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[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

Are you not British? How can the ideals I fought for not be "your ideals" then?

According to you, I'm an Arab! My ideals are little to do with being British, although this isn't, by any means, a bad place to live. As I pointed out earlier, I simply don't believe that the nation state is something I'd stand behind. There are much more important things than the accident of birth, than nationality, than race.

I repeat:

The question is, did you lie about it?

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 23 December 19:50

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Grumfutock said:

Are you not British? How can the ideals I fought for not be "your ideals" then?

According to you, I'm an Arab! My ideals are little to do with being British, although this isn't, by any means, a bad place to live. As I pointed out earlier, I simply don't believe that the nation state is something I'd stand behind. There are much more important things than the accident of birth, than nationality, than race.

I repeat:

The question is, did you lie about it?

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Tuesday 23 December 19:50

And once again kindly quote WHERE I have said you are an Arab???? Once again and this really is a recurring theme isn't it, put up or shut up. I think you really should quit misrepresenting what people have written, I have quoted for you my last statement on this. Just so you don't confuse anyone with your usual smoke screen, half truths and lies. You lie like an Hamas peace treaty.

This was from yesterday:

Grumfutock said:

I don't imply that fake finger is an arab. I have no idea of he ethnic origin. He claims to be a jewish gypsy. I will bring into doubt his political beliefs. He is a anti semite that wants Israel to disappear and a supporter of terrorist groups. Simple as that. He cant deny it although why do I think he will try.

So you don't stand behind the core ideals and values of HM Armed Forces? Let me list them, you may want to rethink your silly and crass statement.

1. Selfless Commitment.
2. Courage.
3. Discipline.
4. Integrity.
5. Loyalty.
6. Respect for others.

Edited by Grumfutock on Tuesday 23 December 21:40

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

So you don't stand behind the core ideals and values of HM Armed Forces? Let me list them, you may want to rethink your silly and crass statement.

1. Selfless Commitment.
2. Courage.
3. Discipline.
4. Integrity.
5. Loyalty.
6. Respect for others.

These are British values? I'd point out that they're also the values of the Russian Army, the Brazilian Army, the French Foreign Legion. The IDF would probably claim to hold them. As would Hezbollah, the PKK, YPG, all the Government factions in the Spanish Civil War and so on, and on. Not a bad set of values, some Armies fulfil them better than others. But this gets us no-where. An army is just an extension of the state, or party, it represents.

The FAI or YPG more closely represent my core beliefs than HM armed forces.

TheRealFingers99 said:

Grumfutock said:

Alpinestars said:

You sound a bit rattled Private.

Yea because after 22 years that's what I was!

So, I was wrong to promote you to Corporal?

You claimed a higher rank than Corporal. Question is, were you lying? Answer the question.

[Grumfutock]

So no comment on the Arab allegation then? Shall I assume that you have chosen the shut up option over the put up one? I wont hold my breath for an apology.

Some how I don't think that Hezbollah, PPK, Russian Army or any the rest you quote has the same values and standards as the British Army. Certainly not the Legion, they have a completely different set which I can quote if you wish.

As for the FAI or YPG, could you state their values and standards or provide a link for me please. I assume they have a documented code like the HM forces you seem to dislike.

Personally I think you are sort of fantasist idealist who wishes he had done something bold in his life like fight for the PLO in Beirut in the 80's or in Syria now but never really had the balls or moral courage. You just stay in your comfy little life and take easy side swipes at the establishment.

[TheRealFingers99]

Problem is -- and I did try a search -- that "Arab" just throws up too many results. When I have the time, I'll trudge through page by page. For the moment I have to go and do last minute Xmas shopping.

The YPG is the defence force of the Rojava Cantons. For their standards, see http://civiroglu.net/the-constitution-of-the-rojav... For the FAI see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federaci%C3%B3n_Anarq...

But you miss -- as always -- the point. Were the UK to democratically elect a Fascist Government with an overwhelming majority, HM Armed Forces would not change their code of conduct one jot. It would'nt include "execute every remaining Leftist and Democrat in the land". But that's precisely what they'd be tasked with doing!

Yes, I'm extremely pissed off that I'm not 20 years younger and in better health, or I'd be off to the Rojava. Maybe I can get over there and help with the reconstruction. I've never been a great PLO fan boy.

