Israeli

[SR7492]

Nice to see Israeli police at its best and keeping up good human rights.

http://news.sky.com/story/1295705/us-profoundly-tr...

[Countdown]

This is nothing new.

The only difference (apart from it being filmed) is that it happened to a US citizen so it's going to be harder for the Israelis to brush it under the carpet.

[BlackLabel]

The situation is a complete mess. I used to have a lot of sympathy for Israel however their disproportionate response to the Hamas rockets (and the recent kidnapping and murder of those Israeli teenagers) and the continuation of the illegal settlements now make me think twice.

That said, I have no time whatsoever for Hamas or the PA.

I just feel sorry for those who live there and are treated as second class citizens in their own homeland as well as the communities who live in constant fear of the rockets and potential terrorist attacks.

How can this end?

[iphonedyou]

Countdown, I don't think he's suggesting it's anything new. Which is actually quite sad, really.

[ikarl]

Pretty sickening watching that.

[allnighter]

BlackLabel said:

The situation is a complete mess. I used to have a lot of sympathy for Israel however their disproportionate response to the Hamas rockets (and the recent kidnapping and murder of those Israeli teenagers) and the continuation of the illegal settlements now make me think twice.

That said, I have no time whatsoever for Hamas or the PA.

I just feel sorry for those who live there and are treated as second class citizens in their own homeland as well as the communities who live in constant fear of the rockets and potential terrorist attacks.

How can this end?

It won't end. You would have thought that each new generation will be more tolerant and leaning towards co-existence, but the system over there be it religious or political is set up to create division, injustice and hatred. Each side indoctrinates their children to hate and discriminate.
Israel is far from being "the only western democracy" in the middle east as some claim. The state was built on terror, and it will always sanction terror with a big Foxtrot Uniform Charlie Kilo You! to the rest of the world and what they think!

[james_tigerwoods]

I wonder if the Palestinians would ever consider the approach used at the start of Tom Clancy's "The Sum of All Fears" where they take a Gandhi type approach of peaceful protest which the Israelis couldn't handle.

That said the tit for tat approach is never going to end - the book had one of the terrorist groups get hold of a nuclear bomb.

Let's hope it doesn't get there.....

[skyrover]

Not excusing the actions of the Israeli police at all, but lets look at this in context.

This youth was wearing a mask and throwing molotov cocktails and stones at them earlier, so is not the innocent party some might assume.

Police brutality/aggressiveness is found in every country worldwide. A quick trip to a Brazilian favela would open the OP's eye's a bit

[226bhp]

skyrover said:

Not excusing the actions of the Israeli police at all, but lets look at this in context.

This youth was wearing a mask and throwing molotov cocktails and stones at them earlier, so is not the innocent party some might assume.

Police brutality/aggressiveness is found in every country worldwide. A quick trip to a Brazilian favela would open the OP's eye's a bit

This^^ Coupled with the fact that a few officers had already been badly injured by them, oh and that the Jews have been singled out and murdered in vast amounts since the dawn of time. Is it any wonder they retaliate like this?

[league67]

skyrover said:

Not excusing the actions of the Israeli police at all, but lets look at this in context.

This youth was wearing a mask and throwing molotov cocktails and stones at them earlier, so is not the innocent party some might assume.

Police brutality/aggressiveness is found in every country worldwide.

A quick trip to a Brazilian favela would open the OP's eye's a bit

Every time someone starts the post with 'Not excusing...' you can bet your last penny that that is exactly what they'll try do. You are excusing actions of Israeli police by 'context'. You present Israeli police side of the story as a fact. Police brutality like that found in every country? Really?

Yes, lets pick some central African dictatorship next as a proof that police is brutal in 'every country' world wide. Your lack of objectivity on these threads is astounding.

But for simpletons it seems to be important to decide who are the good and bad guys. Once that choice is out of the way, everything that 'good guys' do can be easily justified.

That video is shocking and very disturbing to anyone normal.

As for people suggesting Ghandiesque approach. Both times and circumstances are completely different and I can't see that approach working. I have no idea what, if anything, would work.

[AW111]

skyrover said:

Not excusing the actions of the Israeli police at all, but lets look at this in context.

This youth was wearing a mask and throwing molotov cocktails and stones at them earlier, so is not the innocent party some might assume.

Police brutality/aggressiveness is found in every country worldwide. A quick trip to a Brazilian favela would open the OP's eye's a bit

Do you have any evidence for your molotov cocktail accusation? It wasn't in the story I read.

Incidentally, the boy's cousin was burned alive a day or two ago, presumably by Israeli fanatics, which may explain why he was protesting / throwing stones.

[TonyToniTone]

skyrover said:

Not excusing the actions of the Israeli police at all, but lets look at this in context.

This youth was wearing a mask and throwing molotov cocktails and stones at them earlier, so is not the innocent party some might assume.

Has that been confirmed?

