neither of these proposals fit with your neo Fascist ultra Zionist view of the situation, but, comrade, that IS YOUR PROBLEM, no-one elses.
Lay off the pop for a couple of months and it will all become clearer. I promise.
2 state solution possibly ,but at the moment noone has a viable plan that pleases both sides,and there would be so much to overcome.I would hope its possible but I wont hold my breath.
franki68 said:
Peace is not impossible ,but its highly unlikely .Any attempt by the good guys on either side will be undermined by extremists on both sides .
They'll (almost) certainly try. I believe that the best chance lies with a bottom up approach. If (and where) Palestinians and Israelis meet and start to appreciate each other as people, there's a chance. (I believe that the fact that Shin Bet people actually meet Palestinians accounts for the "leftism" of their leadership.)
But there are entirely sane, entirely credible, Israelis and Palestinians who are prepared to give it a shot. All power to them.
Grumfutock said:
And that is relevant how? Perhaps she could ask Hamas to buy her one instead of spending all their aid money on weapons? Maybe she could ask Hamas to bring some through their tunnels instead of bombs? Could she ask Hamas to ask Iran to send some instead of rockets?
Oh no, hang on she cant! She is a Yazidi girl from Sinjar in Iraq!!1 Couldn't you be bothered to even find a picture of a Palestinian girl?
Still arguing by meme I see, thank you for proving my point! Accuse then do the same yourself, typical arab action.
You cretinous, bilious excuse for a human being. Oh no, hang on she cant! She is a Yazidi girl from Sinjar in Iraq!!1 Couldn't you be bothered to even find a picture of a Palestinian girl?
Still arguing by meme I see, thank you for proving my point! Accuse then do the same yourself, typical arab action.
Edited by Grumfutock on Sunday 21st December 13:13
As anyone who looks at the link will realise she isn't Palestinian. There's no trickery there. The collection isn't for Palestinian kids, but kids from Rojava and Sinjar.
You make me ashamed to be a human being. Really. You make even Daesh look good.
franki68 said:
but your suggestion of a one state solution is just from lah lah land ,in an ideal world it might work ,in the real world it wont.
2 state solution possibly ,but at the moment noone has a viable plan that pleases both sides,and there would be so much to overcome.I would hope its possible but I wont hold my breath.
It's still proposed by a good few utterly sane Israelis. It was even offered by the Americans, IIRC, as a solution prior to the Nakba. 2 state solution possibly ,but at the moment noone has a viable plan that pleases both sides,and there would be so much to overcome.I would hope its possible but I wont hold my breath.
The closest parallel I can come up with is the Rojava. Sounds like I'm forever condemned to repeat myself, BWTH, this is t'Interweb, not a book.
"Our struggle for liberty and democracy has continued for decades. But we have suffered from brutal oppression, genocide and ethnic cleansing since the beginning of the 20th century. Until recently, we have not had the chance to live a free and dignified life that is commensurate with our culture and values. However, following the radical changes in the Middle East, which led to the destabilisation of regional dictatorships, we have found a window of opportunity to organise our people and societies. We have tried to establish a democratic system that is compatible with our rich culture and diverse heritage in Mesopotamia. Our cultural and ethnic diversity is our pride. Our unity is our strength. Therefore, we aimed to unite all constituents of Rojava: Kurds, Arabs, Turkmen, Assyrians, Muslims, Yezidis and Christians, in order to establish a democratic system that coincides with our diversity. We also believe that this system can be a role model to follow not only in Syria, but in the entire Middle East. A system that consolidates unity while preserving ethnic and cultural diversity and differences."
Salih Muslim, Co-president of PYD to 11th EUTCC Conference [emphasis mine]
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Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Sunday 21st December 13:43
TheRealFingers99 said:
They'll (almost) certainly try.
I believe that the best chance lies with a bottom up approach. If (and where) Palestinians and Israelis meet and start to appreciate each other as people, there's a chance. (I believe that the fact that Shin Bet people actually meet Palestinians accounts for the "leftism" of their leadership.)
But there are entirely sane, entirely credible, Israelis and Palestinians who are prepared to give it a shot. All power to them.
there are plenty of normal israelis and palestinians who get along fine already,there have been many projects over the years unfortunately there are more on both sides who wont allow peace.I believe that the best chance lies with a bottom up approach. If (and where) Palestinians and Israelis meet and start to appreciate each other as people, there's a chance. (I believe that the fact that Shin Bet people actually meet Palestinians accounts for the "leftism" of their leadership.)
But there are entirely sane, entirely credible, Israelis and Palestinians who are prepared to give it a shot. All power to them.
franki68 said:
there are plenty of normal israelis and palestinians who get along fine already,there have been many projects over the years unfortunately there are more on both sides who wont allow peace.
But there need to be more. It's a relatively rare thing for a Jew not living in a Palestinian neighbourhood (and the very act of doing so makes life much more complex -- you may well find that you simply cannot get home one night, for example) to even meet a Palestinian socially. Leftists don't call it an apartheid state without reason! TheRealFingers99 said:
You make me ashamed to be a human being. Really. You make even Daesh look good.
Good the exit is over there, please feel free to use it and cease being one! Although I don't even see you as such, I place my dog higher than you on the evolution tree. Racist, fundamentalist anti-Semite.Oh and Happy Christmas!
Grumfutock said:
Good the exit is over there, please feel free to use it and cease being one! Although I don't even see you as such, I place my dog higher than you on the evolution tree. Racist, fundamentalist anti-Semite.
