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irocfan said:
well on the subject of Israel.... has Netanyahu lost the plot?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/21/benjami...
That is just shameless.http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/21/benjami...
To lie about the Holocaust purely to stoke hatred against the Palestinians is just about the lowest thing anyone could do, let alone the Prime Minister of Israel. The man is an utter
.BlackLabel said:
irocfan said:
well on the subject of Israel.... has Netanyahu lost the plot?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/21/benjami...
Wow!http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/21/benjami...
One would expect such a comment from a David Duke or David Irving.
He certainly had Hitler's ear at the time, and was pushing hard to prevent the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national home.
Scuffers said:
No Bend said:
Simon, your lack of logic in this or blatant one sidedness towards this subject is appalling. It's disturbing to think there's people who thijnk this way on the planet still.
logic?Your going to have to explain what logic has to do with this?
A murder or a 'liquidation' takes place and the relatives of the killed person then take revenge. It goes on and on, yet you do not see that there are groups of murderous individuals or groups on both sides. Hence your apparent lack of logic.
It hasn't always been that way over there, when the christians were on a murderous rampage over there killing the jews, it was the muslims that hid the jews and saved them.
There's a couple of positions available in your local parish council, how about you have another go and put yourself up again? Might give you better things to do with your time than spout such utter garbage here.
Scuffers said:
BlackLabel said:
irocfan said:
well on the subject of Israel.... has Netanyahu lost the plot?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/21/benjami...
Wow!http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/10/21/benjami...
One would expect such a comment from a David Duke or David Irving.
He certainly had Hitler's ear at the time, and was pushing hard to prevent the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish national home.
No Bend said:
Elements on both sides seek the destruction of the other. When one of these filthy animals gets the opportunity to kill the opposing group they do it. Unfortunately the victims selected by the filthy animals are often not the ones who seek to destroy the opposing group.
A murder or a 'liquidation' takes place and the relatives of the killed person then take revenge. It goes on and on, yet you do not see that there are groups of murderous individuals or groups on both sides. Hence your apparent lack of logic.
It hasn't always been that way over there, when the christians were on a murderous rampage over there killing the jews, it was the muslims that hid the jews and saved them.
are you for real?A murder or a 'liquidation' takes place and the relatives of the killed person then take revenge. It goes on and on, yet you do not see that there are groups of murderous individuals or groups on both sides. Hence your apparent lack of logic.
It hasn't always been that way over there, when the christians were on a murderous rampage over there killing the jews, it was the muslims that hid the jews and saved them.
whilst I am sure there are probably a few unsavoury 'settlers' in Israel that might think like that, it's completely irrelevant, they are not the government, or terrorist organisation.
Unlike Hamas, who are the government and actively promote/carry out violent atrocities.
No Bend said:
What a delusional fool, trying to make hitler appear to be 'not such a bad guy'? Wow, what a low step to make. Yes of course, hitler would never have harmed a single jew, it was only at the insistence of some arab person that the holocaust took place. Nice one bibi.
Come again?where have I even intimated that hitler appear to be 'not such a bad guy'?
are you delusional?
All I was pointing out is that it's not unreasonable or beyond the possibility that various people who had his ear may well have put idea's in his head or at the very least, encouraged him to implement such idea's.
is that such a hard concept for your precious brain to comprehend?
And BTW, do me a favour and stop trying to make personal digs at me, it's not really relevant/constructive and just makes you out as some kind of stalker.
Scuffers said:
No Bend said:
Elements on both sides seek the destruction of the other. When one of these filthy animals gets the opportunity to kill the opposing group they do it. Unfortunately the victims selected by the filthy animals are often not the ones who seek to destroy the opposing group.
A murder or a 'liquidation' takes place and the relatives of the killed person then take revenge. It goes on and on, yet you do not see that there are groups of murderous individuals or groups on both sides. Hence your apparent lack of logic.
It hasn't always been that way over there, when the christians were on a murderous rampage over there killing the jews, it was the muslims that hid the jews and saved them.
are you for real?A murder or a 'liquidation' takes place and the relatives of the killed person then take revenge. It goes on and on, yet you do not see that there are groups of murderous individuals or groups on both sides. Hence your apparent lack of logic.
It hasn't always been that way over there, when the christians were on a murderous rampage over there killing the jews, it was the muslims that hid the jews and saved them.
whilst I am sure there are probably a few unsavoury 'settlers' in Israel that might think like that, it's completely irrelevant, they are not the government, or terrorist organisation.
