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No Bend said:
Simon Simon Simon, that's the point. It's David V. Goliath. One side has homemade bombs and knives, the other has all the fancy weapons. There's those amongst the settlers who are as mental as a right wing extremist can be.
You can't have a rational argument if you can't see both side of the picture.
there's an old adage..You can't have a rational argument if you can't see both side of the picture.
what do you call a gorilla with a machinegun? Sir!
and do not kick him in the nuts.
if israel were not armed to the teeth, just how many hours would you give them before they were wiped out?
you think if the positions were reversed, it would been the same?
Sersily, you have to be mentally deficent not to understand the basic conflict here.
Yes, there are plenty of nut-job settlers, and yes, they need to be reined in, BUT even they are not firing rockets into Palestinian area's or running about stabbing people at random.
Scuffers said:
there's an old adage..
what do you call a gorilla with a machinegun? Sir!
and do not kick him in the nuts.
if israel were not armed to the teeth, just how many hours would you give them before they were wiped out?
you think if the positions were reversed, it would been the same?
Sersily, you have to be mentally deficent not to understand the basic conflict here.
Yes, there are plenty of nut-job settlers, and yes, they need to be reined in, BUT even they are not firing rockets into Palestinian area's or running about stabbing people at random.
Don't be simple Simon, the settlers get up to all sorts of nastiness. Setting people alight in their homes or after kidnapping them? No never. Sniping them off randomly? No never.what do you call a gorilla with a machinegun? Sir!
and do not kick him in the nuts.
if israel were not armed to the teeth, just how many hours would you give them before they were wiped out?
you think if the positions were reversed, it would been the same?
Sersily, you have to be mentally deficent not to understand the basic conflict here.
Yes, there are plenty of nut-job settlers, and yes, they need to be reined in, BUT even they are not firing rockets into Palestinian area's or running about stabbing people at random.
Go and do some reading on the 'price tag' attacks.
Edited by No Bend on Sunday 18th October 13:56
No Bend said:
Don't be simple Simon, the settlers get up to all sorts of nastiness. Setting people alight in their homes or after kidnapping them? No never. Sniping them off randomly? No never.
Go and do some reading on the 'price tag' attacks.
yes, I am sure there are a few, the big difference is they are a few, and they are not the government.Go and do some reading on the 'price tag' attacks.
That would be like saying because we have some home made nut-jobs here going and joining ISIS, the UK government are a bunch of terrorist nut-jobs.
FFS get some sense of proportion.
Scuffers said:
yes, I am sure there are a few, the big difference is they are a few, and they are not the government.
That would be like saying because we have some home made nut-jobs here going and joining ISIS, the UK government are a bunch of terrorist nut-jobs.
FFS get some sense of proportion.
Simon, the ones firing the bodgy rockets and stabbing random israelis are not the government either.That would be like saying because we have some home made nut-jobs here going and joining ISIS, the UK government are a bunch of terrorist nut-jobs.
FFS get some sense of proportion.
FFS get some sense of proportion.
No Bend said:
Simon, the ones firing the bodgy rockets and stabbing random israelis are not the government either.
FFS get some sense of proportion.
come again?FFS get some sense of proportion.
Hamas are the government are they not?
They are the ones firing rockets are they not?
are you blind, gullible or just plain stupid?
No Bend said:
Some would probably like to do just that, but the world watches so they can't. Would be all sorts of name calling and comparisons to past happenings. There's lots of centre faction israelis who are disgusted by what goes on over there, but they are harassed and their voices made quiet.
Sorry but what are you talking about ? who is harrassed and made to keep quiet ? There's tons of human rights groups and the press is as free as anywhere and you have the likes of ha'aretz.When that baby was burned by the settler a few months ago there were big marches across israel protesting against it.
franki68 said:
Sorry but what are you talking about ? who is harrassed and made to keep quiet ? There's tons of human rights groups and the press is as free as anywhere and you have the likes of ha'aretz.
When that baby was burned by the settler a few months ago there were big marches across israel protesting against it.
Hey hey hey, cut that out, scuffers says that sort of thing never happens. The press has a lot of restriction there don't be blind. Lots of moderate voiced israelis are shouted down as 'self loathing' if they dare criticise the actions of the hard liners. When that baby was burned by the settler a few months ago there were big marches across israel protesting against it.
I give up.
No Bend said:
Hey hey hey, cut that out, scuffers says that sort of thing never happens. The press has a lot of restriction there don't be blind. Lots of moderate voiced israelis are shouted down as 'self loathing' if they dare criticise the actions of the hard liners.
I give up.
No , I think you are confusing 'moderate voiced israelis' with some israelis who lie ,and profiteer enormously from doing so.The settlers are not popular amongst most israeli folk.I give up.
I assume from your posts you have never actually been and your comments are based on stuff you have read ?