But, again

TheRealFingers99 said:

TheRealFingers99 said:

Grumfutock said:

Alpinestars said:

You sound a bit rattled Private.

Yea because after 22 years that's what I was!

So, I was wrong to promote you to Corporal?

You claimed a higher rank than Corporal. Question is, were you lying? Answer the question.

So much for your honour code.

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Problem is -- and I did try a search -- that "Arab" just throws up too many results. When I have the time, I'll trudge through page by page. For the moment I have to go and do last minute Xmas shopping.

The YPG is the defence force of the Rojava Cantons. For their standards, see http://civiroglu.net/the-constitution-of-the-rojav... For the FAI see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federaci%C3%B3n_Anarq...

But you miss -- as always -- the point. Were the UK to democratically elect a Fascist Government with an overwhelming majority, HM Armed Forces would not change their code of conduct one jot. It would'nt include "execute every remaining Leftist and Democrat in the land". But that's precisely what they'd be tasked with doing!

Yes, I'm extremely pissed off that I'm not 20 years younger and in better health, or I'd be off to the Rojava. Maybe I can get over there and help with the reconstruction. I've never been a great PLO fan boy.

But, again,

TheRealFingers99 said:

Grumfutock said:

Alpinestars said:

You sound a bit rattled Private.

Yea because after 22 years that's what I was!

So, I was wrong to promote you to Corporal?

You claimed a higher rank than Corporal. Question is, were you lying? Answer the question.

So much for your honour code.

To answer your question regarding rank. Yes. I wouldn't of been much of a soldier to only reach that rank after 22 years now would I.

Both those links are meaningless. The first is not a link to the YPG. A bit like me putting up a link to the labour manifesto and passing it off as the code for the Army.
The second one doesn't say anything about a code or ideals or standards other than membership is secret. Please try again.
As usual your post is deflective and avoiding the issue and questions asked. One is a group of people in Syria the other an anarchist secret group that really ceased to have any function since the death of Franco.

I am not surprised that you post a link to an anarchist group though, as I said you are one of those fantasists that wished they had done something in their lives but never really had the balls to break out of their comfy little life.

By all means go back a check every single one of the 416 pages for where I call you an Arab. Find it and post it, if not apologies for lying!!! REAL SIMPLE! I wont wait up.

[PZR]

11th Dec:

Grumfutock said:

But again, please don't try to see this from neutral eyes, just carry on seeing it from your Arabic, biased and blind ones.

[Grumfutock]

PZR said:

11th Dec:

Grumfutock said:

But again, please don't try to see this from neutral eyes, just carry on seeing it from your Arabic, biased and blind ones.

And does that call him Arabic? Not it says he sees things through their eyes, from their viewpoint.

Nice try but sorry FAIL.

[PZR]

Grumfutock said:

And does that call him Arabic?

Yes.

[Grumfutock]

PZR said:

Grumfutock said:

And does that call him Arabic?

Yes.

The correct answer you were looking for there was no.

But now let us read the FULL post for the sake of clarity shall we. I say that doesn't call him Arabic it say he looks at things like an Arab because he sympathises with them. I could also of said Muslim. As it says "don't try to see this from neutral eyes"

Grumfutock said:

TheRealFingers99 said:

The Tomlinson case raised huge doubts about the system. Many would say that the cop should have been charged with murder/manslaughter.

But we aren't talking about doubts or anything else. You have accused the IDF of murder! Simple and utterly unambiguously! So again, was Ian Tomlinson murdered?

TheRealFingers99 said:

I can't find any cases -- it defeats google search! -- but consult a lawyer. Manslaughter or muder are likely verdicts. And watch the news!

So yet another example of you making stuff up then! Typical scare tactics and rabble rousing, as I have highlighted before. It would be impossible for any doctor to say with any certainty that an attack is what caused the heart attack, simple fact!

TheRealFingers99 said:

Was it a mugging? In the sense of an attempt at robbery, no. It was certainly unwarranted thuggery, and by no means atypical. It's the kind of behaviour Shalom highlighted.

Bearing in mind the recent tension, war and attacks (stabbings) I think the soldiers acted with restraint. You obviously have never been in that situation, it is very frightening and you feel very threatened. It was not "unwarranted thuggery" in any way. shape or form. The soldier pushed him a couple of times and grabbed his neck, hardly likely to cause fatal injuries or even a bruise!