Unlike Hamas, who are the government and actively promote/carry out violent atrocities.
No Bend said:
What a delusional fool, trying to make hitler appear to be 'not such a bad guy'? Wow, what a low step to make. Yes of course, hitler would never have harmed a single jew, it was only at the insistence of some arab person that the holocaust took place. Nice one bibi.
Come again?where have I even intimated that hitler appear to be 'not such a bad guy'?
are you delusional?
All I was pointing out is that it's not unreasonable or beyond the possibility that various people who had his ear may well have put idea's in his head or at the very least, encouraged him to implement such idea's.
is that such a hard concept for your precious brain to comprehend?
And BTW, do me a favour and stop trying to make personal digs at me, it's not really relevant/constructive and just makes you out as some kind of stalker.
But your other comments? No apologies for anything, you are a blind and bigoted twunt. You have said some really ignorant things and display a really bizarre attitude, do you get your knowledge of this conflict from Fox news?
The personal digs? You want to paint a target on yourself and announce how much of a d
head you may be? Well expect to have rotten tomatoes thrown at you. No Bend said:
The personal digs? You want to paint a target on yourself and announce how much of a dhead you may be? Well expect to have rotten tomatoes thrown at you.
Translation:head you may be? Well expect to have rotten tomatoes thrown at you. "You have an opinion I do not share therefore I have the right to personally insult you."
I do not necessarily agree with Scuffers but your cowardly justification is tiresome.
br d said:
No Bend said:
The personal digs? You want to paint a target on yourself and announce how much of a dhead you may be? Well expect to have rotten tomatoes thrown at you.
Translation:head you may be? Well expect to have rotten tomatoes thrown at you. "You have an opinion I do not share therefore I have the right to personally insult you."
I do not necessarily agree with Scuffers but your cowardly justification is tiresome.
Whatever, i'm finished with this rubbish. Continue on your path of ignorance.
its highly unlikely that the mufti did what netanyhu said and influenced the nazis.
He was however heavily involved ,set up a Muslim ss unit, wanted to have gas chambers in Palestine to help with the final solution ,etc , we have covered it in here before ,but a lot of people are ignorant about it.
He was however heavily involved ,set up a Muslim ss unit, wanted to have gas chambers in Palestine to help with the final solution ,etc , we have covered it in here before ,but a lot of people are ignorant about it.
AFAIK the 'final solution' came out of that conference at Wannsee, in 1942.
Hitler had decided on this action sometime in 1941 (but actual evidence of date & time etc is lacking).
In 1941 Hitler met with the Grand Mufti.
Putting the sketchy details together may not be 100% defendable. Given that 'Bibi' was addressing the Zionists then maybe he needs to work the crowd and throw them a few tasty or incendiary titbits to get them going. Who knows?
Can anyone fill in the gaps?
Hitler had decided on this action sometime in 1941 (but actual evidence of date & time etc is lacking).
In 1941 Hitler met with the Grand Mufti.
Putting the sketchy details together may not be 100% defendable. Given that 'Bibi' was addressing the Zionists then maybe he needs to work the crowd and throw them a few tasty or incendiary titbits to get them going. Who knows?
Can anyone fill in the gaps?
The Don of Croy said:
AFAIK the 'final solution' came out of that conference at Wannsee, in 1942.
Hitler had decided on this action sometime in 1941 (but actual evidence of date & time etc is lacking).
In 1941 Hitler met with the Grand Mufti.
Putting the sketchy details together may not be 100% defendable. Given that 'Bibi' was addressing the Zionists then maybe he needs to work the crowd and throw them a few tasty or incendiary titbits to get them going. Who knows?
Can anyone fill in the gaps?
nope,we know the mufti met with the nazis several times and was instrumental in setting up a muslim waffen ss unit,we also know he wanted to import gas chambers into palestine to help with the final solution.I think the reality is he was more influenced by the nazi ideas than they were by him.Hitler had decided on this action sometime in 1941 (but actual evidence of date & time etc is lacking).
In 1941 Hitler met with the Grand Mufti.
Putting the sketchy details together may not be 100% defendable. Given that 'Bibi' was addressing the Zionists then maybe he needs to work the crowd and throw them a few tasty or incendiary titbits to get them going. Who knows?
Can anyone fill in the gaps?