Indeed... turn the tables and the Palestinians would wipe the Israeli's from the face of the earth.
Unfortunately Islam does not tolerate the existence of Israel.
The only way I can see things working is a third party with enough firepower to rain hell on them both, keeping them apart at arms length.
Unfortunately Islam does not tolerate the existence of Israel.
The only way I can see things working is a third party with enough firepower to rain hell on them both, keeping them apart at arms length.
skyrover said:
Indeed... turn the tables and the Palestinians would wipe the Israeli's from the face of the earth.
Unfortunately Islam does not tolerate the existence of Israel.
The only way I can see things working is a third party with enough firepower to rain hell on them both, keeping them apart at arms length.
yup the problem with that though is whoever takes it on will just become the next target for the nut-jobs.Unfortunately Islam does not tolerate the existence of Israel.
The only way I can see things working is a third party with enough firepower to rain hell on them both, keeping them apart at arms length.
Scuffers said:
skyrover said:
Indeed... turn the tables and the Palestinians would wipe the Israeli's from the face of the earth.
Unfortunately Islam does not tolerate the existence of Israel.
The only way I can see things working is a third party with enough firepower to rain hell on them both, keeping them apart at arms length.
yup the problem with that though is whoever takes it on will just become the next target for the nut-jobs.Unfortunately Islam does not tolerate the existence of Israel.
The only way I can see things working is a third party with enough firepower to rain hell on them both, keeping them apart at arms length.
Some Gump said:
Lol, there are some PHers that can argue with complete conviction from a position of complete knowledge on virtually any subject. Either these individuals make Stephen Fry look badly informed, or they're really just spouting b
ks 90% of the time..
Amazes me ,some seem to be experts on sociology,philosophy,economics,politics,history,worldwide politics and conflicts ,all sporting matters and cars .ks 90% of the time..What I call google warriors,you can literally look up and argue anything.
franki68 said:
Some Gump said:
Lol, there are some PHers that can argue with complete conviction from a position of complete knowledge on virtually any subject. Either these individuals make Stephen Fry look badly informed, or they're really just spouting bks 90% of the time..
Amazes me ,some seem to be experts on sociology,philosophy,economics,politics,history,worldwide politics and conflicts ,all sporting matters and cars .ks 90% of the time..What I call google warriors,you can literally look up and argue anything.
Plenty of them on PistonHeads.
They are easy to spot.
whoami said:
franki68 said:
Some Gump said:
Lol, there are some PHers that can argue with complete conviction from a position of complete knowledge on virtually any subject. Either these individuals make Stephen Fry look badly informed, or they're really just spouting bks 90% of the time..
Amazes me ,some seem to be experts on sociology,philosophy,economics,politics,history,worldwide politics and conflicts ,all sporting matters and cars .ks 90% of the time..What I call google warriors,you can literally look up and argue anything.
Plenty of them on PistonHeads.
They are easy to spot.
I (however
) don't feel that the admission above negates my opinion as sometimes perception is more important than fact. It shouldn't normally be but.....So, my point is that I have 'googled' occasionally (and on this thread) when despite my modern history, all of the articles, a few books and many documentaries still don't clarify everything properly to my own (sometimes) analytical mind!
What I do have issues with is what I PERCEIVE to be blinkered views and one sided arguments. One could say that the analogy is similar (being an analogy) to the actual conflict itself? Extreme nutjobs and rabble rousers (ON BOTH SIDES) often mean that the ability and opportunity for reasoned discussion and debate is lost.
It is often the slightly one sided (but still clearly open to views and discussions) that are the people to listen to! As in life....
No Bend said:
Scuffers said:
skyrover said:
Indeed... turn the tables and the Palestinians would wipe the Israeli's from the face of the earth.
Unfortunately Islam does not tolerate the existence of Israel.
The only way I can see things working is a third party with enough firepower to rain hell on them both, keeping them apart at arms length.
yup the problem with that though is whoever takes it on will just become the next target for the nut-jobs.Unfortunately Islam does not tolerate the existence of Israel.
The only way I can see things working is a third party with enough firepower to rain hell on them both, keeping them apart at arms length.
skyrover said:
Unfortunately Islam does not tolerate the existence of Israel.
Slight correction: Islam as it has been hijacked by some, does not tolerate the existence of Israel. If all those who identify as Muslim felt that way, Israel would most likely no longer existThe Palestinians might not recognise the right of Israel to exist let alone tolerate it, but I'm not sure deep down that has a huge amount to do with religion.
Let's face it, most of the surrounding states, effectively all of which are Muslim, with just a couple of notable exceptions who do help fund the Palestinian cause, don't seem particularly supportive of their Palestinian Muslim brothers & sisters who at times seem to be treated even worse by the likes of Lebanon & Jordan than they do by Israel
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