But again, please don't try to see this from neutral eyes, just carry on seeing it from your Arabic, biased and blind ones.

[Slaav]

Grumfutock said:

PZR said:

11th Dec:

Grumfutock said:

But again, please don't try to see this from neutral eyes, just carry on seeing it from your Arabic, biased and blind ones.

And does that call him Arabic? Not it says he sees things through their eyes, from their viewpoint.

Nice try but sorry FAIL.

One could argue (possibly) either way!

"just carry on seeing it from your Arabic, biased and blind ones." Reads to me that you are calling him an Arab....

"just carry on seeing it from your Arabic biased and blind ones." Reads that he has Arabic biased views?

Also, I'm pretty sure you have called him by a few Arab 'monikers'? I may be wrong but that is my recollection!

'Fingers, may I suggest that we all try and be less 'personal' as all that ends up doing is making things 4rsey and very pointed which eventually and inevitably takes things way off on tangents?

And back to useful points about the conflict or has this thread run its course?

Lastly, any guess on the number of issues, bombs, rockets etc that we see over the Xmas period? Unfortunately it feels inevitable to me

(Yes, I know - but the World will be watching so it makes sense to kick off doesn't it?)

[Grumfutock]

Slaav said:

One could argue (possibly) either way!

"just carry on seeing it from your Arabic, biased and blind ones." Reads to me that you are calling him an Arab....

"just carry on seeing it from your Arabic biased and blind ones." Reads that he has Arabic biased views?

Also, I'm pretty sure you have called him by a few Arab 'monikers'? I may be wrong but that is my recollection!

'Fingers, may I suggest that we all try and be less 'personal' as all that ends up doing is making things 4rsey and very pointed which eventually and inevitably takes things way off on tangents?

And back to useful points about the conflict or has this thread run its course?

Lastly, any guess on the number of issues, bombs, rockets etc that we see over the Xmas period? Unfortunately it feels inevitable to me

(Yes, I know - but the World will be watching so it makes sense to kick off doesn't it?)

My point entirely and I know what context I wrote it in. His views are very much Arabic.
Re the "Arab 'monikers'" he has also called me Julie, is he inferring I am a girl called Julie? For that matter he has also called me some Jewish 'monikers', newsflash, I am not Jewish!

[franki68]

y'all need to take a chill pill,or meet up and sort it out the old fashioned way.

its an emotive subject,but really the name calling and the rest is boring.Move on or start a personal insult thread.

[TheRealFingers99]

Pistols at 10 paces?

I'm up for it!

Presumably Grum has a couple of pistols knocking about (I'm fresh out).

You miss the point Grum. A army is nothing more than the extension of a state, or political party. Regardless of it's own "private" code, it does what it's told. I think Clausewitz says something like "War is an extension of Politics".

I'm happy to forget the insults and go back to discussion. Deal?

Let's see who breaks the truce first!

[Grumfutock]

In the spirit of Christmas I agree. Football in no mans land?

[TheRealFingers99]

Standing 1/4 mile? (In cars -- I'm too old to run that far!)

[Alpinestars]

Grumfutock said:

PZR said:

11th Dec:

Grumfutock said:

But again, please don't try to see this from neutral eyes, just carry on seeing it from your Arabic, biased and blind ones.

And does that call him Arabic? Not it says he sees things through their eyes, from their viewpoint.

Nice try but sorry FAIL.

A comprehension lesson for you Private. What you wrote means he has Arab eyes which implies that you think he is Arab. If you meant to say from an Arabic viewpoint the correct grammar would have been:

But again, please don't try to see this from neutral eyes, just carry on seeing it from your Arabic biased, and blind ones.
Got it?

[Grumfutock]

Alpinestars said:

A comprehension lesson for you Private. What you wrote means he has Arab eyes which implies that you think he is Arab. If you meant to say from an Arabic viewpoint the correct grammar would have been:

But again, please don't try to see this from neutral eyes, just carry on seeing it from your Arabic biased, and blind ones.
Got it?

Oh dear, and again the troll cant be bothered to read back a page or two, very lazy. Keep on trolling. I hope Santa misses your house.

[anonymous-user]

Grumfutock said:

... I hope Santa misses your house.

You stoop to a new low, you bd!

[Grumfutock]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I am a bad man, what can I say! But some people just like to troll and keep things stirred up.