You never know with bibi,he may have just been an idiot in making those comments,or he may have been playing an angle.
franki68 said:
The Don of Croy said:
AFAIK the 'final solution' came out of that conference at Wannsee, in 1942.
Hitler had decided on this action sometime in 1941 (but actual evidence of date & time etc is lacking).
In 1941 Hitler met with the Grand Mufti.
Putting the sketchy details together may not be 100% defendable. Given that 'Bibi' was addressing the Zionists then maybe he needs to work the crowd and throw them a few tasty or incendiary titbits to get them going. Who knows?
Can anyone fill in the gaps?
nope,we know the mufti met with the nazis several times and was instrumental in setting up a muslim waffen ss unit,we also know he wanted to import gas chambers into palestine to help with the final solution.I think the reality is he was more influenced by the nazi ideas than they were by him.Hitler had decided on this action sometime in 1941 (but actual evidence of date & time etc is lacking).
In 1941 Hitler met with the Grand Mufti.
Putting the sketchy details together may not be 100% defendable. Given that 'Bibi' was addressing the Zionists then maybe he needs to work the crowd and throw them a few tasty or incendiary titbits to get them going. Who knows?
Can anyone fill in the gaps?
You never know with bibi,he may have just been an idiot in making those comments,or he may have been playing an angle.
However history suggests that the timing is, as has been made clear on here and elsewhere, very much not as Bibi describes and the most plausible explanation to me is simply is that it was the classic politician's mistake that we see the world over, of an incredibly poor and un necessary attempt at spin which has quite rightly backfired
The Israelis aren't happy.
The UN Security Council has passed a resolution condemning Israel's settlements in occupied Palestinian territories as having "no legal validity". The vote was only passed as the US refused to use its veto and instead abstained the vote, a reversal of its normal practice to protect Israel from UN action.
Israeli official accuses Obama, Kerry of ‘abandoning Israel’Using unprecedentedly bitter language, official says outgoing administration ‘secretly cooked-up’ extreme anti-Israel UN resolution with the Palestinians that would be ‘a tailwind for terror’
The UN Security Council has passed a resolution condemning Israel's settlements in occupied Palestinian territories as having "no legal validity". The vote was only passed as the US refused to use its veto and instead abstained the vote, a reversal of its normal practice to protect Israel from UN action.
Israeli official accuses Obama, Kerry of ‘abandoning Israel’Using unprecedentedly bitter language, official says outgoing administration ‘secretly cooked-up’ extreme anti-Israel UN resolution with the Palestinians that would be ‘a tailwind for terror’
BlackLabel said:
The Israelis aren't happy.
The UN Security Council has passed a resolution condemning Israel's settlements in occupied Palestinian territories as having "no legal validity". The vote was only passed as the US refused to use its veto and instead abstained the vote, a reversal of its normal practice to protect Israel from UN action.
Israeli official accuses Obama, Kerry of ‘abandoning Israel’Using unprecedentedly bitter language, official says outgoing administration ‘secretly cooked-up’ extreme anti-Israel UN resolution with the Palestinians that would be ‘a tailwind for terror’
The UN Security Council has passed a resolution condemning Israel's settlements in occupied Palestinian territories as having "no legal validity". The vote was only passed as the US refused to use its veto and instead abstained the vote, a reversal of its normal practice to protect Israel from UN action.
Israeli official accuses Obama, Kerry of ‘abandoning Israel’Using unprecedentedly bitter language, official says outgoing administration ‘secretly cooked-up’ extreme anti-Israel UN resolution with the Palestinians that would be ‘a tailwind for terror’
I feel that we are seeing a new dose of realism in politics, hence I started the "Backlash" thread yesterday.
Two examples today are;
Israel finding out that they cannot depend upon the support of the US if they take it for granted and don't listen to the moral objections of their friends,
China realising that the US will call their bluff on Taiwan because they have been taking their trade relationship for granted. Of course this could bite the US on the backside if the Chinese sell US bonds, but I suspect they won't. Sun Tzu's wise strategies don't work for volatile individuals like Trump, as they are starting to see...
Funkycoldribena said:
Leroy902 said:
Good. Israel seem to think they can go by their own rules, it's about time something is done.
They're quick to play the sympathy card when it suits them, but then think it's ok to behave the way they are.
Do you condemn Hamas?They're quick to play the sympathy card when it suits them, but then think it's ok to behave the way they are.
It is questions like that which have kept the Middle East in conflict for decades.
I titled my thread last night as Backlash, but I think Realism would have been more apt.
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