Israeli

[Mermaid]

Countdown said:

Prior to 1947 was there a country called Israel?

Pakistan

[Grumfutock]

Countdown said:

Prior to 1947 was there a country called Israel?

No but apparently that doesn't prevent endless referencing to them but it does to Arabs pre 47!

[Countdown]

Grumfutock said:

Countdown said:

Prior to 1947 was there a country called Israel?

No but apparently that doesn't prevent endless referencing to them but it does to Arabs pre 47!

And that place that Israel now occupies....could it be possible that there were people already living there? People who didn't want to live in a Jewish state?

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Were -- here I'm thinking 1947/8.

Yes, committed by (some) Muslims now. The West responds by bombing the carp out of them and arming (some of) the Kurds (wrong faction, but, hey....) and re-arming the Iraqis.

Compare 1947/8 with ISIS campaign. Israel/Zionists as ISIS. Racists as Jihadis.

Compare Arab attempted campaign on 1948 with ISIS! EXACTLY the same, eradication!

[dudleybloke]

If the Jews wanted a homeland after WW2 they should have been given Austria.

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

TheRealFingers99 said:

Were -- here I'm thinking 1947/8.

Of course you were!

The selective quote?

But, heval, compare the Zionist/Israel 1947/8 campaign with ISIS current campaign. Note the similarities. One side racist, the other Jihadist.

[Grumfutock]

Countdown said:

Grumfutock said:

Countdown said:

Prior to 1947 was there a country called Israel?

No but apparently that doesn't prevent endless referencing to them but it does to Arabs pre 47!

And that place that Israel now occupies....could it be possible that there were people already living there? People who didn't want to live in a Jewish state?

Possibly so why did they sell land to the Jews then?.

However it was the farcical and illustrious UN, Britain and the rest of the 'civilised' world that created Israel.

Arabs and Jews have been fighting there for years before FFS. Long before any mention of a home nation for them.

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

Compare Arab attempted campaign on 1948 with ISIS! EXACTLY the same, eradication!

Who started first? Why, it was those nice Zionists! Seems some of the victims of the Shoah wanted to re-enact it! Again, a one state solution was offered, but the Zionists rejected it.

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

The selective quote?

But, heval, compare the Zionist/Israel 1947/8 campaign with ISIS current campaign. Note the similarities. One side racist, the other Jihadist.

Ah back to the name calling is it? OK, no problem. You want to break the truce because you have made your self look foolish then fine. But remember, you fired the 1st shot Habibi!

Note the ISIS campaign with the Arab 1948 attack. One side anti sematic, racist murderers the other fighting for survival. But why am I wasting these words on you and your revisionist views.


Masaa' al-khayr Habibi.

[skyrover]

dudleybloke said:

I don't see how European Jews have the right to take part of the middle east.

Its a bit like saying as iv got blond hair I should be given Scandinavia.

Erm... the Jews and Arab's are genetically nigh on identical. They are the same people, separated by culture and religion.

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

Possibly so why did they sell land to the Jews then?.

For money? Very little land was actually sold. I'd guess that those who sold it (assuming that, unlike the recent case, the deeds were not forged!) made the assumption that Jew and Arab could live -- as they had -- in relative peace.

Grumfutock said:

However it was the farcical and illustrious UN, Britain and the rest of the 'civilised' world that created Israel.

Indeed. But Israel stole -- already, in '48 --far more than the UN decreed. Israel repaid the UNs kindness by breaking the record for the number of resolutions breached. Nice.

Grumfutock said:

Arabs and Jews have been fighting there for years before FFS. Long before any mention of a home nation for them.

But there are also many examples of Jews and Arabs living in harmony.

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Grumfutock said:

Possibly so why did they sell land to the Jews then?.

For money? Very little land was actually sold. I'd guess that those who sold it (assuming that, unlike the recent case, the deeds were not forged!) made the assumption that Jew and Arab could live -- as they had -- in relative peace.

Grumfutock said:

However it was the farcical and illustrious UN, Britain and the rest of the 'civilised' world that created Israel.

Indeed. But Israel stole -- already, in '48 --far more than the UN decreed. Israel repaid the UNs kindness by breaking the record for the number of resolutions breached. Nice.

Grumfutock said:

Arabs and Jews have been fighting there for years before FFS. Long before any mention of a home nation for them.

But there are also many examples of Jews and Arabs living in harmony.

1. Please back up your wild accusations with figures. How much was stolen? How much was sold? How many deeds were forged?

2. After Arab attacks from 36 onwards? YES!

3. Correct, but usually when the Arab is in the ascendancy and the Jew is the 2nd class citizen.

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

Ah back to the name calling is it? OK, no problem. You want to break the truce because you have made your self look foolish then fine. But remember, you fired the 1st shot Habibi!