I'm sorry Grum, but it is you that have been making fun of RealFingers all along implying that he is an "arab." After your rant a few days ago; you can't differentiate between opposing the actions of Israel and being an anti-semite. You're the one bemoaning Hamas violence, but justifying Israeli violence whereas Realfingers is condoning both. You want the destruction of Palestine as you think that is the only way towards peace, whilst he is wanting a peaceful solution where both sides can exist peacefully. You have zero critical reasoning skills and I really think you need to look in the mirror or learn a few new tricks from your dog...You have a miserable existence, it comes across, but take your anger out on someone else.
zuby84 said:
I'm sorry Grum, but it is you that have been making fun of RealFingers all along implying that he is an "arab." After your rant a few days ago; you can't differentiate between opposing the actions of Israel and being an anti-semite. You're the one bemoaning Hamas violence, but justifying Israeli violence whereas Realfingers is condoning both. You want the destruction of Palestine as you think that is the only way towards peace, whilst he is wanting a peaceful solution where both sides can exist peacefully. You have zero critical reasoning skills and I really think you need to look in the mirror or learn a few new tricks from your dog...
You have a miserable existence, it comes across, but take your anger out on someone else.
3 points there me old mate:You have a miserable existence, it comes across, but take your anger out on someone else.
1. Fake Finger does not want peace. He wants Israel to surrender everything she has to the Arabs. MASSIVE difference!
2. I don't imply that fake finger is an arab. I have no idea of he ethnic origin. He claims to be a jewish gypsy. I will bring into doubt his political beliefs. He is a anti semite that wants Israel to disappear and a supporter of terrorist groups. Simple as that. He cant deny it although why do I think he will try.
3. My existence is wonderful thank you for asking. I have a great wife, kids, wonderful and exciting job. So not sure where you think I am unhappy, angry or miserable? How is your life?
zuby84 said:
Grumfutock said:
Good the exit is over there, please feel free to use it and cease being one! Although I don't even see you as such, I place my dog higher than you on the evolution tree. Racist, fundamentalist anti-Semite.
I'm sorry Grum, but it is you that have been making fun of RealFingers all along implying that he is an "arab." After your rant a few days ago; you can't differentiate between opposing the actions of Israel and being an anti-semite. You're the one bemoaning Hamas violence, but justifying Israeli violence whereas Realfingers is condoning both. You want the destruction of Palestine as you think that is the only way towards peace, whilst he is wanting a peaceful solution where both sides can exist peacefully. You have zero critical reasoning skills and I really think you need to look in the mirror or learn a few new tricks from your dog....
You will, or should, be ashamed of yourself when you look back at your posts. You are quite open in your hatred of Arabs, if one was to substitute the word 'Arab' for 'Black' in May of your posts, you would be in trouble, and I'm surprised that thus far you have managed to get away with it.
I do not think any one on here is anti-Semite, you simply accuse those who have some sympathy with the way the Palestinians are being treated by the Israelis, as anti Semite. Totally wrong, we would all be sympathetic to the Israelis if an all powerful Palestinian state had total control of the Israeli nation, and the positions were reversed. You accused me of being the biggest racist on PH, on what grounds? Simply because I stated I have sympathy for an oppressed nation. That makes me racist does it?
Your posts are becoming increasingly irrelevant, and will probably lead to this thread being closed down. You are blatantly pro Israeli, and your pro Israeli stance seems to be worryingly justified by your hatred of 'Arabs' which is manifested in your derogatory remarks about Arabs. You don't say 'Palestinians' you say 'Arabs'. That is racist.
Personally I have had enough of your rantings, and puerile childish insults, you make no useful contribution to this thread, your views and opinions are set in stone, and nothing will change them, and it is this extremist attitude, from both sides, that perpetuates the problem.
Israel is a powerful country and can quite easily soak up a few rockets landing in potato fields, whilst they give 'something' to the Palestinian people, show them some respect, and they will gradually begin to trust Israel, turn against the extremists in Hammas, and gradually live in peace with each other.
We didn't destroy the IRA, or subjugate the Catholics, we talked, listened and implemented changes to ensure peace, and it worked. I'm sure McGuiness and Adams still have the dream of a united Ireland, but to their credit, they accept the situation as it is.
I do not think any one on here is anti-Semite, you simply accuse those who have some sympathy with the way the Palestinians are being treated by the Israelis, as anti Semite. Totally wrong, we would all be sympathetic to the Israelis if an all powerful Palestinian state had total control of the Israeli nation, and the positions were reversed. You accused me of being the biggest racist on PH, on what grounds? Simply because I stated I have sympathy for an oppressed nation. That makes me racist does it?
Your posts are becoming increasingly irrelevant, and will probably lead to this thread being closed down. You are blatantly pro Israeli, and your pro Israeli stance seems to be worryingly justified by your hatred of 'Arabs' which is manifested in your derogatory remarks about Arabs. You don't say 'Palestinians' you say 'Arabs'. That is racist.
Personally I have had enough of your rantings, and puerile childish insults, you make no useful contribution to this thread, your views and opinions are set in stone, and nothing will change them, and it is this extremist attitude, from both sides, that perpetuates the problem.
Israel is a powerful country and can quite easily soak up a few rockets landing in potato fields, whilst they give 'something' to the Palestinian people, show them some respect, and they will gradually begin to trust Israel, turn against the extremists in Hammas, and gradually live in peace with each other.
We didn't destroy the IRA, or subjugate the Catholics, we talked, listened and implemented changes to ensure peace, and it worked. I'm sure McGuiness and Adams still have the dream of a united Ireland, but to their credit, they accept the situation as it is.
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