[league67]

226bhp said:

This^^ Coupled with the fact that a few officers had already been badly injured by them, oh and that the Jews have been singled out and murdered in vast amounts since the dawn of time. Is it any wonder they retaliate like this?

By them? By whom? So the fact that large number of Jews were killed in the past is an excuse for beating someone like that? Yes, 16 year old has definitely some responsibility for holocaust. After all what was he doing there? If he wasn't there, he wouldn't be taught valuable lesson of how to behave.

[league67]

TonyToniTone said:

skyrover said:

Not excusing the actions of the Israeli police at all, but lets look at this in context.

This youth was wearing a mask and throwing molotov cocktails and stones at them earlier, so is not the innocent party some might assume.

Has that been confirmed?

Irrelevant. Have a quick glance at 'ukraine' thread. This is standard modus operandi by skyrover. He'll now provide you with the link to Israeli police website that'll confirm that if police didn't beat him to the pulp he'll probably activate at least two nuclear bombs.

[skyrover]

league67 said:

Every time someone starts the post with 'Not excusing...' you can bet your last penny that that is exactly what they'll try do. You are excusing actions of Israeli police by 'context'. You present Israeli police side of the story as a fact. Police brutality like that found in every country? Really?

Yes... even in our own

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Ian_Tomlins...

league67 said:

Yes, lets pick some central African dictatorship next as a proof that police is brutal in 'every country' world wide. Your lack of objectivity on these threads is astounding.

I don't often post in these threads because, as you have just demonstrated, people tend to slide towards the extreme end of each argument.
Just for the record, Brazil is no African dictatorship, but a fast growing "modern" democracy

league67 said:

But for simpletons it seems to be important to decide who are the good and bad guys. Once that choice is out of the way, everything that 'good guys' do can be easily justified.

Who's justifying anything? Just adding context.

league67 said:

That video is shocking and very disturbing to anyone normal.

What's with the personal attacks?

league67 said:

As for people suggesting Ghandiesque approach. Both times and circumstances are completely different and I can't see that approach working. I have no idea what, if anything, would work.

Taking a neutral stance would be a good start... something which people seem to have problems doing.

[Campo]

What the heck were his parents doing letting a 15 year old out on the streets while theres a riot going on?

They flew in from Florida to visit relatives for Ramadan and thought it perfectly acceptable to let their little darling out on the streets in the middle of all that. Boggles the mind.

The Israeli Police and Army are well known for not holding back, I think any reasonable parent would make sure their child was indoors until things calmed down a bit.

[RedTrident]

league67 said:

skyrover said:

Not excusing the actions of the Israeli police at all, but lets look at this in context.

This youth was wearing a mask and throwing molotov cocktails and stones at them earlier, so is not the innocent party some might assume.

Police brutality/aggressiveness is found in every country worldwide.

A quick trip to a Brazilian favela would open the OP's eye's a bit

Every time someone starts the post with 'Not excusing...' you can bet your last penny that that is exactly what they'll try do. You are excusing actions of Israeli police by 'context'. You present Israeli police side of the story as a fact. Police brutality like that found in every country? Really?

Yes, lets pick some central African dictatorship next as a proof that police is brutal in 'every country' world wide. Your lack of objectivity on these threads is astounding.

But for simpletons it seems to be important to decide who are the good and bad guys. Once that choice is out of the way, everything that 'good guys' do can be easily justified.

That video is shocking and very disturbing to anyone normal.

As for people suggesting Ghandiesque approach. Both times and circumstances are completely different and I can't see that approach working. I have no idea what, if anything, would work.

Amazing that people constantly have to pick sides and then feel they can justify anything. It was a savage beating by 2 police officers to a child. If he'd done something wrong then arrest him.

Every time we see something like this any moral high ground Israel has is lost. As for the passing off of hearsay as facts, disgraceful. I'd be ashamed of myself if it was me.

[skyrover]

RedTrident said:

Every time we see something like this any moral high ground Israel has is lost. As for the passing off of hearsay as facts, disgraceful. I'd be ashamed of myself if it was me.

There is no moral high ground, never has been... just victims on both sides

[GTIR]

I wonder how things would be if the USA was on the side of the Palestinian's.

I boycott any Israeli products and I love dates!

The majority of Palestinian rockets get intercepted by the Israeli defence force. Each time the Israelis retaliate with "targeted" missile strikes.

bds.




.

[skyrover]

GTIR said:

I wonder how things would be if the USA was on the side of the Palestinian's.

USA donated $457,400,000 in aid to the Palestinians in 2012... the only countries who received more aid per capita were Afghanistan, Israel and Jordan. Palestinians received nearly twice as much aid per head as Iraqi's.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreig...

GTIR said:

The majority of Palestinian rockets get intercepted by the Israeli defence force. Each time the Israelis retaliate with "targeted"
missile strikes.

Would you rather they were indiscriminate un-targeted missile strikes instead?