What name calling? Either you're referring to me calling Zionism racist (which it clearly is, by definition) or to "heval" which can variously be interpreted as friend, travelling companion, or comrade. Conversely, calling me "habibi" -- "darling" -- puts some doubt on your sexual proclivities.

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Grumfutock said:

Ah back to the name calling is it? OK, no problem. You want to break the truce because you have made your self look foolish then fine. But remember, you fired the 1st shot Habibi!

What name calling? Either you're referring to me calling Zionism racist (which it clearly is, by definition) or to "heval" which can variously be interpreted as friend, travelling companion, or comrade. Conversely, calling me "habibi" -- "darling" -- puts some doubt on your sexual proclivities.

Well I am neither Kurdish, your friend, comrade and we sure as hell ain't travelling any where!

[Grumfutock]

Oh and Habibi never has any sexual connotations, it is the same as calling somebody honey! But you knew that anyway.

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

1. Please back up your wild accusations with figures. How much was stolen? How much was sold? How many deeds were forged?

In the most recent Amona case, the deeds were forged. The Israeli High Court declared them so. Seems it may be an old, old trick: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/05/i... But, if you like, let's assume that all this is horlicks.

Jews owned 3% rising to 7% in early 1947.

Grumfutock said:

2. After Arab attacks from 36 onwards? YES!

I don't get you.

Grumfutock said:

3. Correct, but usually when the Arab is in the ascendancy and the Jew is the 2nd class citizen.

As I pointed out, absolute equality was offered in a one state solution. In any event, what evidence is there of Jews being second class citizens prior to partition?

[TheRealFingers99]

Grumfutock said:

Well I am neither Kurdish, your friend, comrade and we sure as hell ain't travelling any where!

We are surely both travelling along this dusty old road, heval. El Harrachi:

"Ya rayah win msafar trouh taaya wa twali
Chhal nadmou laabad el ghaflin qablak ou qabli Ya rayah win msafar trouh taaya wa twali
Chhal nadmou laabad el ghaflin qablak ou qabli"

I prefer Taha's version

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUDKfK3R42Q

Sorry about the ad.

Peace

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Friday 9th January 18:39

Edited by TheRealFingers99 on Friday 9th January 18:51

[Grumfutock]

TheRealFingers99 said:

Grumfutock said:

1. Please back up your wild accusations with figures. How much was stolen? How much was sold? How many deeds were forged?

In the most recent Amona case, the deeds were forged. The Israeli High Court declared them so. Seems it may be an old, old trick: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/05/i... But, if you like, let's assume that all this is horlicks.

Jews owned 3% rising to 7% in early 1947.

Grumfutock said:

2. After Arab attacks from 36 onwards? YES!

I don't get you.

Grumfutock said:

3. Correct, but usually when the Arab is in the ascendancy and the Jew is the 2nd class citizen.

As I pointed out, absolute equality was offered in a one state solution. In any event, what evidence is there of Jews being second class citizens prior to partition?

1. Again you were not talking about now, you were talking pre 1948! Cases and examples please! Or should we assume that you are now just making wild and made up accusations to suit your revisionist historical view? What am I saying? You have been doing that for months!

2. I was referring to your other accusation that the Jews stole far more than the UN had granted them.

3. WHAT? You said: "But there are also many examples of Jews and Arabs living in harmony." Where are these 'examples' then? You said they DID, not they might in a proposal! And why would the Jew trust an Arab now? 70 years has taught Israel one thing: Never, ever believe an Arab when he says all he wants is peace! People judge by deeds and the Arab world has, repeatedly, shown itself to lie on this matter!

[LucreLout]

Ultimately, if there can't be peace between Israel and Palestine, and the ongoing feud is going to keep inspiring terrorists like we've seen in France this week, then logically there can only be Israel or Palestine, not both.
Pro rata those in the west bank and Gaza strip between all the muslim nations and relocate them. Within 3 generations the issue is forgotten.
Israel has nukes so pragmatically can't be made to leave and there are no other majority Jewish countries into which they could be integrated.
It'll not be popular, but then there isn't any other solution that would be.

[Grumfutock]

LucreLout said:

Ultimately, if there can't be peace between Israel and Palestine, and the ongoing feud is going to keep inspiring terrorists like we've seen in France this week, then logically there can only be Israel or Palestine, not both.
Pro rata those in the west bank and Gaza strip between all the muslim nations and relocate them. Within 3 generations the issue is forgotten.
Israel has nukes so pragmatically can't be made to leave and there are no other majority Jewish countries into which they could be integrated.
It'll not be popular, but then there isn't any other solution that would be.

Sadly I came to that conclusion a long time ago. Far to much water has passed under the bridge now and there can never be peace, not in our life times anyway.